Vapourware Realms Beyond: Ashes of the Fallen - Chaos Chronicles reborn and dead again

[NJClaw]

Fourth time is a charm, huh?

In b4 "Chaos Realms is not going to be released because my artist went bankrupt, but expect kickstarter for Demon's Beyond in a few months".

"Demon's Beyond is not going to be released because my shills on the internet are lazy and didn't work hard enough, but expect kickstarter for Fallen Realms: Chronicles of the Ashes in a few months"

The possibilities are endless.

 

[The Wall]

Roguey if I understood, HobGoblin42 is your ex-lover. Considering he is in epicenter of this whole thing, what can you more tell us about him, bro?

 

[The Wall]

Looks like I need to repost

Tsk, expecting an update from HobGob.

It's not funding, it's donating money to people you don't really know for making a product you probably won't ever get. There are no guarantees for anything, they could take the money and make a big Obsidian hooker party without delivering any kind of product to you. You don't have any contract with them and they don't need to disclose their costs or expenses to you either.

Kickstarter is the PERFECT model for developer to receive money without any restrictions or liabilities to somebody. No publishers, no investors, only patrons who doesn't have any right on anything. And now the best part: the backer take 100% of the risk but 0% of the profits

OH MY...

Naughty, naughty goblin

 

[The Wall]

I'm expecting this to be a trainwreck, but my RPG options these days are extremely limited so whatever, I'm in it for a box. I'll still get to laugh at the people who think it'll turn out great.

Great Prophet Roguey! WOLOLOLO!

 

[mediocrepoet]

Looks like I need to repost

Tsk, expecting an update from HobGob.

It's not funding, it's donating money to people you don't really know for making a product you probably won't ever get. There are no guarantees for anything, they could take the money and make a big Obsidian hooker party without delivering any kind of product to you. You don't have any contract with them and they don't need to disclose their costs or expenses to you either.

Kickstarter is the PERFECT model for developer to receive money without any restrictions or liabilities to somebody. No publishers, no investors, only patrons who doesn't have any right on anything. And now the best part: the backer take 100% of the risk but 0% of the profits

OH MY...

Naughty, naughty goblin

Yeah, I remember this. I guess he really did tell everyone up front what his intentions were. What a cunt.

 

[The Wall]

Doing nothing for last 18 months was their strategy. They really must hate winning. Just. Continue. Development, bitches. What will happen? Air Strike?

Alternative: Release engine & tools to fans, while you keep doing nothing for next 18 months, fans may make something

 

[udm]

Well, at least Pierre delivered a game. This thread is just about how some assholes repeatedly scammed gullible people (like myself) with stories of "teh evul publisherz!"

The outcome never surprised me. They already threw JarlFrank under the bus for being a part of the All Niggers Must Hang community, showing some Management Excellence right there. What more could one expect of future developments?

 

[Tacgnol]

Looks like I need to repost

Tsk, expecting an update from HobGob.

It's not funding, it's donating money to people you don't really know for making a product you probably won't ever get. There are no guarantees for anything, they could take the money and make a big Obsidian hooker party without delivering any kind of product to you. You don't have any contract with them and they don't need to disclose their costs or expenses to you either.

Kickstarter is the PERFECT model for developer to receive money without any restrictions or liabilities to somebody. No publishers, no investors, only patrons who doesn't have any right on anything. And now the best part: the backer take 100% of the risk but 0% of the profits

OH MY...

Naughty, naughty goblin

Yeah, I remember this. I guess he really did tell everyone up front what his intentions were. What a cunt.

Probably says more about the people (myself included) that backed it than Hobgoblin in all honesty.

 

[Darth Canoli]

HobGoblin42 said: ↑
It's not funding, it's donating money to people you don't really know for making a product you probably won't ever get. There are no guarantees for anything, they could take the money and make a big Obsidian hooker party without delivering any kind of product to you. You don't have any contract with them and they don't need to disclose their costs or expenses to you either.

Kickstarter is the PERFECT model for developer to receive money without any restrictions or liabilities to somebody. No publishers, no investors, only patrons who doesn't have any right on anything. And now the best part: the backer take 100% of the risk but 0% of the profits

OH MY...

Naughty, naughty goblin

It's the first rule when playing a RPG, never give your gold to the goblins!

 

[Mortmal]

Now in all seriousness: how the fuck do you imagine developing cRPG in Germany?! High taxes, high salaries, high costs of living. Primadonna programmers. Financially impossibile

Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia - Cheap taxes, cheap salaries, cheap costs of living. Good programmers, accept vodka/rakija as payment

Money made on Kickstarter/Steam? Same

This is economics LVL:1
This is reason why there is no German ATOM/ATOM:Trudograd, Stoneshard, Encased, Vagrus: The Riven Realms, Starsector, Kingmaker, Underrail...

Not really cheap there either :

Yet one of the most acclaimed RPG in the codex by one of the most loved studio is being developped there. High wages, high cost of living, high everything...

