Eternity Pillars of Eternity + The White March Expansion Thread

[Rivmusique]

16:38 Best crowdfunded game.

 

[Infinitron]

Winner of PC Gamer's "Spirit of the PC Award": http://www.pcgamer.com/spirit-of-the-pc-award-2015-pillars-of-eternity/

 

[ArchAngel]

Winner of PC Gamer's "Spirit of the PC Award": http://www.pcgamer.com/spirit-of-the-pc-award-2015-pillars-of-eternity/

Tom Senior: Pillars could so easily have been a nostalgia trip that simply copied the Infinity Engine games of old. Instead, it improves them. Combat breaks away from the conventions of Dungeons & Dragons, allowing for clever new class concepts like the Cipher, who can manipulate the souls of enemies. It’s smartly written, too, using little text adventure skits to add flavour and detail that the elevated camera would otherwise be unable to show. Kickstarter backers are immortalised as NPCs, and each has a short story that you can read using your character’s rare psychic powers. It’s a fun reward for those loyal enough to fund the project, but it also makes the world feel rich and full of character.

Kickstarter backers are immortalised as NPCs, and each has a short story that you can read using your character’s rare psychic powers. It’s a fun reward for those loyal enough to fund the project, but it also makes the world feel rich and full of character

What is that guy drinking at his Christmas party? It must be some strong shit.

 

[Roguey]

Bait:

With beautifully descriptive writing and brilliantly fun, tactical combat, this is one of the best PC role-players in years.

Pillars could so easily have been a nostalgia trip that simply copied the Infinity Engine games of old. Instead, it improves them.

 

[Drudkh]

pcgamer.com's game of 2015 is Metal Gear Solid V... a console franchise. We needn't even get into them giving a higher score to DA 2 than both shadowrun games and i think PoE to boot. So yeah....

Let's stay optimistic tho folks, TWM II... it could change everything.

 

[Bonerbill]

pcgamer.com's game of 2015 is Metal Gear Solid V... a console franchise. W.

1.Metal Gear series started as a game on computers. (oh, and by the way. PC ≠ Windows)
2.Most of the modern metal gear games came out on the PC
3.Why the heck does it matter? The game came out for PC

 

[prodigydancer]

We needn't even get into them giving a higher score to DA 2

DA bashing is so 2011. The Codex will of course never accept it but DA2 was mostly a good game. Nowhere near perfect but perfectly serviceable. Comparing it with PoE or Dragonfall is silly because they're not of the same genre. It's like comparing Diablo with PS:T.

 

[Abu Antar]

DA2 was shit and there is no way around it. I did like Origins.

 

[Martius]

Well, we can always compare it to action game sinces its supposed to be action rpg but that really wont help.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

pcgamer.com's game of 2015 is Metal Gear Solid V... a console franchise. W.

1.Metal Gear series started as a game on computers. (oh, and by the way. PC ≠ Windows)
2.Most of the modern metal gear games came out on the PC
3.Why the heck does it matter? The game came out for PC

Why do you lie?

 

[prodigydancer]

Well, we can always compare it to action game sinces its supposed to be action rpg but that really wont help.

Yes it will because it was a decent ARPG. Rushed, yes, which negatively affected act 3. Still 2 solid acts out of 3 is better than most ARPGs.

Bioware's mistake was calling it Dragon Age 2 (implying a direct sequel to DA:O) and this little mishap cost them dearly because people tried to play DA2 as a CRPG and judged it accordingly. Another problem was that difficulties below Nighmare were rubbish. But on NM the combat system really worked but everything finally clicked into place: you had to plan ahead, you had to manage your c/ds and you had to use cross-class combos.

P.S. I have zero illusions about DA2 story/writing/quests but I'm a firm believer in credit where credit is due. As for a bad ARPG with no redeeming qualities grossly overrated by critics - that would be DA:I. DA2 however simply happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, nothing more.

 

[Roguey]

pcgamer.com's game of 2015 is Metal Gear Solid V... a console franchise. W.

1.Metal Gear series started as a game on computers. (oh, and by the way. PC ≠ Windows)
2.Most of the modern metal gear games came out on the PC
3.Why the heck does it matter? The game came out for PC

Why do you lie?

MGS, MGS2, MGRR, and MGS5 have PC ports. 3, 4, and Peace Walker do not. That's most.

 

[Infinitron]

DA bashing is so 2011. The Codex will of course never accept it but DA2 was mostly a good game. Nowhere near perfect but perfectly serviceable.

 

[prodigydancer]

Yeah, yeah. It was shit because everyone says so. /sigh You know this discussion would be way more fun if my opponents had something substantial to say. (BTW, that why the whole "recycled environments" thing was blown out of proportion so much 4 years ago. In truth DA2 development team didn't invent copy-pasting interiors and BioWare in particular had been doing it for years. Not all interiors in BG were unique and in NWN, a tile-based game, nothing was unique. But if you remove "recycled environments" from the picture, you have to say "DA2 was shit simply because I didn't like it." Which is OK but not very convincing.)

Still I'm going to follow your advice because, like I said, I don't expect people here to agree with me on the matter.

 

[Abu Antar]

Yeah, yeah. It was shit because everyone says so. /sigh You know this discussion would be way more fun if my opponents had something substantial to say. (BTW, that why the whole "recycled environments" thing was blown out of proportion so much 4 years ago. In truth DA2 development team didn't invent copy-pasting interiors and BioWare in particular had been doing it for years. Not all interiors in BG were unique and in NWN, a tile-based game, nothing was unique. But if you remove "recycled environments" from the picture, you have to say "DA2 was shit simply because I didn't like it." Which is OK but not very convincing.)

