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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3gj90RoT_MUrnQSrfF23YA/videos :prosper:

Another weak nerd becomes a failure of a father.

Edit: it's worse than I thought https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=54740#more-54740

My name is Peter T. Parker. The T stands for Telemachus which I’ve pronounced wrong (Tel-ehm-ah-cuss) since I was a child. I don’t plan to stop now and that is, unfortunately, everyone else’s problem. I’ve been mentioned a few times here, but under a different name that doesn’t bear repeating. I’m the middle child, aka the youngest daughter turned oldest son.

What are the odds that two of your kids troon out?
 
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Edit: it's worse than I thought https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=54740#more-54740

My name is Peter T. Parker. The T stands for Telemachus which I’ve pronounced wrong (Tel-ehm-ah-cuss) since I was a child. I don’t plan to stop now and that is, unfortunately, everyone else’s problem. I’ve been mentioned a few times here, but under a different name that doesn’t bear repeating. I’m the middle child, aka the youngest daughter turned oldest son.

What are the odds that two of your kids troon out?

How common is it for troons to ditch their family name?

Turns out when they hand you the name change paperwork they don’t limit you to the first name. I could have added like six middle names if Bay hadn’t talked me out of it.
Bay(Myself, oldest child) They/Them, used to go by a different name, now does not.
Peter(Middle child) He/Him, used to go by a different name, now does not.
Issac(Youngest child) He/him, same name, unless you count we called him buddy until he was around four.
 

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That's terrifying. He was religious and his kids were homeschooled. This shit is everywhere.
The internet delivers propaganda right into your home.

No one connected escapes the brainwashing, especially isolated kids that just want to find friends.

And IIRC, Shamus was always a big lefty borderline SJW.
 

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Just found this thread today. I can't feel sad for someone I never met nor ever heard of, nor can I feel anything at all for his terrible children. I tend to believe all "internet personalities" are eventually exposed to near-lethal levels of the internet itself which in turn causes personality extremes, broken homes, and mental disorders. The surface level description of this chap seems like a very likable fellow.

Just reading his entire Autobiography which begins here. Its fascinating as I remember the time - but it's like reading about something you know very well explained back to you by someone who wasn't there. He was there, but ADD didn't exist: ADD was something that any father or authority would happily beat out of you. The horrors of being young were there for everyone, but oddly, I don't know too many folks who dragged the pain into their late 40's. That's a modern contrivance. I really did enjoy reading about him effectively pulling himself (and his family) out of a very dark spot by finding religion. Fascinating that his father also found faith and at the same time, redeemed himself as well.

I'd suggest anyone wanting to know this guy read about him, his brother and his mother finding religion and an honest assessment of what it was like and the "friends" they lost. He may not have expressed it, but he was a hero in the classical sense.
 

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I'd suggest anyone wanting to know this guy read about him, his brother and his mother finding religion and an honest assessment of what it was like and the "friends" they lost. He may not have expressed it, but he was a hero in the classical sense.
Fucking A
 

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I'm pretty confident from my experience with contemporary kids and young adults off of the internet is that a lot of the troon stuff has to do with the unhealthy and obese. People like "Lea" Thomas are the aberration and not the norm for troondom. It's generally more about how fat people try to put a positive spin on their condition than it really is about Judith Butler going mainstream.

The majority of troons, as opposed to internet-visible ones, are for the most part people who are really physically unhealthy. It seems like an identity for people who are unable or unwilling to be attractive. In the past they would just be ugly people. Now, they "come out" as trans, and most put in no real effort, don't get surgery, and especially if they are female, don't put in the kind of obsessive effort into becoming a facsimile of the other sex that the internet propaganda would lead you to believe about it. It's not uncommon for every fat girl in a college class to have pronouns even though they are just fat. Fatness is the overwhelming reality of modern American life that tends to not get that much attention because people don't like looking at pictures of fat people.

It's kind of like the university/corporate propaganda version of Hispanic diversity portraying most of them as Telenovela actors and actresses, but then the reality is some mixture of white people with Spanish last names, Sephardic Jews, and 4 foot tall mixed-race Oompa Loompas, with most of them being like the last item on the list. The average troon is also like that: just dumpy and unremarkable.

This also translates to mediocre intellects and creatives who use troondom to try to make up for a lack of talent: unable to stand out on normal terms, they continue to be mediocre, but color their hair or go on a short course of hormones and then pretend that it makes them more worthy of attention. Generally, it doesn't work, but for the people willing to pretend to this halfhearted identity, they might be able to check some diversity boxes for their employer.
 
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I'm pretty confident from my experience with contemporary kids and young adults off of the internet is that a lot of the troon stuff has to do with the unhealthy and obese. People like "Lea" Thomas are the aberration and not the norm for troondom. It's generally more about how fat people try to put a positive spin on their condition than it really is about Judith Butler going mainstream.

The majority of troons, as opposed to internet-visible ones, are for the most part people who are really physically unhealthy. It seems like an identity for people who are unable or unwilling to be attractive. In the past they would just be ugly people. Now, they "come out" as trans, and most put in no real effort, don't get surgery, and especially if they are female, don't put in the kind of obsessive effort into becoming a facsimile of the other sex that the internet propaganda would lead you to believe about it. It's not uncommon for every fat girl in a college class to have pronouns even though they are just fat. Fatness is the overwhelming reality of modern American life that tends to not get that much attention because people don't like looking at pictures of fat people.