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Now in all seriousness: how the fuck do you imagine developing cRPG in Germany?! High taxes, high salaries, high costs of living. Primadonna programmers. Financially impossibile

Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia - Cheap taxes, cheap salaries, cheap costs of living. Good programmers, accept vodka/rakija as payment

Money made on Kickstarter/Steam? Same

This is economics LVL:1
This is reason why there is no German ATOM/ATOM:Trudograd, Stoneshard, Encased, Vagrus: The Riven Realms, Starsector, Kingmaker, Underrail...

Not really cheap there either :

Yet one of the most acclaimed RPG in the codex by one of the most loved studio is being developped there. High wages, high cost of living, high everything...

Here's the answer spelled out to this difficult riddle then: dos is shit. "Critically acclaimed" = "a million flies can't be wrong".

This requires a more detailed explanation for why an RPG needs a story and writing to be a gaming experience. Another day.

 

[Mortmal]

Now in all seriousness: how the fuck do you imagine developing cRPG in Germany?! High taxes, high salaries, high costs of living. Primadonna programmers. Financially impossibile

Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia - Cheap taxes, cheap salaries, cheap costs of living. Good programmers, accept vodka/rakija as payment

Money made on Kickstarter/Steam? Same

This is economics LVL:1
This is reason why there is no German ATOM/ATOM:Trudograd, Stoneshard, Encased, Vagrus: The Riven Realms, Starsector, Kingmaker, Underrail...

Not really cheap there either :

Yet one of the most acclaimed RPG in the codex by one of the most loved studio is being developped there. High wages, high cost of living, high everything...

Here's the answer spelled out to this difficult riddle then: dos is shit. "Critically acclaimed" = "a million flies can't be wrong".

This requires a more detailed explanation for why an RPG needs a story and writing to be a gaming experience. Another day.

We will make a poll in 2026 , well polls , and i am pretty sure BG3 will be on top .

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

We will make a poll in 2026 , well polls , and i am pretty sure BG3 will be on top .

These guys? Who will literally eat any shit you put in their mouth?

 

[Iskramor]

Shut up about stoneshard its rng/grindfest waste of time.

 

[curds]

I finally got my combat beta key, but by this point I have already pirated it and started playing ToEE again, so it's redundant.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

WHERE THE FUCK IS THIS GAME

ITS BEEN LIKE 80 YEARS

I'M GOING TO DIE SOON AND NEVER PLAY IT

LOOK AT ALL THIS SHIT YET TO BE DONE

SHUT IT DOWN

 

[ERYFKRAD]

WHERE THE FUCK IS THIS GAME

It's dead Jim, you killed it.

 

[The Wall]

End of a bizzare circus shitshow
[TRANSLATION]It's dead, Bob

IMO: everything started going to shit when HobGoblin stopped posting here on Codex and surrounded himself with Discord trannies. Reddest redflag was firing of JarlFrank. My sources tell me he'll be making new game and Realms Beyond is not 100% but 1000% dead

 

[Aemar]

My sources tell me he'll be making new game

Good luck begging for dev money.

 

[The Wall]

Supposedly it won't even be in his engine for Realms Beyond nor isometric. Not even in RPG genre. Action-stealth first-person game. Something like Thief

Yes, there's joke writting itself

 

[Grunker]

Looks like I need to repost

Tsk, expecting an update from HobGob.

It's not funding, it's donating money to people you don't really know for making a product you probably won't ever get. There are no guarantees for anything, they could take the money and make a big Obsidian hooker party without delivering any kind of product to you. You don't have any contract with them and they don't need to disclose their costs or expenses to you either.

Kickstarter is the PERFECT model for developer to receive money without any restrictions or liabilities to somebody. No publishers, no investors, only patrons who doesn't have any right on anything. And now the best part: the backer take 100% of the risk but 0% of the profits

OH MY...

Naughty, naughty goblin

Yeah, I remember this. I guess he really did tell everyone up front what his intentions were. What a cunt.

Probably says more about the people (myself included) that backed it than Hobgoblin in all honesty.

Yeah I don't mind goblin as much as I'm surprised at the Codexers who trusted these guys after they failed twice, blaming everyone else both times.

 

[The Wall]

Yeah, even if both times HobGoblin's fantastical stories were true, it does say a lot how terrible leader he is or simply despised by Lady Luck

 

[Grunker]

think the more banal truth is that these guys are just horrible managers - something which was probably true for 99% of the developers we thought were just getting held back by shitty publishers, when we were young

still think our interview with bitcomposer was somewhat of a perspective turning point of the era for this site

 

[Roguey]

"Scale down and make the game you can with the budget you have."

"No! Never!"

 

[Tacgnol]

think the more banal truth is that these guys are just horrible managers - something which was probably true for 99% of the developers we thought were just getting held back by shitty publishers, when we were young

still think our interview with bitcomposer was somewhat of a perspective turning point of the era for this site

I've said it in the shoutbox a few times in the past, but a lot of projects people call "scams" are more likely just examples of colossal incompetence, mismanagement and feature creep.

I think that even mostly applies to famous "scam" projects like Star Citizen.

If they wanted to run a scam, there are far easier and more lucrative scams than continuing to work on vapourware endlessly.