Vapourware Realms Beyond: Ashes of the Fallen - Chaos Chronicles reborn and dead again

[The Wall]

Even if E V E R Y T H I N G HobGoblin said is truth and gospel, such retardation doesn't come out of nowhere from other guy. HobGoblin failed on every level as leader, manager and character judge. Why did you call transvestite hooker and got surprised when cock gets taken out?

WHY DID YOU GIVE UP YOUR POSITION OF CEO TO OTHER GUY 6 MONTHS PRIOR TO PROBLEMS STARTING? Official explanation given by Goblin was that: it was too much paperwork for him. Wew lad, that decjsion sure didn't lead to MORE DREADED PAPERWORK which could have been outsourced to someone else and decision making power kept

Either a retard, lying scumbag or both

 

[The Wall]

Oh, and btw that's HobGoblin's 3ED fiasco involving legal matters, disputs with teammates, all in all drama that concludes with him taking money and not giving anything in return. In all cases his main excuse was that publisher or someone else fooled him and IF ONLY he had decision making powers dream RPG would become reality. What he does as soom as he gets position of CEO? Gives it up because muh hward papew whork. I gwotta focus on programing. Good thing we got that game engine from him, right. Previous case of him swindling others was Demons' Age and the other one noone remembers anymore

How fucking retarded and gullible can goyim get? When I sleep, I close my eyes so I rest them from looking at retarded normie goyim like you all day

 

[The Wall]

I was VERY MUCH involved with this case. I know and knew things I won't publicly say I know, including Jarl Frank remaining as main writer after Crispy outing him and doxxing as nazi and HobGoblin lightingly fast "officially" firing him cause of few bad comments on RPG Watch during Kickstarter campaign. But that is now public knowledge so I can say it. Jarl asked me not to

And all that was back in like ~2017. As I said, I know this story very well. HobGoblin should get fucked by pack of angry Minotaurs

 

[almondblight]

Actually reminds me of how Barkley 2 failed. Guy at the top didn't care about the game anymore, but blocked others from doing anything. Most of the others (save one guy) were too cowardly to push him out, and were happy with just letting everything fall apart and letting the backers lose out. No sense of responsibility at all, except for the one guy from the original team who had told the others that the project wasn't a good idea in the first place and didn't join, but did try to salvage it later when the others ghosted it but was blocked by the owner.

 

[The Wall]

Actually reminds me of how Barkley 2 failed. Guy at the top didn't care about the game anymore, but blocked others from doing anything. Most of the others (save one guy) were too cowardly to push him out, and were happy with just letting everything fall apart and letting the backers lose out. No sense of responsibility at all, except for the one guy from the original team who had told the others that the project wasn't a good idea in the first place and didn't join, but did try to salvage it later when the others ghosted it but was blocked by the owner.

Exactly. Most people are cowards, followers and/or lack agency*. That's why it's so fucking important that guys leading the team are responsible, have vision and courage. Because minions sure lack all of that

*Nothing stops Realms Beyond under different name or Arcanum 2 under different name being made. All you need is Book about Programming in C (or good engine) and dedication and focus. You don't believe me? Believe Tyranicon who's got manual for Unreal engine and makes Bloodlines 2. In space. With cyberpunk hookers, mechs and werewolves

 

[The Wall]

BTW: What stops HobGoblin from making in engine which is 100% HIS PROPERTY game which will be Realms Beyond in all but name? What has been stopping him for past 4 years to work on that in his free time which hasn't stopped Zodiac Legion Dev or Call of Saregnar Devs? What stops except fact he's weak, lying, midwit urban German cuck

You think things are more complicated? Truth is always simple

 

[OracleX]

bruv, you need to move on...

 

[:Flash:]

Oh, and btw that's HobGoblin's 3ED fiasco involving legal matters, disputs with teammates, all in all drama that concludes with him taking money and not giving anything in return.

Which one was the first/second? I know of Chaos Chronicles / Coreplay and Realms Beyond / Ceres.

 

[Gandalf]

There was also this thing called Demons Age which got DMCA strike and steam removal, because it used assets from Chaos Chronicles. It was being developed by part of the Chaos Chtonicles team.

 

[:Flash:]

There was also this thing called Demons Age which got DMCA strike and steam removal, because it used assets from Chaos Chronicles. It was being developed by part of the Chaos Chtonicles team.

