Pillars of Eternity Beta Discussion [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Zetor]

It obviously isn't Josh's fault, duh! Incompetent Obsidian engineers holding back THE SAW's genius and all that.

e: any ETA on the fix for autoattacking / party AI?

 

[Sensuki]

Actually doing the quests/talking to village people this time. I have a bit of an issue with the way quest details are listed. Spoilers in case anyone cares about these sidequests:

Spoiler

For the quest you get to find the Lord's daughter, you eventually find a note talking about a cult under the town/wilderness. This information get sorted under the Find the Lord's daughter quest, however there is nothing to suggest the cult and her disappearance are necessarily linked at that point. Bit of a spoiler for the later part I guess. Also, you can ask the Ogre about her whereabouts and that adds something about the towns tanner/dyer (? names like Trygil or something) having possibly lied to you, but it is possible to get to the ogre and question him without talking to that guy at all.

I also broke the Cat and Mouse quest: I agreed to get Nyfre out, went to the inn, asked her story and then killed her and her party. Then I went back to the hunters and chose the "She told me different" option and then the [attack them] option, this resulted in a quest failed as someone vital had been killed. However, if you do the same thing but choose the "I killer her" option, then say "you're just as bad" [attack them], that completes it and rewards you.

They did say they were doing two journal setups at some point right? One more like the IE games?

Have you reported that on the forums yet?

 

[Athelas]

Re: the attribute design, one solution would be limiting the overall number of attribute points you get to spend during chargen while increasing their impact.

 

[fanta]

Who forbids tweaking damage per individual weapon: a Might point makes +1 dmg for a dagger, but a +5 dmg for a sledgehammer (or whatever values make sense)?

That's how percentages WORK, bro. 10% of 20 is +2 while 10% of 50 is +5. Do you even math?

I was suggesting a function that is weaker than linear but stronger than constant. You do realise these are not the only two functions in existence bro?

 

[Duraframe300]

This thread is the most entertaining thing

All the meltdowns

 

[Rivmusique]

Have you reported that on the forums yet?

No, I am only posting here atm.

 

[msxyz]

After having played the beta, I think this game needs an "awesome" button because all those forced fights with trash mobs and random foes are all but fun and, short of having an entire party specilized in stealth, they're unavoidable. On top of that, the 'consolation' of receiving some XP or the occasional good loot is sorely missing.

Also, when you mage is better left in the rear equipped with a blunderbuss and he rarely uses his spells you know something about the mechanics doesn't feel quite right.

 

[Rivmusique]

The idea that fights that (you think) are unfun would be improved in any way by adding loot or xp is fucking insane.

 

[mastroego]

Ok so I've read a bit through the thread to see what this all is about.
One thing is for sure: I won't be staying awake waiting for this game.

In BG you got:
- small amount of XPs for killing lame monsters
- medium amount of XPs for killing dangerous monsters
- medium/big amount of XPs for completing quests or doing particular things
If it ain't broken....

Also, stats with little impact on the game?
I'm sorry, but why?
Even games like Diablo get the importance of meaningful stats.

 

[dukeofwhales]

Ok so I've read a bit through the thread to see what this all is about.
If it ain't broken....

It is broken because it means people taking non combat routes are not rewarded as highly as those who elect to kill everything in their way to get to the quest goal.

Whether or not this is a good fix is up for debate, I think it works fine, but people who love2grind or enjoy seeing "Your numbers went up" in the log after a tough fight (and I'll admit that I do miss that when playing the beta) would prefer a direct reward for killing shit.

 

[Duraframe300]

Something Awful is public again and Sawyer is back

We have discussed a few ideas for Health/Stamina. The major ones are:

* Call Stamina Endurance. This is a minor/feelsy one, but a lot of people still associate Stamina with something like "mana" or other power-based resources.
* Change the color of the Health bar as it depletes. It's green or blue (colorblind mode) when Health is in the top third, yellow in the middle third, and flashing red in the bottom third.
* Multiply all Health values by 4 (or 6 in the case of barbarians) and make all damage 1:1 for both Health and Stamina. Currently you take Health damage at 1/4 the rate (or 1/6 the rate, for barbs) as Stamina damage. The high Health values would seem non-D&Dish, but would make clear that whatever damage you take is directly done to both stats equally -- you just have a LOT more Health.
* When survival is effectively limited by Health, not Stamina (meaning the character will die/get maimed when Health drops before Stamina drops), the Stamina overlay will be visually limited/capped to make it clear that you are in the danger zone. Characters won't heal Stamina over that limit, the bottom of the red fill will have a suitably terminal-looking line at the edge, and the red fill itself will flash.

