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Game News Publisher Exploiting An Obsidian Kickstarter
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It seems you're not paying attention. WE WANT EVEN MORE GAMES LIKE THOSE. That's the entire point of kickstarter.
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Yeah, we had quite enough of stuff like Arcanum, Fallout, PS:Torment, Morrowind... what we need now is the same thing, but with AAA graphics, 40Gb of textures and full voice acting! Now that is trully what we need, right?
All those pages and the guy is just a graphic/production whore..."I want to see Frank Horrigan on the Unreal Engine 4, voice by Christopher Lee in 7.1 audio!!!!1111"
We're just being realistic. There's no way any publisher is going to spend the money and manpower needed to give us a game as good as Arcanum but with three times as much content.
felipepepe
Wrong. 10 gb textures would be enough. And now imagine 30gb content.
Wrong. 10 gb textures would be enough. And now imagine 30gb content.
You know how long this would take? Or how many people and how much money? The costs for that much content are prohibitive.
You could get something with twice as much content as Arcanum, maybe. But even more than that? Forget it. It's not financially viable in any way. Adding shit with expansion packs and making sequels, yes. But a game that is 10 times as large as any normal game? Reapa pls.
You could get something with twice as much content as Arcanum, maybe. But even more than that? Forget it. It's not financially viable in any way. Adding shit with expansion packs and making sequels, yes. But a game that is 10 times as large as any normal game? Reapa pls.
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Another example: Square Enix have admitted that it's impossible for them to make a Final Fantasy 7 remake with modern graphical standards. It would simply be too expensive.
Yes, they can't even remake a 90's console JRPG, a genre that Western gamers laughed at for being railroaded and simplistic.
Yes, they can't even remake a 90's console JRPG, a genre that Western gamers laughed at for being railroaded and simplistic.
You know bro, we had a voting here some time ago to see if Fallout 1 or 2 is better. Fallout 1 won, it's defenders saying it's a shorter, focused experience that was perfectly executed and never gets tiring. Fallout 2 is already a bit to long, I never installed any extra-content mods because more stuff the last thing F2 needs.
Quality, not quantity. And don't say "quantity with quality", that doesn't work. Just go play an MMORPG, perhaps then you'll realize why there's a limit on how far you can make a game last before everything is just pointless filler...
Imagine countless spells, a whole bunch of magic schools, crafting of all types, being able to wear more than 2 rings on 10 fingers and a collar around your neck, and this is going to get even more shouts, being able to start at any location on any of the maps, for there would be more than one map, freedom of movement on the map and it could be achieved by tabled level scaling :O allowing trash monsters to be less good then bosses who will have more various abilities and then leveling like forever. All that in 3d so you could also levitate. Now i realize that might seem a bit like wow but not really, because wow has a static world with mindless quests and respawn. The world of the ideal game should change with progress and combat should be at least pauseble allowing strategy and various tactics. quests should be well written and vary between find it yourself and its right there. no fucking map markers aside those you write yourself.
The list is quite chaotic and nowhere near completion, but i think you get my point.
The list is quite chaotic and nowhere near completion, but i think you get my point.
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But if we actually convince the publishers that it's worth the effort and if we convince every single potential customer to not accept anything less, then we will finally be able to have nice things! WE JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE!
Yes, you want the same things as we do, only you want 10 times as much content in the game, which is never going to happen.
mmorpgs never give you the feeling of having achieved anything. they can't because then everyone else would right there in your game, and it would just spoil it. this is also related to respawning. once you've killed something it should be dead, and not respawn for the next guy.
felipepepe
and i have yet to see a mmorpg that has any real quality
felipepepe
and i have yet to see a mmorpg that has any real quality
Your dream game is level-scaled, 3D and RTwP... I think you don't belong here.
But that aside, I can do all that with mods in Skyrim, does it makes the game any good? No, it's a balancing hell with tons of redundant shit that I get bored of before even seeing half of it. There is no need for so much content!
Just look at Fallout: NV; at Steam only 53% of the players reached Lv 10, and only 22% reached Lv 30... On Skyrim only 20% ever reached lv 50... do you really think that making the game last until Lv 100 or 200 would benefit anyone?