That was developed in Portugal, it had nothing to do with the Chaos Chronicles team - other than they managed to get the rights to the assets, and stopped the team from Portugal.

 

[Gandalf]

There was also this thing called Demons Age which got DMCA strike and steam removal, because it used assets from Chaos Chronicles. It was being developed by part of the Chaos Chtonicles team.

That was developed in Portugal, it had nothing to do with the Chaos Chronicles team - other than they managed to get the rights to the assets, and stopped the team from Portugal.

Oh sorry, then. I must have misunderstood this steam post made by the Demons Age guys:

 

[mediocrepoet]

Oh sorry, then. I must have misunderstood this steam post made by the Demons Age guys:

As far as I know, the main issue there was that Demons Age was using assets from Chaos Chronicles the publisher licensed to them trying to recoup some of the losses due to CC imploding. CC contested this saying that the assets didn't belong to the publisher to sell. Seems like that may have been true since Demons Age ceased to be a thing.

Not sure about the staffing issue though re: who went where.

It's more that how many times do you have a guy come up with some fucked up story about how all the money you gave him is now gone and there's nothing to show for it, before you figure that maybe you need to look more closely at the common element rather than all the other parties he tries to blame? Hobgobbo is either the most unlucky man alive, completely incompetent, a fucking conman, or some combination of those. Fuck that guy.

 

[:Flash:]

There was also this thing called Demons Age which got DMCA strike and steam removal, because it used assets from Chaos Chronicles. It was being developed by part of the Chaos Chtonicles team.

That was developed in Portugal, it had nothing to do with the Chaos Chronicles team - other than they managed to get the rights to the assets, and stopped the team from Portugal.

Oh sorry, then. I must have misunderstood this steam post made by the Demons Age guys:

That's like Brenda Romero claiming she worked on Realms of Arkania for her Kickstarter Campaign.
Bigmoon worked for the same publisher as Coreplay, and had done the Mac and Linux conversions of the previous game (Jagged Alliance - Back in Action).
In any case, they were a completely different studio, and I'm sure nobody moved from Germany to Portugal to work on Demon's Age and then back again to work on Realms Beyond.

 

[The Wall]

Oh, and btw that's HobGoblin's 3ED fiasco involving legal matters, disputs with teammates, all in all drama that concludes with him taking money and not giving anything in return.

Which one was the first/second? I know of Chaos Chronicles / Coreplay and Realms Beyond / Ceres.

Chaos Chronicles. Yes! I misremembered the name. There was one more. I'll look it up. Either way, guy deserves zero trust

 

[Galdred]

Oh, and btw that's HobGoblin's 3ED fiasco involving legal matters, disputs with teammates, all in all drama that concludes with him taking money and not giving anything in return. In all cases his main excuse was that publisher or someone else fooled him and IF ONLY he had decision making powers dream RPG would become reality. What he does as soom as he gets position of CEO? Gives it up because muh hward papew whork. I gwotta focus on programing. Good thing we got that game engine from him, right. Previous case of him swindling others was Demons' Age and the other one noone remembers anymore

How fucking retarded and gullible can goyim get? When I sleep, I close my eyes so I rest them from looking at retarded normie goyim like you all day

In the small software development company I used to work for before, founder guy also hated paperwork, so he elected someone else to the post of CEO, while remaining the main owner, with the ability to vote by himself for his replacement if needed.
I don't see any reason to give more shares than it is due to legal guy or idea guy just because of paperwork.
Now, if paper/idea guy also contributed a lot of funding, the line may be harder to draw, but giving a lot of shares for early funding is bad, because early funding is typically not that much (typically a few grands, which is a lot, but typically a ridiculous sum compared to getting the engine made), so you are giving a lot of equity for a sum that would be dwarfed by even the worst publishing deals/funding rounds.

In my case, I had a similar situation, and decided to take loans instead of giving shares.