It's not counterproductive to do basic balance passes if things are grossly out of whack, but fine-tuning should wait until there are fewer functional bugs rolling around. E.g. I didn't really bother fine-tuning the wood beetle's poison DoT because DoTs were fundamentally screwed up.

 

[Athelas]

This thread is the most entertaining thing

All the meltdowns

It feels like there's more butthurt on the Obsidian forums.

 

[Infinitron]

Holy shit, this is the biggest Codex meltdown since the announcement of Obsidian's South Park game.

Nope, Wasteland 2 thread at its lowest point was still worse. Although that seemingly came from fewer people. More concentrated.

 

[roshan]

This thread is the most entertaining thing

It feels like there's more butthurt on the Obsidian forums.

Well considering that the Codex has turned into Sawyer's circle of gender challenged fanwhores....

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

We have discussed a few ideas for Health/Stamina. The major ones are:

* Call Stamina Endurance. This is a minor/feelsy one

"Is that all you've got to say Sawyer? Come on, admit it, you had a peek at the forums and saw the hot topics there."

"Well, I'm getting to colourblind mode if that's what you mean."

"No. And why have you got a herd of elephants in your room Sawyer?"

"No elephants here. None. Now get out of here, it's time for my muscle-wizard / arquebus playthrough. I love the smell of grognard tears in the morning. Of course if this game was truly my vision I'd add a cover mechanic..."

 

[Sensuki]

Rivmusique

Do you happen to have played the game since you broke the quest? If you haven't can you upload your Unity log file ?

 

[Sensuki]

I haven't posted on Something Awful in a few days, but I have definitely pissed someone off over there. They paid money to change my avatar and title to this:

Edit: it's the new no avatar avatar.

 

[MicoSelva]

I haven't posted on Something Awful in a few days, but I have definitely pissed someone off over there. They paid money to change my avatar and title to this:

The only person I can think of who is that immature is coffeetable, but I dunno.

Wait, you can pay money to change other people's avatars/titles on SA?

I was obviously wrong about that place, it is AWESOME.

Spoiler

Yeah, no. I prefer to insult and be insulted on the Codex, at least I do not have to pay for it.

 

[Lyric Suite]

The game is shit? Lol what a surprise. Moar like Pillars of Eternal Butthurt amirite?

What the fuck were they thinking in making a combat oriented RPG? When did anybody even ask for that?

All i wanted was some story fag, IE engine throw back. The best thing Obsidian ever did was Mask of the Betrayer, and possibly Kotor 2 (haven't played it yet, just going by popular opinion). Where did they ever get the idea to revolutionize RPG combat mechanics (as if RPG combat mechanics were need to be revolutionized in the first place)?

What a train wreck. This just shows that developers can't be trusted with absolute freedom.

And i'm assuming bringing Tim Cain into this project was just shameless name plugging. I doubt he did anything except get out of the way of Sawyers's huge ego.

 

[Sensuki]

I was obviously wrong about that place, it is AWESOME.

I must be doing something right if I'm making that much of an impact

 

[bussinrounds]

Lyric Suite
Ahh..
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...menera-inxile-torment-successor-thread.79051/

 

[Sensuki]

The SA avatar is the new "no avatar" avatar.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

What a train wreck.

I wish I had a brain like yours, life would be a lot easier if I could rely on internet forums to make my judgements for me.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Lyric Suite
Ahh..
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...menera-inxile-torment-successor-thread.79051/

Don't trust inXile, sorry.

 

[Lyric Suite]

What a train wreck.

I wish I had a brain like yours, life would be a lot easier if I could rely on internet forums to make my judgements for me.

Cry more, buttfag.