Still I'm going to follow your advice because, like I said, I don't expect people here to agree with me on the matter.

That disucssion was over several years ago?

 

[Roguey]

Yeah, yeah. It was shit because everyone says so. /sigh You know this discussion would be way more fun if my opponents had something substantial to say.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...re-release-thread.75304/page-122#post-2999068
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...re-release-thread.75304/page-249#post-3395886

I wouldn't call it bad, but it isn't good. Not an action game either.

 

[Drudkh]

A PC gaming focused website giving fucking Metal Gear Solid "game of the year" is disgraceful, simple as that. It's no surprise if you ever watch the youtube channel of the site and see how the guys running it talk about games.

It's like giving "Tales of Zestiria" best pc rpg of the year. Naturally though, with pcgamer.com giving stuff like Dragon age inquisition better review scores than wasteland 2 and the shadowrun reboot....

Yeah, yeah. It was shit because everyone says so. /sigh You know this discussion would be way more fun if my opponents had something substantial to say.

It's shit because they turned an rpg into dynasty warriors style hack and slash rubbish. Then, they follow it up with telling straight lies during the promo dev. interviews of Inquisition about how they were trying to appease old school fans, yet they actual doubled down on the DA 2 combat style and even made micromanaging your team more difficult. (i believe this was resolved with patches in the pc version) Why? of course they have to turn DA into a simple 3rd person action game for arrested development console shit birds.

We see a similar simplification strategy with Bethesda, and they've proven that to make an rpg successful, just turn it into a horrible first person shooter.

Of course, don't worry prodigydancer, you can take solace in the fact that the "opponents" have been thoroughly defeated, because sales numbers have shown that the public wants stuff like hack and slash baldur's gate and fps fallout.

 

[Fry]

A PC gaming focused website giving fucking Metal Gear Solid "game of the year" is disgraceful, simple as that. It's no surprise if you ever watch the youtube channel of the site and see how the guys running it talk about games.

PC Gamer is a "AAA"-focused publication, so they're obviously not going to put indie titles on their GotY list. Among the big PC releases Witcher 3 is the obvious choice to me, but MGS 5 isn't horrible when you consider the other options. Would you have been less angry if they picked Fallout 4 just because Fallout started on PC? FO4 is a complete piece of trash. MGS 5 is a better game in every possible way.

 

[Roguey]

MGS5 has better gameplay than Witcher 3. Going by http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/year/pc/filtered maybe you want fucking Undertale as the goty.

 

[Martius]

Yes it will because it was a decent ARPG. Rushed, yes, which negatively affected act 3. Still 2 solid acts out of 3 is better than most ARPGs.

I will disagree. In my opinion its not even bad arpg, its just not arpg. I am just not sure whats the problem here, people at Bioware which somehow got idea that they are making one or maybe pr people who thought that awesome button is great idea for commercials.

 

[prodigydancer]

awesome button

I have a truly astonishing revelation for you: pressing a button (or a key) is how you interact with most video games. Unbelievable, right?

 

[Martius]

I have a truly astonishing revelation for you: pressing a button (or a key) is how you interact with most video games. Unbelievable, right?

After playing something like Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden or Bayonetta I couldn't find even one awesome button in Dragon Age 2. Of course I am not expecting Bioware to gain Capcom or Platinum Games expertise in such short time. I just dont see a point in calling Dragon Age 2 arpg while its not really one, not even close.

 

[Drudkh]

MGS5 has better gameplay than Witcher 3. Going by http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/year/pc/filtered maybe you want fucking Undertale as the goty.

All joking aside though Roguey, a opinion on any game is by definition subjective, so these "game journalist" sites shouldn't be afraid to post whatever they want regardless of what games have been most popular that year; especially if they're getting clicks chiefly based on their supposed representation of the "pc gamer" perspective. It comes off as fraudulent. If you follow the reviews they post on their site you can see that they commonly praise triple a console ports and hype games, but don't really care for most pc-centric games. If anyone from this site thinks pcgamer represents the pc exclusive audience of gamers then they shouldn't be surprised that IE style games aren't being made anymore and are fucking fools.

I just dont see a point in calling Dragon Age 2 arpg while its not really one, not even close.

So, it doesn't offer the option of just going off spamming your attack and special attack moves while you completely ignore the other characters and not worry about dying because the companion ai healer has you back.

Alot of people here don't even see that dark souls is just a generic 3rd person action game (a slow and boring one to boot) with stat numbers to make simpletons think they're clever, so whatever.

 

[Roguey]

All joking aside though Roguey, a opinion on any game is by definition subjective, so these "game journalist" sites shouldn't be afraid to post whatever they want regardless of what games have been most popular that year; especially if they're getting clicks chiefly based on their supposed representation of the "pc gamer" perspective. It comes off as fraudulent. If you follow the reviews they post on their site you can see that they commonly praise triple a console ports and hype games, but don't really care for most pc-centric games. If anyone from this site thinks pcgamer represents the pc exclusive audience of gamers then they shouldn't be surprised that IE style games aren't being made anymore and are fucking fools.

They liked Pillars of Eternity. However, PoE isn't as well-made as The Phantom Pain.

 

[Joni Odin von Hassenstein]

P.S. I have zero illusions about DA2 story/writing/quests but I'm a firm believer in credit where credit is due. As for a bad ARPG with no redeeming qualities grossly overrated by critics - that would be DA:I. DA2 however simply happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, nothing more.

Well, we can pretty much agree on that one.
I was just really, really disappointed by DA 2; but DA: I, that shit I truly hate!

Spoiler

And DA:O still remains one of my favourite games ever to be honest. So the butthurt on my side was rough.