Game News Publisher Exploiting An Obsidian Kickstarter

[Infinitron]

Well, I'm afraid it's not going to get much better than that. Bioshock was released in 2007 and the AAA market has only gotten bigger and dumber since then.

 

[tuluse]

As i recall Bioshock was no more than just another linear shooter with no other functions then changing weapons and shooting. I see no layers there. Had you said Psiops, i might have agreed.

Well, it had hacking. It had interesting magical powers. It had some non-linear level design. It had logs with pseudo-intellectual Ayn Rand references and GRIMDARK drama. It had stores where you could equip yourself with tonics, which grant various bonuses, in a pseudo-RPG fashion.

Seems like you weren't looking closely enough. Dude, the game was basically a dumbed down mass market version of System Shock 2. I wonder what you think of System Shock 2.

Yeah, gameplay would have been solid except the enemies were so repetitive, so it's boring after about the first 1/3.

 

[Reapa]

Publishers have no interest in educating the masses on what a good game is. They want to reach as broad an audience as possible with as little cost as possible. Educating the audience about good games would be contrary to their goals.

Yes. Why would they want their buyers to demand more? Simple. Because if they don't do it someone else might. Educating the masses has always been a bad idea. But there aren't a lot of people who think the earth is flat any more (except in France where it's about half the population) so the people will evolve regardless (except in France). Might as well do something to speed it up and be the one who did it. Surely any evolution in ones own games and buyers would only harm the competition and secure long term business.

 

[tuluse]

Reapa, I have no idea what your position is anymore, but kickstarter is the greatest weapon we have against the decline.

Ideally, several of the games will be really awesome, and the studios will be able to go Valve and start self publishing games they self fund.

 

[Reapa]

Ideally, several of the games will be really awesome, and the studios will be able to go Valve and start self publishing games they self fund.

Ideally
Might as well procrastinate till it's done.

 

[Reapa]

Reapa, I have no idea what your position is anymore, but kickstarter is the greatest weapon we have against the decline.

Good. The first step is confusion. It's the thing that allows you to reconsider everything you experience.
Next step will be fear as you will realize you were wrong and shit is deeper than it seemed.
And finally the overcoming of your fear and hopefully doing more than procrastinating.

 

[Infinitron]

Reapa, I have no idea what your position is anymore, but kickstarter is the greatest weapon we have against the decline.

Good. The first step is confusion. It's the thing that allows you to reconsider everything you experience.
Next step will be fear as you will realize you were wrong and shit is deeper than it seemed.
And finally the overcoming of your fear and hopefully doing more than procrastinating.

Okay, what's your suggestion, genius? Kidnapping AAA developers and subjecting them to a brainwashing seminar? Mass propaganda on Youtube telling 20 million Call of Duty players that they need to buy smarter games now so you can have an AAA hardcore RPG, pretty please?

 

[Reapa]

Don't skip steps, infinitron.

 

[tuluse]

Ideally, several of the games will be really awesome, and the studios will be able to go Valve and start self publishing games they self fund.

Ideally
Might as well procrastinate till it's done.

Reapa, I have no idea what your position is anymore, but kickstarter is the greatest weapon we have against the decline.

Good. The first step is confusion. It's the thing that allows you to reconsider everything you experience.
Next step will be fear as you will realize you were wrong and shit is deeper than it seemed.
And finally the overcoming of your fear and hopefully doing more than procrastinating.

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

 

[Infinitron]

Don't skip steps, infinitron.

Come on, answer my question. What's your plan? You're telling us not to procastinate (which we aren't doing btw, we're giving money to Kickstarters, that's a proactive step). So what are you doing?

 

[Black]

Who showed this idiot the Codex anyway? Let us hope he won't find AoD forums, which are located on http://www.irontowerstudio.com/forum/

 

[Reapa]

It means doing something about the decline but not now, in the future because kickstarter emerged and we're out of purpose, since it will solve all our problems, ideally.

 

[Reapa]

I'm clearly teaching you step by step like small children that it might not be enough, or even the right way.

 

[Reapa]

Black? What are you afraid of?

 

[tuluse]

I'm clearly teaching you step by step like small children that it might not be enough, or even the right way.

