Preview RPG Codex Hands-on Preview: Might & Magic X: Legacy

[catfood]

Yes. Who else would play MMX besides those of us who played the old ones back in the 90's? From a technical standpoint they are obsolete. Playing turn based games should be isometric, full stop. Unless you spank to tunnel vision.

So what you're saying is that someone who plays the old M&M games today for the first time can't derive enjoyment from it?

I think it depends on what you grew up with, and how patient you are. The gameplay and pace is clearly dictated by the machines they were created for. By today's standards, they would be by many people considered 'too slow'.

The younger generation today would defiantly not have the patience. Games like Skyrim and Call of Duty have turned gaming into quick reward gratification.
EDIT: Don't believe me? Go look at the Steam forums...
So many people saying 'Loolz WTF is this Shiz?! Skyrim is way better!? ROFL'

I don't think there's anyone denying that games of this style are not for everyone, but from this to "only old M&M fans are going to enjoy this game" is a loooooong way. Yes, your average COD kiddy is probably going to take a look at one screenshot and then run screaming back to mommy, but there's a huge market out there for all kinds of games. Niches have their place. Yes, for every 9 retards there is one guy who is willing to look past the graphics and the turn based combat and give it a spin.

For instance I only played WOX a few years ago when I was 23 or something and I immediately fell in love with it. Granted I wasn't born with a fagbox controller in my hand, but I am definitely a late comer to the party when it comes to gaming experience, especially compared to the oldfags here.

Not to mention the fact that games like these have been made throughout the last decade (in Japan) and that they are still being made and that they are still being bought (not just by japs mind you, Atlus has found itself a comfortable niche in the west too) means that there is definitely a market out there for M&M and it doesn't consist solely of the "old guard".

 

[catfood]

Yeah, me too.

 

[Nael]

Yes. Who else would play MMX besides those of us who played the old ones back in the 90's? From a technical standpoint they are obsolete. Playing turn based games should be isometric, full stop. Unless you spank to tunnel vision.

So what you're saying is that someone who plays the old M&M games today for the first time can't derive enjoyment from it?

I think it depends on what you grew up with, and how patient you are. The gameplay and pace is clearly dictated by the machines they were created for. By today's standards, they would be by many people considered 'too slow'.

The younger generation today would defiantly not have the patience. Games like Skyrim and Call of Duty have turned gaming into quick reward gratification.
EDIT: Don't believe me? Go look at the Steam forums...
So many people saying 'Loolz WTF is this Shiz?! Skyrim is way better!? ROFL'

My wife loves MM3-5 and she grew up with Super Mario. What's your point?

 

[catfood]

@Junmarko

Hey fag why did you delete your post? Don't you love this place no mo' ?

 

[Junmarko]

Hey fag. Wrong forum.
EDIT: Course I love this place.

 

[Grunker]

The younger generation today would defiantly not have the patience.

This is an oft-repeated falsehood on the Codex. Young people, if anything, have tons of patience for contrived systems compared to older people who has lost patience with arbitrary bullshit.

They are simply spoonfed with simplified, easy-to-consume bullshit. As I've stated before, through my job I interact with a whole bunch of young nerds, as well as troubled youth, and most of them are perfectly capable of understanding and enjoying complex games, be it board games, pen & paper or video games.

Also: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ence-demo-released.70534/page-22#post-2023791

 

[Junmarko]

The younger generation today would defiantly not have the patience.

This is an oft-repeated lie on the Codex. Young people, if anything, have tons of patience for contrived systems compared to older people who has lost patience with arbitrary bullshit.

They are simply spoonfed with simplified, easy-to-consume bullshit.

Also: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ence-demo-released.70534/page-22#post-2023791

Ok, I should have been more specific. Most young people, by young I mean sub 20.

 

[Zeriel]

I take it all back. Steam forums have made me see the light!

Every Might & Magic game culminated into the Pinnacle of RPG which was Morrowind. Might & Magic, AD&D all of them were great, but Morrowind was the last best/ultimate RPG. If you wanna play a great ARPG instead play PoE. RPG wise there is nothing worth a crap after Skyrim.

Ok, I should have been more specific. Most young people, by young I mean sub 20.

The example he gave was his fourteen-year-old nephew.

@Grunker, I can only hope that my nephews are that awesome when they grow up.

 

[Grunker]

The younger generation today would defiantly not have the patience.

This is an oft-repeated lie on the Codex. Young people, if anything, have tons of patience for contrived systems compared to older people who has lost patience with arbitrary bullshit.

They are simply spoonfed with simplified, easy-to-consume bullshit.

Also: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ence-demo-released.70534/page-22#post-2023791

Ok, I should have been more specific. Most young people, by young I mean sub 20.

You quoted my post before it was finished. 'Most' is also a falsehood. The attentionspan of youth hasn't changed - the games supplied to them simply demands less and are easier to consume.

Place any kid in front of an old game and they'll figure that shit out in no time.

