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Community RPG Codex Best Vintage RPG Poll

Jvegi

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This is a lot more appropriate. My initial reaction to the current one was that Codexers were being depicted as POC.
I think it's a joke on how pro-white so many people here are, despite the vast number of them being from non-white countries, like Russia or Bulgaria.
 

Humanophage

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This is a lot more appropriate. My initial reaction to the current one was that Codexers were being depicted as POC.
I think it's a joke on how pro-white so many people here are, despite the vast number of them being from non-white countries, like Russia or Bulgaria.
But it is only logical that whites would tend to be more pro-white when exposed to a lot of non-whites. E.g., Russians have grown a lot more pro-white on average due to Central Asian and West Asian migration into white cities. The presence of gypsies probably motivates various other Eastern Euros like Slovaks, Romanians, Hungarians, and Bulgarians. For comparison, many of the states with the fewest POC in the US tend to be the most anti-white (Oregon, Washington, Vermont, etc.), while the whites in the most non-whites states are the most pro-white (Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, etc.)

This is particularly the case when mobility is more difficult, so you can't engage in white flight and are forced to live next to POC.
 

Roguey

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If anything the 2D era of DOS & Amiga games is from an artistic standpoint much prettier than nu-3D era, I'm not sure what Roguey is smoking (other than the usual copium over being wrong about everything).

I was being flippant. I'm not judging these games by their graphics/art.
 

Mortmal

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CRPG is one of the worst hobby, stagnant ,with hardly anything released.
CRPGs are gloriously vibrant compared to the other codex favorite genre: strategy games.
I dont think so, i am still spending thousands of hours on paradox titles, their pricing policies apart, they are pretty great. And there's still very good indies like dominions, or shadow empire. I am not spending nearly the same amount of time on rpgs.
 

Ryzer

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If anything the 2D era of DOS & Amiga games is from an artistic standpoint much prettier than nu-3D era
Ask anyone on the street which one is better artistically between a 2D DOS era and a recent 3D game, you'll always get the same answer.
 

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A fairly creative use for a poster to show the threat, but it's too indirect for a propaganda poster. A poster must be straightforward.

I wanted to use this one first but the vertical shape didn't look good on the frontpage :D

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This is a lot more appropriate. My initial reaction to the current one was that Codexers were being depicted as POC.

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I thought Slavs are considered by our western friends as the African Americans of Europe, so it'd be fitting.
 

Maxie

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A fairly creative use for a poster to show the threat, but it's too indirect for a propaganda poster. A poster must be straightforward.

I wanted to use this one first but the vertical shape didn't look good on the frontpage :D

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This is a lot more appropriate. My initial reaction to the current one was that Codexers were being depicted as POC.

codex88.jpg
I thought Slavs are considered by our western friends as the African Americans of Europe, so it'd be fitting.
can't speak for all slavs but Haitians called Poles honorary blacks
now that's ghetto
 

Zeriel

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If anything the 2D era of DOS & Amiga games is from an artistic standpoint much prettier than nu-3D era
Ask anyone on the street which one is better artistically between a 2D DOS era and a recent 3D game, you'll always get the same answer.

That's technological advance, not artistry.

If you showed them a painting from a 3D modeler versus the work of artists from the 90s, some of whom literally worked professionally as painters before getting involved in gaming (see for example the main artist for Lands of Lore who had a tribute movie in Lands of Lore 2 when he died during development), I really doubt you'd get the same reaction.

But certainly comparing 90s 2D art to the NWN era... it's not even close. When the 3D transition was first happening the result was fucking hideous on an objective level, compare NWN 1 to Eye of the Beholder, any DOS adventure game, etc, it's not even fucking close.

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Which one of these is artistically more appealing?
 

Ryzer

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That's technological advance, not artistry.

If you showed them a painting from a 3D modeler versus the work of artists from the 90s, some of whom literally worked professionally as painters before getting involved in gaming (see for example the main artist for Eye of the Beholder who had a tribute movie in Lands of Lore 2 when he died during development), I really doubt you'd get the same reaction.

But certainly comparing 90s 2D art to the NWN era... it's not even close. When the 3D transition was first happening the result was fucking hideous on an objective level, compare NWN 1 to Eye of the Beholder, any DOS adventure game, etc, it's not even fucking close.
Nobody cares, game-wise everybody will answer the same thing for the DOS game, that it's dead-on ugly.
 

Zeriel

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That's technological advance, not artistry.

If you showed them a painting from a 3D modeler versus the work of artists from the 90s, some of whom literally worked professionally as painters before getting involved in gaming (see for example the main artist for Eye of the Beholder who had a tribute movie in Lands of Lore 2 when he died during development), I really doubt you'd get the same reaction.

But certainly comparing 90s 2D art to the NWN era... it's not even close. When the 3D transition was first happening the result was fucking hideous on an objective level, compare NWN 1 to Eye of the Beholder, any DOS adventure game, etc, it's not even fucking close.
Nobody cares, game-wise everybody will answer the same thing for the DOS game, that it's dead-on ugly.

I don't care if people are ignorant. It doesn't change reality. If someone says 2+2=5, it doesn't make it correct. Most people dismissing old games never even played them, so it's like asking a politician what his opinion is of quantum dynamics.
 

Ryzer

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94015-the-dark-heart-of-uukrul-dos-screenshot-getting-attacked-by.png


OMG SO UGLY.

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HOW DO I EVEN TELL WHAT I'M LOOKING AT?

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IT'S TOO BLURRY.
99,9% of non-autistic people would say that those pictures look atrocious to watch except maybe Might And Magic's. Then again I'm not denying that those games are good but pretending they look better than recent 3D's is just downright retarded.
 

KeighnMcDeath

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You have to put your mind in the era and what came before. Some looked absolutely fantastic at the time. Now nostalgia goggles can blur your sense of reality but graphics and sound alone aren't necessarily game breakers. Graphics less so than sound. If sound it too god awful I can mute.

Now if the game is frustrating via interface and general play then the game can feel like ass fast unless something else like the story and content is good. I have struggled with some games that were fucking terrible but the story and feel was drawing me to play more.

Graphics??? Lol... you gotta be fucking kidding me. I play vector line, blocks, dots, ascii, and the like. Graphical gravy is just that... gravy.
 

Zeriel

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94015-the-dark-heart-of-uukrul-dos-screenshot-getting-attacked-by.png


OMG SO UGLY.

9355-wizardry-crusaders-of-the-dark-savant-dos-screenshot-combat.gif


HOW DO I EVEN TELL WHAT I'M LOOKING AT?

116118-might-and-magic-world-of-xeen-dos-screenshot-wells-and-fountains.png


IT'S TOO BLURRY.
99,9% of non-autistic people would say that those pictures look atrocious to watch except maybe Might And Magic's. Then again I'm not denying that those games are good but pretending they look better than recent 3D's is just downright retarded.

No one said recent 3Ds, bro. That's not the conversation.
 

Null Null

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One of the things I was thinking is that there's a long, long tradition of 2D figurative Western art people are drawing on, from the cave paintings at Lascaux down through realists like Millet and Lascaux, so a lot of tricks on how to make a 2D picture look 3D are already known. The early 3D stuff was limited by computing power, so it looks blocky and polygonal because that's what was easiest to render.

(There are non-Western traditions too, but you don't see these things looking, like, say Chinese landscapes with tiny little figures and detailed shading, or anime with big eyes and a small mouth.)
 

Jaedar

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That is not a good looking wolf. Unless it's some weird frame snapped in the middle of an animation.

But graphics aren't the most important things. There are good modern games with bad artstyles, I am sure there are good old games with bad artstyles.
 

Fowyr

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