Vapourware Scam Citizen - Only people with too much money can become StarCitizens! WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?

[Grotesque]

http://i.imgur.com/cGTiEFj.jpg?1

 

[Metro]

Take backer money. Decide you're worth $500k salary. Give your wife with seemingly no skills in development/production $500k salary, also.

 

[Drakron]

This is pseudo-elitist Codex bullcrap.

No, its not ... its utilitarian, there is no reason to create a 3d modeling of a base when the only reason for it is to make people waste time walking it.

I can give you a example, Silent Hunter V were both the sub and the subpen were modeled and you could walk yet the subpen had nothing and the interior as nice it might been was no substitute of shortcut commands, going around because realism inst effective or even fun to begin with.

Also you are a retard BTW.

What the game is offering is a natural evolution of what Wing Commander was striving for in the first place.

What a load of crap, Wing Commander was a arcade flight sim with a story attached ... Privateer was the same, Star Citizen is a MMO were at best its Privateer without the story element.
That is Star Citizen, not Squadron 42 that might be but then again what was Starlancer and Freelancer if not also a "natural evolution"? in fact let me point out that Wing Commander had TWO producers, Chris Roberts and Warren Spector.

Anybody who says they wouldn't be interested in the type of game Star Citizen is going for if done right is a liar.

I am not, let me point out exactly what breaks the camel's back.

Always online, Open PvP

Squadron 42? thats another subject but Star Citizen? I know what the game IS, you apparently DONT ... I have no interest on Always Connected with Open PvP and since I am at it, permanent death, I am NOT interested on yet another attempt at a "living world" ESPECIALLY when the fucking model they seem to be going is EVE.

 

[Skunkpew]

Someone mentioned several pages back that the dollars raised are all fake, and I totally agree. When Broken Age appeared on Kickstarter, every single gaming site was covering the resurgence of classic gaming and it’s all that was talked about for months afterwards, even crossing over into many non-gaming forums. Yet for most of its Kickstarter run, the game was making a few thousand dollars a day. Same with Wasteland 2; same with almost every single project that has ever been crowdfunded. Even during their own Kickstarter campaign Star Citizen were making $20,000-$30,000 a day, and that's taking into consideration the pre-built excitement which the Kickstarter campaign brings: with a clear start, a clear end and with daily hype and stretch goals. Or look at a project like Exploding Kittens, which somehow went viral and crossed over too into the awareness of the general public, and yet is already essentially forgotten about. But that was absolutely everywhere and only made $9 million.

So how is it possible that now with no hype and no attention (except by a very small but loyal crowd,) the crowd funding for Star Citizen has actually increased? It doesn’t seem to make sense, when compared to the tens of thousands of other projects out there. I know that a very tiny number of backers are shelling out thousands of dollars, but by the sheer amount of money raised, there must also be hundreds of thousands of 'grunt' backers. Yet the thousands of gaming projects on Kickstarter have also shown that there's an upper limit of potential backers that can even potentially be drawn upon. For example, except for Exploding Kittens, Broken Age had the record for most backers of a gaming-related project, and that was from when crowd funding was at it's most fervent and hope-filled. And it must be repeated, the non-gaming public were talking about these games. Yet we're to believe that Star Citizen is bringing in more money than these games ever dreamed of, and doing so while not a single person outside of the niche speak about it? It seems entirely fake. Not to mention, Star Citizen list their crowd funding numbers on their own website, but they could put any number there and there’s no way to verify any of it. It's like asking the con-men to regulate themselves and then we're supposed to believe them.

 

[Grimlorn]

http://i.imgur.com/cGTiEFj.jpg?1

This was addressed by the follow up article on Escapist. Liz talked to the devs 6 days before the article was published. It's possible that they simply emailed her their statements, she quoted them, then they published their statements on Looking Glass also. I don't think all the people at the Escapist are lying about vetting the developers and actually quoted reviews from Looking Glass.

Still skeptical about the stuff they all said in the article, but the way SC fans are reacting to it is insane. Not even willing to take a step back and consider some of the stuff is true. Too emotionally invested to use reason and logic. So they attack the Escapist and the author, demand the sources be revealed, and come up with crazy conspiracy theories.