But that aside, I can do all that with mods in Skyrim, does it makes the game any good? No, it's a balancing hell with tons of redundant shit that I get bored of before even seeing half of it. There is no need for so much content!
Just look at Fallout: NV; at Steam only 53% of the players reached Lv 10, and only 22% reached Lv 30... On Skyrim only 20% ever reached lv 50... do you really think that making the game last until Lv 100 or 200 would benefit anyone?
only if there were any quality in the quests. there is nothing to do in skyrim. you get overpowered by the time you reach lvl 10. also no mystery, nothing to discover and so on. also that fucking quest helper that shows you where to go. what do you feel after finding something you were not only told where ist is but also shown on the map? nothing. why? because you didn't do anything. why? because you didn't have to. what would you feel if someone told you to look for his ring somewhere out there and some day you find it? good. you would feel good. and if there were things involved like asking around, following leads, having to decide who was trustworthy and who wasn't? great. you would feel great.
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This conversation is becoming very Prosperian...
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"Hello, Bioware. I want to play a game.
"No, not Mass Effect 3. You haven't even finished that yet. No, no Dragon Age 2. Just shut up.
"For too long you've courted the decline. Cutting your products into thousand of DLC pieces. Removing choice for everything but romanceable partners.
"You have two choices: to survive you will need to cut yourselves on the razor-embedded bodies of the dead hopes of a thousand gamers; or just keep going down into the comfortable little room with limited oxygen.
"Live or die. Make your choice. Oh, er, well I see you've been sold out to EA already... in that case, uh, just leave which colour coffin you prefer me to package your body in."
and now to the hard to like parts:
1.level scaling: not good but not bad if it were implemented carefully. like I've said, tabled level scaling. and there is also a good way to do it and an easy way to do it. the good way would consist of some basic leveling of trash monsters which we all know are only there to give experience and detailed level scaling for each boss. of course that would be almost like scripting, but it would also allow the bosses to remain challenging even when you've reached level 100 and to make each boss fight different from the other. it would be like another player leveling on his own. this concept would make the map available from the start, and since you can't be overpowered from the start you wouldn't be able to kill every boss you encounter right away, so it wouldn't take the fun out of leveling and investing in a suited strategy which would help you later to manage to kill him.
2. morrowind was 3d and in my view it did not conflict with my fun playing it and it even allowed levitating which was a new way to find hidden things like some nice daedric armor parts.
3. RTwP yes: heroes of might and magic has shown that it can be quit tedious making each fight a stand alone game. then real time would force you to plan your fights in advance when you don't even know your opponents - stupidest concept ever. and then there was baldur's gate which gave you the possibility to pause the game, look at your opponent, decide whether it's worth to use any tactics or just kill it in one blow - I see no problem with that. Saves a lot of time you would waste on reloading thus making you less nervous about when the game will finally end.
1.level scaling: not good but not bad if it were implemented carefully. like I've said, tabled level scaling. and there is also a good way to do it and an easy way to do it. the good way would consist of some basic leveling of trash monsters which we all know are only there to give experience and detailed level scaling for each boss. of course that would be almost like scripting, but it would also allow the bosses to remain challenging even when you've reached level 100 and to make each boss fight different from the other. it would be like another player leveling on his own. this concept would make the map available from the start, and since you can't be overpowered from the start you wouldn't be able to kill every boss you encounter right away, so it wouldn't take the fun out of leveling and investing in a suited strategy which would help you later to manage to kill him.
2. morrowind was 3d and in my view it did not conflict with my fun playing it and it even allowed levitating which was a new way to find hidden things like some nice daedric armor parts.
3. RTwP yes: heroes of might and magic has shown that it can be quit tedious making each fight a stand alone game. then real time would force you to plan your fights in advance when you don't even know your opponents - stupidest concept ever. and then there was baldur's gate which gave you the possibility to pause the game, look at your opponent, decide whether it's worth to use any tactics or just kill it in one blow - I see no problem with that. Saves a lot of time you would waste on reloading thus making you less nervous about when the game will finally end.
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