Pillars of Eternity Beta Discussion [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[evdk]

i don't care really, because I'm a digital backer, but this is just PR bullshit. What this really means: we want to work on the game until the last minute, and since the physical disc has no Steam with automatic update, we will ship the discs late.

So, same as Divinity?

 

[Apexeon]

Yesterday while telling a friend of mine how PoE turned out, I ended up having this idea of how Obsidians should've made the kickstarter pitch video that would've been way better than theirs.

The camera fades in from back as we see Sawyer repairing a bike, he goes: "Hello everyone and welcome to Pillars of Eternity Kickstarter. I hated the shit out of Baldur's Gates because it had no balance and the mages were OP, and generally speaking all IE gamas had it wrong and I'm the genius that will fix all the problems that made BG a shitty game. So I'm really well suited to make an IE spiritual successor game, guys, let's do this..!"

Anthony Davis enters the room: "Hey backers, I never really liked Baldur's Gate cause it had some animation that confused me and the game rules were too difficult to understand, so yeah, that game sucked :D I'm really looking forward to working on Pillars, the spiritual successor to IE games!"

Then we get a whole Obsidian office shot from the ceiling and there are guys yelling "HELLO KICKSTARTER :D WE NEVER PLAYED ANY OF THE IE GAMES, OR ANY PRE-2008 GAMES, SO WE CAN REALLY MAKE THIS HAPPEN, TRUST US *THUMBS UP*"

Then comes in Feargus: "Hello Kickstarter. We have a shitload of games in production, so we'll be pulling people from the Pillars team to other games where we'd be fined by the publisher if we didn't meet the deadlines, so POE will probably come out bugged as fuck, but yeah, that's how we manage things around here! We really appreciate all your support, backers!"

Tim Cain: "Nobody's listening to my ideas, they all go down the drain. I'll explore mature themes and I'll invent mechanics in my head, but they'll never make it into the game. Back us!"

Justin Bell: "Nobody liked BG2 music anyway, so I'll compose some low key melodies for you guys. This truly will be an IE successor!"

Yeah, I'd instant-back this project.

That's called honesty.

 

[Grotesque]

The world is filled with programmers making big bucks because they must repair the damage of the indian " programmers ". So if Obsidian wants to suicide, do that.

And yes, leaking the game in this current state on torrents would bring the nickname of Bugsidian on new heights.
Fewer copies sold, fewer revenues, I can kiss goodbye to an addon or PoE2, and Tim Cain will have to move shop once more and that would be tragic.

 

[Apexeon]

The world is filled with programmers making big bucks because they must repair the damage of the indian " programmers ". So if Obsidian wants to suicide, do that.

And yes, leaking the game in this current state on torrents would bring the nickname of Bugsidian on new heights.
Fewer copies sold, fewer revenues, I can kiss goodbye to an addon or PoE2, and Tim Cain will have to move shop once more and that would be tragic.

Is Tim into wine?

I hate outsourcing with a passion. You man up and do the work or you don't.
This is why POE feels like a assembly line product. I heard they outsourced 3D model making as well.

 

[Duraframe300]

The world is filled with programmers making big bucks because they must repair the damage of the indian " programmers ". So if Obsidian wants to suicide, do that.

And yes, leaking the game in this current state on torrents would bring the nickname of Bugsidian on new heights.
Fewer copies sold, fewer revenues, I can kiss goodbye to an addon or PoE2, and Tim Cain will have to move shop once more and that would be tragic.

Is Tim into wine?

I hate outsourcing with a passion. You man up and do the work or you don't.
This is why POE feels like a assembly line product. I heard they outsourced 3D model making as well.

POE only outsourced a few things. They're even doing the music internally.

How do you stand towards InXile on that matter. Because their current model is HEAVILY based on outsourcing. (My own critic regarding their development model

 

[Duraframe300]

Not at all. What we’re more concerned about is the non-final build being leaked before you, the backers, are able to play it. It’s an unfortunate part of our business; many games get leaked after they leave the developers hands.