 

[The Wall]

Here I think that it was case of two equal owners, each owning 50% of company and both having to agree to major decisions (further details are necessarry here). Goblin was CEO, drama guy aka other half owner wasn't. For the reason of "too much paperwork" (which was given as official reason, more likely reason was what you said - further funds promised by rich Dad if his little son gets to feel like CEO) HobGoblin gave up his CEO and decision making power to other guy who disappeared from the radar

Stupidity which only "smart" people commit and noone streetwise aka has low level practical knowledge about volatility of human nature would do

Game was never to be. HobGoblin's character is the reason. He didn't even do post-mortem explaining everything to backers and he ran away from Codex because muh culture wars/war in Ukraine aka different opinions to those deemed currently "rationale" by Deutsche Welle are allowed here

HobbGoblin. It was in the name

 

[rojay]

Oh, and btw that's HobGoblin's 3ED fiasco involving legal matters, disputs with teammates, all in all drama that concludes with him taking money and not giving anything in return. In all cases his main excuse was that publisher or someone else fooled him and IF ONLY he had decision making powers dream RPG would become reality. What he does as soom as he gets position of CEO? Gives it up because muh hward papew whork. I gwotta focus on programing. Good thing we got that game engine from him, right. Previous case of him swindling others was Demons' Age and the other one noone remembers anymore

How fucking retarded and gullible can goyim get? When I sleep, I close my eyes so I rest them from looking at retarded normie goyim like you all day

In the small software development company I used to work for before, founder guy also hated paperwork, so he elected someone else to the post of CEO, while remaining the main owner, with the ability to vote by himself for his replacement if needed.
I don't see any reason to give more shares than it is due to legal guy or idea guy just because of paperwork.
Now, if paper/idea guy also contributed a lot of funding, the line may be harder to draw, but giving a lot of shares for early funding is bad, because early funding is typically not that much (typically a few grands, which is a lot, but typically a ridiculous sum compared to getting the engine made), so you are giving a lot of equity for a sum that would be dwarfed by even the worst publishing deals/funding rounds.

In my case, I had a similar situation, and decided to take loans instead of giving shares.

The bottom line is that you never, ever agree to split ownership 50/50 in a business. Maybe you and the guy you start the business with are best pals when you come up with the idea; maybe a couple of years down the road you have an affair with his wife, or he joins a cult or something else comes up. Now you're fucked, whereas if one of you had 51%, you'd at least know where you stand.

 

[JarlFrank]

On the whole Demons Age thing, their game was basically just the alpha version of Chaos Chronicles turned halfway playable.
One of the years I went to Gamescom as a Codex reporter, me and my co-reporter (either Grunker or Bubbles, but I think it was Grunker) met the Demons Age devs and watched the presentation of their prototype, and I spotted city names from Chaos Chronicles in there.
I had worked on Chaos Chronicles so I knew what it looked like, and it seemed like they just wholesale took all the worldbuilding and maps from CC instead of creating their own content.

 

[mediocrepoet]

it seemed like they just wholesale took all the worldbuilding and maps from CC instead of creating their own content.

So if hobgobo wasn't such a loser, it could've been a game instead of a sack of assets. Crazy.

 

[rojay]

The game looked like it was going to be good. Sort of like a version of Ruins of Myth Drannor but with access to more classes, spells and feats etc. If the guys developing the game were such idiots, why can't someone else come up with a similar engine/game? It's a niche market, but it's still a market.

 

[JarlFrank]

it seemed like they just wholesale took all the worldbuilding and maps from CC instead of creating their own content.

So if hobgobo wasn't such a loser, it could've been a game instead of a sack of assets. Crazy.

No, the problem was that these guys didn't know how to work with the engine to make it their own. When Demons Age released into Early Access, Hob bought it to see what was plagiarized, and realized it was basically just our old prototype haphazardly assembled into something playable, but lacking a lot of basic features. You couldn't even create your own characters, only select from a list of pre-made ones, because they didn't know how to implement a character creation menu.

Demons Age had nothing at all going for it.

 

[Andnjord]

they didn't know how to implement a character creation menu.

Holy shit that is low.

 

[mediocrepoet]

they didn't know how to implement a character creation menu.

Holy shit that is low.

Someone played it and posted about it if you're curious.

 

[almondblight]

No, the problem was that these guys didn't know how to work with the engine to make it their own. When Demons Age released into Early Access, Hob bought it to see what was plagiarized, and realized it was basically just our old prototype haphazardly assembled into something playable, but lacking a lot of basic features. You couldn't even create your own characters, only select from a list of pre-made ones, because they didn't know how to implement a character creation menu.

Demons Age had nothing at all going for it.

I mean, it was actually released.

Maybe Hob should contact them and ask them to cobble together a game from his half-finished project again.

 

[Aemar]

because they didn't know how to implement a character creation menu.

The dev team in a nutshell. No wonder the game didn't get anywhere.