You're right, it might not work at all.

However, here is the full list of alternative solutions you've provided:

 

[JarlFrank]

Who showed this idiot the Codex anyway?

I did. If you want him to stop arguing, you should offer to gamble with him. Any game of cards or dice... well, actually, any game at all would be okay for him. As long as he's busy winning at gambling, he won't have time to argue.

 

[Infinitron]

I'm clearly teaching you step by step like small children that it might not be enough, or even the right way.

No, my question is, what are you doing to incline the gaming industry? What are you doing to convince people to start thinking "Okay, party's over, we need to start playing smart games now. WE DEMAND ARCANUM 2 FROM ACTIVISON!!"

 

[grotsnik]

Okay, what's your suggestion, genius? Kidnapping AAA developers and subjecting them to a brainwashing seminar?

It's not a bad idea.

The Bioware writing team, to their horror, realise that the key that they had to forcibly remove from behind David Gaider's eyeball doesn't actually fit the door that they have to open in order to escape the basement before their bear-trap collars go off. Because, the masked villain sneers from the television screen, like they've always said, isn't it more important to create the illusion of choice than genuine consequences? Do they think that's such a brilliant design philosophy now? DO THEY?



The next victims are already arriving. They will come to understand the true nature of level-scaling when a boa constrictor is released into their cell; as they struggle more and more forcefully, it will choke them tighter and tighter.

...that may have came out darker than I originally intended.

 

[Reapa]

I have to start somewhere, I have to be sure that i want to change anything at all, I have to have a few fights about it with other people interested in the same thing, so why not start with the codex? And while at it, i just might drag some along with me. Infinitron
You forgot 2 things in your list - me arguing with you here and now. And you reaching the first step. tuluse

 

[Infinitron]

I have to start somewhere, I have to be sure that i want to change anything at all, I have to have a few fights about it with other people interested in the same thing, so why not start with the codex? And while at it, i just might drag some along with me. Infinitron
You forgot 2 things in your list - me arguing with you here and now. And you reaching the first step. tuluse

lol, this is starting to become creepy now. Do you mean to start a cult?

I suppose your fear is that if Kickstarter games become successful, the big publishers will have an excuse to finally completely stop developing RPGs. You think that's a nightmare. Most of us on the Codex, on the other hand, say...

GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE

 

[tuluse]

I have to start somewhere, I have to be sure that i want to change anything at all, I have to have a few fights about it with other people interested in the same thing, so why not start with the codex? And while at it, i just might drag some along with me. Infinitron
You forgot 2 things in your list - me arguing with you here and now. And you reaching the first step. tuluse

What the fuck are you talking about, you're not making any sense.

I want RPGs like they were in the 90s, or even better. No one is making them. Several companies have promised to make one, if they get money, I have done my part to give them money.

Holy shit, , you win, you're trolling the hell out of me.

 

[Black]

Who showed this idiot the Codex anyway?

I did. If you want him to stop arguing, you should offer to gamble with him. Any game of cards or dice... well, actually, any game at all would be okay for him. As long as he's busy winning at gambling, he won't have time to argue.

How about you show him gamefaqs, reddit or other such places?

 

[Reapa]

Infinitron,

A cult, a project, whatever.
Giving people what they want is not the way to go, since people tend to aim low.
You want another middlebudget rpg? What for? You've had quite enough of those. Just like all the people who are content with the AAA shit.

 

[JarlFrank]

You want another middlebudget rpg? What for? You've had quite enough of those.

Er. No. Arcanum was mid-budget. Morrowind was mid-budget. Planescape Torment was mid-budget. Pretty much all the games we know and love were mid-budget.

 

[felipepepe]

That is why the people have to "be evolved" from the outside. They might not have realized that the good parts of the game were not what they thought them to be, but give them enough games which aren't linear and them force them to walk a straight line and they will wake up.

Reapa is the übergamer; tired of seeing the lesser gamers enjoy thenselves with shitty games, he wishes to guide then to the promised land, imposing his own (and obviously superior) gaming concepts and preferences upon the blind masses, until all they can play are ubergames!

PLAY. ENJOY. UNITY. Reapa is watching you.