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Review RPG Codex Review: Darth Roxor on Disappointment, thy name is Pillars of Eternity

Discussion in 'News & Content Feedback' started by DarkUnderlord, Apr 21, 2015.

  1. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    For comparison. It's a squad-based turn-based post-apocalyptic RPG with dialogues (i.e. not a shoot 'em up). Two obvious questions are 'is it anything like Fallout?' and 'is it anything like JA2?'. The answer is 'no, it's not, don't buy it if you expect it to be like these games'.

    Never said anyone did.

    See above.

    A review is nothing but 'I liked it, here is why' or 'I hated, here is why'. It would be dishonest to like a game yet rip it apart (every game has flaws) or hate a game yet give it a favorable review.

    A good reviewer (and I'm not saying I am one) should explain why he liked or disliked it, so that the reader wouldn't have to take his word for it but be able to form his own opinion based on the info provided. I believe I've done that and even though it's clear that I liked the game, the review contains plenty of warnings. I explained the setting, character and combat systems in details, so that people can decide for themselves if the game is for them. Beyond that...

    As a wise man once said: 'Odds are, something you like very much sucks. Why? Because this is RPG Codex.'

    Anyway, yes, beauty (and other things) are in the eye of the beholder. What differs are the reasons given to support one's opinion.
     
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  2. roshan Arcane

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    I love how the bar for this game is steadily dropping... First it was expected to be the next BG2 and rated 10/10 on release, then everyone was arguing about it's merits relative to BG1 with most people seeming to think it was mostly a bad imitation, and now the point of comparison has dropped to DAO, which it is apparently a worse version of... Never has the decline been so quick. :lol::lol::lol:
     
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  3. Reject_666_6 Arcane

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    [Perception] You must be mistaken, half the posts here say it's a 10/10 masterpiece.
     
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  4. Black Arcane

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    Half the posts here were made by trolling Irenaeus.
     
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  5. Reject_666_6 Arcane

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    Wtf I thought I turned off tutorial popups.
     
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  6. karnak Arcane Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy Strap Yourselves In
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    On the image above: Pillars of Eternity and Dragon Age - the two great colossus of videogaming, both competing to defend the solid and venerable structure of CRPGs.
     
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  7. Tytus Arcane

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    You uneducated barbarian.
     
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  8. jewboy Arbiter

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    Did SawyerMan let his opinion be known on Dragon Age? He may also think it was an improvement on the Baldurs Gate series in every way. In fact that seems pretty likely since people say he hated BG2. Roguey would probably know.
     
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  9. ITT, idiots who hate PoE forcefully drawing comparisons between PoE and DA:O in order to insult PoE, and then using the fact that everyone is supposedly comparing them to say how much PoE sucks. Talk about circular reasoning.
     
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  10. karnak Arcane Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy Strap Yourselves In
    And proud to be one!
    Unlike you decadent, effeminate, civilized slave.
     
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  11. Seari Cipher Patron

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    Or maybe I just enjoy DA:O more.
     
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  12. set Cipher

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    There's no way DA:O is better than PoE. At least PoE's class system allows for variety. You have three fucking classes in DA:O and you're railroaded in each of them. The extra subclasses you find do little to make a difference, to boot. DA:O's itemization is also way more awful.
     
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  13. Well then I wasn't talking about you. You're not using circular reasoning, the idiots I was referring to are. You just have bad taste in games, which is fine :)
     
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  14. jewboy Arbiter

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    Just because you think PoE is a better game than DA:O does not make it so and the comparison is anything but forced. It was a comparison that was absolutely begging to be made: the spiritual successor to the Baldurs Gate series from both Bioware and from Obsidian but updated with modern mechanics. Sister companies with a very long history and with exactly the same (stated) intention in both cases. I cannot imagine a more obvious comparison.
     
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  15. Comparing it to the games it set out to imitate: BG1, IWD, and PS:T, seems like a more obvious comparison to me. Comparing it to trash like DA and then saying that people making the comparison proves that it's equally as shit is circular reasoning. In other words, you could be right (you're not ;)), but your argument is shit. If you still don't get it, google is your friend.
     
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  16. Jools Eater of Apples Patron

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    Codex 2014 Make the Codex Great Again! Insert Title Here Codex USB, 2014 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2
    Well, DA:O is better at being a banalshitboring nobrainer ARPG than PoE is at being "Baldur's Gate 3". But, if we want to step back and consider both just RPGs, yeah, there is no way DA:O is better than Pillars of Mediocrity.
     
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  17. Dorateen Arcane

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    Obsidian already made their spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate. It's called the Neverwinter Nights 2 OC.

    What they ought to have done with PoE is go full Icewind Dale, since it is truer to their design heritage.
     
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  18. Nikaido Arcane In My Safe Space

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  19. jewboy Arbiter

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    Comparing a game to what it set out to imitate is not a fair comparison. Of course that's going to make PoE look like shit just as it would for DA:O. At least give PoE a fighting chance ffs. It makes more sense to compare it to what it is most similar too and that would be the other spiritual successor. Baldurs Gate and Icewind Dale and Planescape:Torment are very old games with very old gaming mechanics and the play style is nothing like either of the two spiritual successors and it was never intended to be. That is why it is a called a spiritual successor rather than just a sequel.
     
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  20. Caconym Savant

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    I too would prefer something newer and weirder. Doesn't necessarily have to be Planescape or Numenera weird, but... just... stop with the traditional DnD-esque fantasy kitchen sink already.
     
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  21. jewboy Arbiter

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    No. NWN was a special multiplayer project intended to mimick real PnP D&D on a computer. It was intended to be multiplayer with player created dungeons. It was never supposed to be BG3 or any sort of spiritual successor either. It was a cool idea that ended up being a bit overly ambitious. Dragon Age was the only project that was intended to replace the single player cRPG series that was Baldur's Gate. A lot of us Biodrones at the time were super hyped for a sort of BG3 in spirit and I guess for some people that is exactly what Dragon Age was.
     
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  22. Lhynn Arcane

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    Posts sin valor por una manga de pelotudos que critican sin argumento sustancial. Mas o menos como los apologistas aca en el codex. Que se vayan a hacer coger.
     
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  23. None of this addresses the rampant and idiotic circle-jerk of A. let's compare DA:O to PoE. followed by B. People are comparing DA:O to PoE, therefore PoE is shit. So, keep deflecting and ignoring the actual point I made, hopefully it works out for you. Furthermore, DA:O was intended as a spiritual successor to the BG series, PoE was intended as a game inspired by three specific and very different IE games: BG1, IWD, and PS:T. Even if you do include BG2 and IWD2 for some reason, drawing from these vastly different games is a vastly different goal than drawing inspiration from the BG series alone. So, again, the comparison is somewhat forced. Also, it's irrelevant to my original point about the retarded circular reasoning, which you keep ignoring.
     
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  24. jewboy Arbiter

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    Since it seems that you may be specifically referring to me show me where *I* actually make that circular argument. I think you are the one who needs Google. I never made any such argument. All I have done is pointed out the obvious comparison just because it's so fucking obvious and a lot more fair to PoE. It doesn't look like such a bad game when compared to Dragon Age does it? I mean ffs comparing it to games like Planescape: Torment, which by your argument this game *should* be compared to is just absurd. And comparisons to BG1 and IWD1 are not much better.
     
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  25. Lhynn Arcane

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    PoE is better than DA:O, how would it fare if it was compared to IWD2 tho? i never finished that game, couldnt stomach it.
     
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