It's kind of like the university/corporate propaganda version of Hispanic diversity portraying most of them as Telenovela actors and actresses, but then the reality is some mixture of white people with Spanish last names, Sephardic Jews, and 4 foot tall mixed-race Oompa Loompas, with most of them being like the last item on the list. The average troon is also like that: just dumpy and unremarkable.

This also translates to mediocre intellects and creatives who use troondom to try to make up for a lack of talent: unable to stand out on normal terms, they continue to be mediocre, but color their hair or go on a short course of hormones and then pretend that it makes them more worthy of attention. Generally, it doesn't work, but for the people willing to pretend to this halfhearted identity, they might be able to check some diversity boxes for their employer.
I think thats one aspect, another is the psychopathic push to inculcate children into this ideology. If you introduce them to this idea then when puberty hits and hormones go completely off the charts as the body tries to find equilibrium, the growing pains and sense of bodily integrity can be mistaken for this troon shit, so you get a whole lot of false positives to this mind rot. Hormonal imbalances and irregularities can be a part of poor diet, obesity and lack of exercise (see diabetes among others) and puberty is a time where the sexual characteristics are kicked into overdrive to develop into a functional adult human being. An entire generation lost to this madness, a bloody war would have been less destructive.

Hormone blockers retarding the growth is a terrifying aspect, lack of lung capacity, heart being too small for the body, brittle bones due to lack of nutrients being processed, a stunted diminished mutated and mutilated generation.
 

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I'm pretty confident from my experience with contemporary kids and young adults off of the internet is that a lot of the troon stuff has to do with the unhealthy and obese. People like "Lea" Thomas are the aberration and not the norm for troondom. It's generally more about how fat people try to put a positive spin on their condition than it really is about Judith Butler going mainstream.

The majority of troons, as opposed to internet-visible ones, are for the most part people who are really physically unhealthy. It seems like an identity for people who are unable or unwilling to be attractive. In the past they would just be ugly people. Now, they "come out" as trans, and most put in no real effort, don't get surgery, and especially if they are female, don't put in the kind of obsessive effort into becoming a facsimile of the other sex that the internet propaganda would lead you to believe about it. It's not uncommon for every fat girl in a college class to have pronouns even though they are just fat. Fatness is the overwhelming reality of modern American life that tends to not get that much attention because people don't like looking at pictures of fat people.

It's kind of like the university/corporate propaganda version of Hispanic diversity portraying most of them as Telenovela actors and actresses, but then the reality is some mixture of white people with Spanish last names, Sephardic Jews, and 4 foot tall mixed-race Oompa Loompas, with most of them being like the last item on the list. The average troon is also like that: just dumpy and unremarkable.

This also translates to mediocre intellects and creatives who use troondom to try to make up for a lack of talent: unable to stand out on normal terms, they continue to be mediocre, but color their hair or go on a short course of hormones and then pretend that it makes them more worthy of attention. Generally, it doesn't work, but for the people willing to pretend to this halfhearted identity, they might be able to check some diversity boxes for their employer.
I think thats one aspect, another is the psychopathic push to inculcate children into this ideology. If you introduce them to this idea then when puberty hits and hormones go completely off the charts as the body tries to find equilibrium, the growing pains and sense of bodily integrity can be mistaken for this troon shit, so you get a whole lot of false positives to this mind rot. Hormonal imbalances and irregularities can be a part of poor diet, obesity and lack of exercise (see diabetes among others) and puberty is a time where the sexual characteristics are kicked into overdrive to develop into a functional adult human being. An entire generation lost to this madness, a bloody war would have been less destructive.

Hormone blockers retarding the growth is a terrifying aspect, lack of lung capacity, heart being too small for the body, brittle bones due to lack of nutrients being processed, a stunted diminished mutated and mutilated generation.
No you're not wrong. When it comes to children still in latency, that's just the parents acting on the child. Pre-puberty kids are just extremely suggestible, and the notion that they can just come up with ideas like that on their own is clearly absurd.

For teenagers, it's different, and I think the bastardized Judith Butler cure hits differently for male teenagers and for female teenagers. In the popular nonfiction book Irreversible Damage, the author mostly focuses on teenage girls who use the drugs and "therapy" as an escape hatch from unpleasant female competition with the overt "support" from schools and medical authorities. The MtF nerd-troons that are more visible online seem to come in a few chief varieties: the nerd who wants to become the nerd girlfriend of his dreams (often becoming a mutant in the process), and the autogynophiliacs who are sexually fixated on the idea of themselves as a woman, and the more traditional medically enhanced transvestites who are mostly just homosexuals.

The rare cases of sports transitions may just be fraud for competitive advantage: a loophole for essentially either taking performance enhancing drugs, or just entering female competitions with a whole lot of natural testosterone.

In the instant case, it'd be crude to try to figure out what happened from a distance. But to speak more generally, just as you see fathers of girls often treat their daughters as if they were sons (caring more than any rational man would, for example, about girl's soccer), sometimes those daughters may decide to be the type of child that he clearly wanted instead of what god made them to be. Even without the phenomenon of drugs and surgery, we see tons and tons of girls and young women trying to perform as defective males to meet social expectations, and having deeply frustrating lives as a consequence.
 

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