If it’s leaked early, it hurts everyone, both in the short and long term. It hurts you, the backers, who have waited with immense patience for the game, and you should be the first folks to get to play it. It hurts those who play an incomplete version of the game

I love how they try to convince everyone that a leaked game version hurts YOU. Lol, I can take this hurt, give it to me.

i don't care really, because I'm a digital backer, but this is just PR bullshit. What this really means: we want to work on the game until the last minute, and since the physical disc has no Steam with automatic update, we will ship the discs late.

Yeah Anthony Davis Not cool. Sure, there will be people bitching if it gets leaked first. But thats about it. This just pisses people off.

Getting to work on release as long as possible however is something thats very much understandable and sympathetic. Just say that.

*We're doing whats best for you* in this case is at best patronizing.

Edit: Or just leave the "We're doing it for YOU* out of it. Because thats the main problem.

Point was used to sell the concept of DRM

 

[Apexeon]

The world is filled with programmers making big bucks because they must repair the damage of the indian " programmers ". So if Obsidian wants to suicide, do that.

And yes, leaking the game in this current state on torrents would bring the nickname of Bugsidian on new heights.
Fewer copies sold, fewer revenues, I can kiss goodbye to an addon or PoE2, and Tim Cain will have to move shop once more and that would be tragic.

Is Tim into wine?

I hate outsourcing with a passion. You man up and do the work or you don't.
This is why POE feels like a assembly line product. I heard they outsourced 3D model making as well.

POE only outsourced a few things. They're even doing the music internally.

How do you stand towards InXile on that matter. Because their current model is HEAVILY based on outsourcing. (My own critic regarding their development model

Don't like them as well. WL 2 was the biggest pile of shovelware of 2014.

My last round of backing for these two period.
I will be backing small projects like Underrail and teams that need backing.

 

[Infinitron]

lol at the people ITT still being surprised at the DRM-free disc thing after Wasteland 2 and Divinity already did it

POE only outsourced a few things. They're even doing the music internally.

How do you stand towards InXile on that matter. Because their current model is HEAVILY based on outsourcing. (My own critic regarding their development model

RPG Codex 2015: Unimportant shit like programming can be outsourced to the Third World, but please make sure our artists and writers are WHITE ARYANS

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

RPG Codex 2015: Unimportant shit like programming can be outsourced to the Third World, but please make sure our artists and writers are WHITE ARYANS

I thought there were some people in favour of outsourcing and others opposed, didn't notice anyone with this particular viewpoint tbh.

 

[Athelas]

Isn't Sawyer like 1/16th black?

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

Isn't Sawyer like 1/16th black?

Not sure tattoos count

 

[Infinitron]

Isn't Sawyer like 1/16th black?

http://archive.today/oobQm

I'm American. Most of my ancestors were German (Bavarian, Prussian, Austrian via Swabia and Hungary). They came to the United States in the mid-19th and early 20th centuries. One small branch of my mother's family was English. They (the Godfreys) came to Hampton (in present-day New Hampshire) in the early 17th century.

Might be 1/16th English.

 

[Apexeon]

lmao at the people ITT still being surprised at the DRM-free disc thing after Wasteland 2 and Divinity already did it

POE only outsourced a few things. They're even doing the music internally.

How do you stand towards InXile on that matter. Because their current model is HEAVILY based on outsourcing. (My own critic regarding their development model

RPG Codex 2015: Unimportant shit like programming can be outsourced to the Third World, but please make sure our artists and writers are WHITE ARYANS

Amen to that. Part of the decline.
I want to see USA citizens the first considered for the jobs (if your based in the USA etc).
When I found out they outsourced I had a melt down and hit the wine.

Games are a craft not a assembly line for Indians to cash in on.
I haven't looked but I think the IE games art was all done in house.
Art is all about the feel and that is some of the magic that makes PST and IWD1.
You can feel the artists passion behind the pixels.

 

[Duraframe300]

lmao at the people ITT still being surprised at the DRM-free disc thing after Wasteland 2 and Divinity already did it

POE only outsourced a few things. They're even doing the music internally.