 

[buzz]

Of course, there is one thing that needs to be pointed out there. Chris Roberts is a producer, not a game developer. What if the people he hired suck to begin with? Are there even designers capable of making a Wing Commander type of game or a solid FPS in this day and age? What they have shown of the FPS portion of the game is very reminiscent of modern shooters. That may have less to do with Chris Roberts "selling out" and more to do with modern devs not knowing any better.

I agree, that's what I tried to imply as well. People in here all pretend that it's Chris Roberts fault alone because he's the face of that company. It's almost a constant, put the blame (or the praise) on the moron who talked to you on camera. It's as if Tim Schafer the SJW hipster would actually run Double Fine as a dictatorship and not a hippie commune.
Same with Chris Roberts. His failure at management are a given, but I'm sure all the other people suffer from this shit as well.

Now, the FPS part, that's apparently done by the people who did Nexuiz, which is basically a Quake/UT clone. But apparently it's a poorly optimized piece of shit, unbalanced and lacking variety of the free mod, which explains everything

 

[buzz]

I know that a very tiny number of backers are shelling out thousands of dollars, but by the sheer amount of money raised, there must also be hundreds of thousands of 'grunt' backers..

Well, their website says that there's almost 1 million backers in total.

I think it was technically possible for them to get that amount money. Between the MMO/Eve Online fans who want to eventually jump ship into a new space MMO-thing, the PC mustard race people who want the next big graphical leap, and the speculators who want to make the kind of profit that Blaine got out of this, there's enough to get the money rolling. Add the cult-like mentality of Star Citizen fanboys and how the project didn't get much criticism up until the last one or two months, and it is possible.

Of course, SC being a money laundering scheme for columbian drug lords still seems highly probable

 

[Jarpie]

This was addressed by the follow up article on Escapist. Liz talked to the devs 6 days before the article was published. It's possible that they simply emailed her their statements, she quoted them, then they published their statements on Looking Glass also. I don't think all the people at the Escapist are lying about vetting the developers and actually quoted reviews from Looking Glass.

Still skeptical about the stuff they all said in the article, but the way SC fans are reacting to it is insane. Not even willing to take a step back and consider some of the stuff is true. Too emotionally invested to use reason and logic. So they attack the Escapist and the author, demand the sources be revealed, and come up with crazy conspiracy theories.

Most people are fucking dumb, and they don't want to admit to themselves that they might've made a mistake. Very similar thing happened in Finland when we had the "Wincapita"-scandal/scam where bunch of people basically had pyramid scam where they claimed that they make money by selling and buying currencies, and people can get into it by investing, even after it was all revealed to be a scam and the founders themselves said that they just paid the profits from the new investors to the first ones, and when that well dried up they jettisoned away.

Some scammed "investors" still believe that it was The Elite who shut it down and forced the people in charge to make a false confession because The Elite doesn't want others to get rich, people will believe anything so that they won't have to admit that they got fleeced.

 

[Grimlorn]

Roberts is threatening to sue the Escapist if they don't apologize about the things they posted. What a bully.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist

Spoiler

 

[Thane Solus]

Roberts is threatening to sue the Escapist if they don't apologize about the things they posted. What a bully.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist

Spoiler

Haha! he just shoot himself in the foot. Bye, bye project.

A normal producer, CEO, would come with a better diplomatic approach and kill the allegations, at least for those that are already to invested in the project (drones). I mean even an EA PR person can do it better. But this guy is deranged egotisc piece of shit, that havent worked in the games industry for 12 years, he was at Hollywood producing, shitty to mediocre movies.

Kojima next please)

Haha, Burn baby!

 

[Grimlorn]

I think he's hoping the Escapist is too broke and scared to fight a lawsuit so they'll apologize. I like how they mention they have two black employees. No mention of a black girl though.

The bit about not issuing company cards is interesting though. But that same person also had pay stubs if I remember right.

 

[Thane Solus]

I think he's hoping the Escapist is too broke and scared to fight a lawsuit so they'll apologize. I like how they mention they have two black employees. No mention of a black girl though.

Escapist is a garbage site anyway, with a few small exceptions, but even if they give in, what has been seen cant be unseen. Are these people live on another planet, why would you do that? Oh wait, its murica, its written in their genes, sue anybody if they dont agree with you, or you are in need of cash.

