Eternity Pillars of Eternity + The White March Expansion Thread

[Mexi]

If there's no printing press why are there so many copies of the same book?

JS: That's a good point. There really should not be that many books in the world. We put them in there just because we like having books all over the place. But you're right, it's not realistic; it would take a very long time to make all those books.

So they were so preoccupied with dumping their lore on the player that they forgot that those lore books contradicted their lore on the printing press not existing?

Talk about missing the forest for the trees.

I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but this is another thing that the Infinity Engine games handled much better. Planescape: Torment, for all its walls of text, doesn't have a single lore book in the entire game. And while Baldur's Gate had tons of them (and was the obvious inspiration for PoE's lore books), by the sequel Bioware seemed to have learned their lesson and left them out almost entirely.

Can't even get being an edgy phaggot right.

 

[Prime Junta]

I don't even see the point of not having the printing press.

 

[Sizzle]

I don't even see the point of not having the printing press.

It seems like something they came up with in the early stages of world-building that was supposed to be important to the game, they realized it didn't make sense - you can't have loads of BG-style books laying around everywhere and still claim that books are really rare because of the lack of printing presses - and so they phased it out.

 

[Cross]

I don't even see the point of not having the printing press.

It would make sense for the Leaden Key to want to prevent its widespread use, to keep people from becoming enlightened and deducing the true nature of the gods. Of course, that's not what they went with at all, so it's another weird narrative choice.

I remember a ton of books in BG2.

Weird. I must not have bothered with them after finding most of the lore books in BG1 boring, because while I still remember BG1 having lots of lore books, I don't remember there being many in BG2.

Still, that doesn't change my point. The printing press did exist in the Forgotten Realms at the time of the Baldur's Gate games. By contrast, there were dozens of Kickstarter updates and interviews with Sawyer where he talked about the notable absence of the printing press in the Pillars setting. To then turn around and stuff mass-produced books in every nook and cranny of the game world is bizarre, to say the least. It suggests that Sawyer considers his own world building to be an afterthought.

 

[Comte]

I don't even see the point of not having the printing press.

It seems like something they came up with in the early stages of world-building that was supposed to be important to the game, they realized it didn't make sense - you can't have loads of BG-style books laying around everywhere and still claim that books are really rare because of the lack of printing presses - and so they phased it out.

I believe the entire printing press thing is due to this game being heavily influenced by Darklands.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Any world where the gaming press doesn't exist is good enough with or without printing or gods.

This is the true Leaden Key Hand Occult, whatever, agenda.

 

[Prime Junta]

It's not the Leaden Key you peons, it's the Hand Occult, get your secret societies straight

 

[JarlFrank]

No you got it all wrong, it's the "I had a shitty teacher back in elementary school and hate reading so I want to prevent other people from having to read by preventing the printing press from spreading" Cult, led by some crazy old guy with an interesting motivation behind his actions.

You can convince him to allow the printing press to be developed by giving him a book that's not shit.

 

[CptMace]

Watching a dude Obsidian partenered with to promote deadfire in a few weeks. He's playing the first game. There's some level right there.

 

[Starwars]

Why would you watch shit like this? Seriously.

 

[CptMace]

Lack of self esteem ? Desire to make pennance ?
Who knows.

I clicked a link on my twitter feed. I always do.

 

[Sannom]

When it was first revealed the sequel was going to take place in the Deadfire, I was almost sure they were going to bring her back as a companion.

It would have made perfect sense, her being a pirate and Aumauan. Luckily, they didn't go the obvious way there :D

Doesn't she go back to Rautai and settle down in one of her endings?

It wasn't the leaden key.. it was a different group, the Hand Occult, that I can't really remember seeing in the game:

Aren't they Wael followers?

 

[Quillon]

When it was first revealed the sequel was going to take place in the Deadfire, I was almost sure they were going to bring her back as a companion.

It would have made perfect sense, her being a pirate and Aumauan. Luckily, they didn't go the obvious way there :D

Doesn't she go back to Rautai and settle down in one of her endings?

Wouldn't have mattered. Eder also goes back to Aedyr in one of his endings.

 

[Lacrymas]

Desire to make pennance ?

Carlo Gesualdo, a relatively famous Renaissance composer and nobleman, sought penance by having his servants beat him every day because he killed his wife when he saw her cheating on him. If they are seeking penance, it's pretty weak sauce compared that.

 

[santino27]

Lack of self esteem ? Desire to make pennance ?
Who knows.

I clicked a link on my twitter feed. I always do.

I need to start sending tweets to your feed. The possibilities seem endless.

 

[CptMace]

You monster.

 

[Mexi]

The White March is a bitch. I'm level 9 (PotD), and the Gleaming Society is fucking kicking my ass. There are just too many of them. Confusion isn't as powerful as it used to be. The enemies that turn green just sit there instead of attacking now. Creating chokepoints, but their fucking monks are just so damn fast. They pass right through, giving two fucks about taking disengage damage, and run straight to Aloth and Durance. I've been having Durance throw all these buffs up, but this shit is ridiculous.

Just killed the motherfucker. Picked the bridge as a chokepoint instead of the castle/watchtower thing. Was still difficult. These motherfuckers were running around with exceptional armor.

 

[fobia]

Question for our PotD connaisseurs.

I just started a playthrough on PotD with a Wizard as MC and the story companions.
While playing around at character creation I noticed that my Pale Elf Wizard can have 20 PER and 18 INT, while leaving everyhting else at 10.
If I want to play him primarily as a controller and secondarily use Kalakoth's Minor Blights +Deleterious Alacrity (+ maybe Dangerous Implement) for some damage, will that work?
Or won't I get through enemy damage reduction after early levels?
Does it even make sense to take the spells and blast talents with suchs stats on PotD, or should I focus only on controlling without high MIG?
So far I only played the tutorial and of course damage with the wand was abysmal, but I hit and critted a lot with Concelhaut's Parasitic Staff.

I'm not asking whether this is optimal, I know it isn't. Just whether it's doable, or whether I'll be stuck because of DR.

 

[Prime Junta]

Very doable. If you have someone else focused on DD it’s even close to optimal.

 

[Alpan]

You'll be fine, but leaving everything else at 10 is a bit of a waste. You recognize the importance of Perception and Intellect for making your spells and attacks count, so for consistency I would suggest dumping Resolve and adding the points to Dexterity for even more offensive power. Arcane Veil (and Hardened Veil, if you'd like) will let you get all the Deflection you need for the fights that actually matter.

I finished the game, the expansion and all the side content on PotD as a Wizard. My base Might was 10.

 

[you know what time it is]

So is white march worth the time? Got a craving for some IE combat, so it's either that or heavily modded BGT

 

[AwesomeButton]

Yes it is. Bonus points if you play on Hard or PotD with 5 party members.

More details, condensed, in my metacritic reviews: http://www.metacritic.com/user/AwesomeButton01

 

[Grunker]

So is white march worth the time? Got a craving for some IE combat, so it's either that or heavily modded BGT

It’s fantastic. PotD og bust

 

[you know what time it is]

Lost my saves over the years, is there any way to get to WM without going through OC first?

 

[Parabalus]

Lost my saves over the years, is there any way to get to WM without going through OC first?

No, but it's like 1.5 hours if you beeline for Caed Nua and go to WM at lvl 4.