How do you stand towards InXile on that matter. Because their current model is HEAVILY based on outsourcing. (My own critic regarding their development model

RPG Codex 2015: Unimportant shit like programming can be outsourced to the Third World, but please make sure our artists and writers are WHITE ARYANS

Amen to that. Part of the decline.
I want to see USA citizens the first considered for the jobs (if your based in the USA etc).
When I found out they outsourced I had a melt down and hit the wine.

Games are a craft not a assembly line for Indians to cash in on.
I haven't looked but I think the IE games art was all done in house.
Art is all about the feel and that is some of the magic that makes PST and IWD1.
You can feel the artists passion behind the pixels.

Ignoring everything wrong with this.

I'm not sure Obsidian outsourced anything out of country except for Publishing aspects to Paradox.

Edit: Also Guido Henkel worked on PS:T and was German

 

[Ellef]

The shit-posting is off the charts in the last few pages, especially this post.

 

[Arkeus]

I'm not really seeing the problem with sending the collector boxes first and the discs seconds except for people who don't have internet access, honestly.

 

[Renfri]

 

[Zed]

No words on Tim Cain's cook book?!

the almanac seems to contain a recipe for some cinnamon cookie or something.

 

[Roguey]

I bet PoE DRM-free disc is still going to arrive much, much sooner than D:OS's (which took 3-4 months) and Wasteland 2's (5 months and counting).

 

[accismus]

I'm not really seeing the problem with sending the collector boxes first and the discs seconds except for people who don't have internet access, honestly.

And for those who backed at 65-110 USD, depending on how enthusiastic they are about a t-shirt. I don't think anyone else should really have much a problem, yeah.

 

[tuluse]

To think that I bitched and moaned for nigh on a decade that game-aesthetics should have oriented themselves and improved on ToEE. Instead I had to suffer through ugly NWN(2), Daaoh and their ilk. The "explanation" always being that 3d was easier and cheaper to do... (Cause nobody in his right mind would claim that NWN actually looked better than ToEE.)

So somebody is lying to me. I don't care who. I've already contracted a Lithuanian Hitman to kill them all. God will keep his own and send the others to where they belong

Good 3D > good 2D > bad 3D > bad 2D.

Greater than denoting cost here.

It will be interesting to note how big PoE is compared to WL2.

Also, NWN2 was all about modding. If you want people to make maps it either has to be 3D or tiled 2D so people can just put stuff together like legos or puzzle pieces.

 

[Kem0sabe]

To think that I bitched and moaned for nigh on a decade that game-aesthetics should have oriented themselves and improved on ToEE. Instead I had to suffer through ugly NWN(2), Daaoh and their ilk. The "explanation" always being that 3d was easier and cheaper to do... (Cause nobody in his right mind would claim that NWN actually looked better than ToEE.)

So somebody is lying to me. I don't care who. I've already contracted a Lithuanian Hitman to kill them all. God will keep his own and send the others to where they belong

Good 3D > good 2D > bad 3D > bad 2D.

Greater than denoting cost here.

It will be interesting to note how big PoE is compared to WL2.

Also, NWN2 was all about modding. If you want people to make maps it either has to be 3D or tiled 2D so people can just put stuff together like legos or puzzle pieces.

For a good combination of modding potential and aesthetic, i think Shadowrun managed that perfectly.

 

[Ninjerk]

RPG Codex 2015: Unimportant shit like programming can be outsourced to the Third World, but please make sure our artists and writers are WHITE ARYANS

I thought there were some people in favour of outsourcing and others opposed, didn't notice anyone with this particular viewpoint tbh.

You didn't notice because you're not an Obsidian fanboy intentionally misrepresenting the positions of anyone who has reservations about PoE.

 

[Grunker]

Good 3D > good 2D > bad 3D > bad 2D.

That's like saying oil paintings > murals or somesuch. It's a simple question of style. There's no inherent superiority here.

In practice though, I haven't seen 3D RPGs with the same aesthetic quality as 2D RPGs. I'm sure someone will make one sometime.

 

[tuluse]

That's like saying oil paintings > murals or somesuch. It's a simple question of style. There's no inherent superiority here.

In practice though, I haven't seen 3D RPGs with the same aesthetic quality as 2D RPGs. I'm sure someone will make one sometime.

Try reading my second sentence