 

[Junmarko]

The younger generation today would defiantly not have the patience.

This is an oft-repeated lie on the Codex. Young people, if anything, have tons of patience for contrived systems compared to older people who has lost patience with arbitrary bullshit.

They are simply spoonfed with simplified, easy-to-consume bullshit.

Also: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ence-demo-released.70534/page-22#post-2023791

Ok, I should have been more specific. Most young people, by young I mean sub 20.

You quoted my post before it was finished. 'Most' is also a falsehood. The attentionspan of youth hasn't changed - the games supplied to them simply demands less and are easier to consume.

Place any kid in front of an old game and they'll figure that shit out in no time.

Guess you're right there. I'm just really cynical...too much time looking at the BS posted on Steam.
If you want to get really mad, go on the Steam Xenonauts forum...I dare you.

 

[Humanity has risen!]

So are saves going to be compatible with the final version's?

 

[Zeriel]

That seems really unlikely... and besides, there's only a fraction of the classes in the game so far, so I don't even see why you'd want to.

 

[catfood]

Yeah, who cares, I wanna make an all orc party. There'll be no faggy elves in my group.

 

[Zeriel]

Four barbarians, man. Do it.

 

[Volrath]

ignored @Junmarko

 

[Nael]

Yeah, who cares, I wanna make an all orc party. There'll be no faggy elves in my group.

I actually like midgets dwarves little people in the demo most. They're nigh invincible. I imagine they will suffer the Nerf Hammer when Limbic gets to balancing the game.

 

[Dorateen]

So a biodrone walks into a Might & Magic thread...

 

[Grunker]

Yeah, thinking the epitome of RPGs are Fallout and Baldur's Gate, that all RPGs should be isometric and that the youth have no patience is the true mark of a biodrone.

Jesus. These views may be retarded, but so is linking them to Bioware fandom

 

[Junmarko]

So a biodrone walks into a Might & Magic thread...

Then leaves because Might and Magic was not Ultima 5.

Yeah, thinking the epitome of RPGs are Fallout and Baldur's Gate, that all RPGs should be isometric and that the youth have no patience is the true mark of a biodrone.

Jesus. These views may be retarded, but so is linking them to Bioware fandom

I think you mean Interplay/Blackisle when referring to Fallout. And Bioware did actually have a spine before EA bought them out. A true Biodrone? Jesus man, jump on the bandwagon too. That's like hating BlackIsle because they made Lionheart.

 

[Dorateen]

Ultima, with its pre-generated Main Protagonist and joinable companions, combined with its emphasis on "story" over combat, were precursors to what would become bioware philosophy.

Might & Magic and Wizardry were true RPGs.

 

[Junmarko]

Might & Magic and Wizardry were true RPGs.

Said no one, ever.

 

[Infinitron]

Summoning @mondblut

 

[Zeriel]

This thread is turning out to be the

of ridiculous statements.

 

[Grunker]

Ultima, with its pre-generated Main Protagonist and joinable companions, combined with its emphasis on "story" over combat, were precursors to what would become bioware philosophy.

first they came for the popamole
then they came for the infinity engine
now they come for the ultimas

 

[Mortmal]

What is there in common with early might and magics

And this is a completely and utterly bullshit question seeing as every single problem he has identified in M&M X Legacy's combat so far was also an asset of the original Might & Magics in most ways. The puzzles will be in the final game as well, and they've stated that exploration will have a heavy focus. All that's really left of Mortmal's poorly constructed argument is "but spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!" and yeah, I can deal with Might & Magic not having that as long as the gameplay is tight.

So yeah, Excidium, you and me can agree quickly that increased tactical variety would be sweet, but the bottom line of Mortmal's criticism is that he is either calling Might and Magic as a series terrible (in which case his opinion on no. 10 is pretty useless to the rest of us) or he is a hypocrite.

(saying that the combat might as well be that of Skyrim's or Grimrock reveals the hyperbole of his post for the bullshit it truely is)

And so the fight between different types of RPG crowds rages on...

Nah, this is just retardation. Mortmal likes blobbers.

Spaaace ? I will take sci fi elements from might and magic 3-5 over the usual generic pretty elves and scottish dwarves any day , i am so sick of tolkien fantasy . Excidium explain it better than me , a good might and magic is not just a check list. That very generic ashan setting doesnt do it .I played them all , i own every gaming system and every genre of rpgs , i think theres probably only luzur or crooked bee who have a bigger play list than me.

I wont say the might and magic series were shitty games, althought today i maybe wont enjoy them, its not enough anymore. You could expect more improvments and more complexity decades later, like how the japanese are doing blobbers .

I have not played that game, not being in the vip lounge with the cocksuckers chosen ones, i can only judge from gameplay video with the retarded starting area combat and the info collected here. I have yet to see some incline about it . Real hypocrisy is to say everything bethesda release is shit and being excited about the release of a game that seems even more shallow and generic .

Anyway just read steam forums for good fun , it seems to satisfy no one .