 

[J_C]

Wow, this is some heavy stuff. I am very curious about the result. Either Escapist will make themselves look like a fool, or Chris damaging his company beyond repair.

Time to bring some popcorn.

 

[Grimlorn]

Do you think if Hollywood found out about the wife's comments that she would be blacklisted from Hollywood?

It would be pretty funny. I don't think Hollywood would risk working with a racist.

 

[Grimlorn]

Escapist is a garbage site anyway, with a few small exceptions, but even if they give in, what has been seen cant be unseen. Are these people live on another planet, why would you do that? Oh wait, its murica, its written in their genes, sue anybody if they dont agree with you, or you are in need of cash.

Well the Escapist was the only one to stand with gamers during the whole GG scandal. Got rid of their SJW staff. So that has to count for something right?

 

[Jarpie]

Do you think if Hollywood found out about the wife's comments that she would be blacklisted from Hollywood?

It would be pretty funny. I don't think Hollywood would risk working with a racist.

He haven't worked as a producer in hollywood since 2009 so I imagine that something could've already happened, they usually don't "blacklist" people unless they fuck up majorly one way or another.

Could be though that he decided to leave hollywood after this: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/capitol-settles-black-water-transit-19109

But knowing Hollywood that might limit future job prospects.

 

[Metro]

Threatening a totally groundless lawsuit. Hilarious. Severe infliction of emotional distress? A first year law student will tell you shit like that never flies. And malicious intent to side-step First Amendment protection? Please. Even for a demand letter that's extremely unprofessional for a lawyer to write. But, hey, Roberts has plenty of backer money to waste on attorney's fees.

 

[Grimlorn]

He haven't worked as a producer in hollywood since 2009 so I imagine that something could've already happened, they usually don't "blacklist" people unless they fuck up majorly one way or another.

Could be though that he decided to leave hollywood after this: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/capitol-settles-black-water-transit-19109

But knowing Hollywood that might limit future job prospects.

Yeah but his wife is still trying out for auditions supposedly and Roberts didn't deny it either in his statement.

 

[Metro]

She's a D-list actress: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1667407/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Blacklisting is meaningless to her.

 

[Morkar Left]

Wow, that letter is quite unprofessional. I don't think they are doing themselves a favour with this, true or not.

 

[Jack Dandy]

Escapist isn't some po-dunk website. They're part of a larger group.
Don't think they'll be that easy a target.

 

[Metro]

It's more hollow bluster. Virtually impossible to prove malicious defense in defamation suits. And IIED is the second weakest tort action imaginable.

 

[Grimlorn]

She's a D-list actress: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1667407/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Blacklisting is meaningless to her.

Is she a ? Looks pretty manly in the face to me.

Also would SC have to submit their financials and HR reports to the courts, potentially making them public, if they went through with a lawsuit to try and prove what the employees said was false? Seems like the last thing Roberts would want to do.

 

[vonAchdorf]

Even if the allegations are true, the employees are still some whiney bitches ("female dog" in their glassdoor reports).
Also reporting the CEO's spending habits to "Executive staff" isn't the business of a "Game Developer", especially if it's certainly hearsay since a developer probably doesn't get insight into the leasing contracts. Working 80 hours under the alleged conditions for fear of losing your job on a sinking ship isn't really a sign of maturity, especially for a - presumably - young person without a mortgage and kids. The "founders" doing drugs is a bit more worrisome, though maybe it's just smoking weed, which is now about as legals as it gets. But CR disappearing for weeks without notice, if true, seems to be a clear indication, that not only his employees, but he himself can't cope with the expectations he has.

 

[Grotesque]

Roberts in the letter invited the Escapist to a tour around the offices... and then "fuck that!", I'll sue them!

But how come none of you armchair lawyers motherfuckers that are blinded by hate towards Roberts do not the discuss the points brought up by the letter that threatens with lawsuit?

And that other fucker says that he did not check his SPAM folder when he was already in contact with them and he was told to wait for a response. What a kindergarten attitude/response.
Also the facts that CIG has already staff over 40 and 2 blacks which can be easily confirmed or not.

This whole thing smells fishy.
And the timing is just perfect. Right before citizenconshit.