Vapourware Scam Citizen - Only people with too much money can become StarCitizens! WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?

[Xenich]

No, its not ... its utilitarian, there is no reason to create a 3d modeling of a base when the only reason for it is to make people waste time walking it.

Well, there is if you want to eventually open the game to base assaults and the like. Having a consistent 3d universe in that respect makes sense.

 

[vonAchdorf]

A 3D interior of a spaceship also makes sense in VR. And it's not like they didn't have 3D cockpits 20 years ago already. This attention to detail is certainly the least problem the project has. A real cockpit is certainly incline over the "we skip cockpits altogether" in later space sims.

 

[Whiran]

So how is it possible that now with no hype and no attention (except by a very small but loyal crowd,) the crowd funding for Star Citizen has actually increased? It doesn’t seem to make sense, when compared to the tens of thousands of other projects out there. I know that a very tiny number of backers are shelling out thousands of dollars, but by the sheer amount of money raised, there must also be hundreds of thousands of 'grunt' backers.

...

Yet we're to believe that Star Citizen is bringing in more money than these games ever dreamed of, and doing so while not a single person outside of the niche speak about it? It seems entirely fake. Not to mention, Star Citizen list their crowd funding numbers on their own website, but they could put any number there and there’s no way to verify any of it. It's like asking the con-men to regulate themselves and then we're supposed to believe them.

To put this into perspective I know many people who did not back Star Citizen when it was in Kickstarter but backed it later. By many I mean around a dozen of my gamer friends. Interestingly every single one of them with one exception was / is an EVE Online player.

When I popped by EVE Online briefly after Star Citizen became a thing everyone I spoke to brought up Star Citizen and how amazing it was going to be. That's probably another 20 - 30 people right there and by in large they all bought into Star Citizen after the Kickstarter.

I'm playing Elite: Dangerous at the moment and I frequent a few Twitch casters who play it as well. Their chats are constantly full of people talking about Star Citizen and how they backed it.

I can believe the figure for Star Citizen in terms of sales. A lot of people started with giving them the lowest value and then, over time, would up it.

There are an awful lot of whales who bought into Star Citizen to the tune of a couple of thousand of dollars. We know about people who have put in over $20,000 USD but the number of people who have dropped 1,000+ USD is remarkable to me.

If you go to the "after market" or I suppose private sales for Star Citizen ships you will find that it is very active. Look at Blaine's sale of his ships. He sold his spaceships for over ~2k USD very quickly.

Finally after all this speculation about Star Citizen hit the media channels the funding for Star Citizen peaked at almost $340k on Sep 30, 2015. On Oct 1, 2014 a further ~$200k was given. Since the story broke Star Citizen has made almost a million dollars. Think about that for a moment. If I were to guess the people who gave this money were already donators who wanted to show support to Chris Roberts.

 

[:Flash:]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14978-WIP-Star-Marine-Armor

just read these feedback dialogues regarding the helmets, especially the outlaw ones.

The amount of feedback poured in and attention to detail is insane. No wonder the development takes so long and employees are disgruntled because of the constant reiteration.
Roberts sure as hell knows what he wants and has very high standards, which is a good thing.
He indeed wants to micromanage everything, like former employees stated. Is that a bad thing? No. The only question is if he can afford it in the long run.

That was not only said by former employees, it was also said by Richard Garriot in one of those interviews when they were propping up each others kickstarters, and it was meant positively by Garriot. He was contrasting the different management attitudes at Origin, and compared his own laissez-faire attitude, with Roberts' attitude, which he called "management by decree". He said he once heard Roberts saying to a graphic artist "No! Make that pixel blue!".

 

[Perkel]

It's more hollow bluster. Virtually impossible to prove malicious defense in defamation suits. And IIED is the second weakest tort action imaginable.

Deflamation ? that is hard to prove in court but...
Escapist wrote two stupid things:

1) There's a climate of sexual and racial harassment at CiG.
2) Embezzlement and fraud have and are taking place at CiG.

Which both are criminal cases. And they did this on "he said, she said" and if CiG is right they beaten out their most important proof CiG IDs which those workers were using in company (CiG claims they don't use IDs in all of their offices).

So yeah. This isn't "well CiG is shit, don't fund it and they all will run away with your money"

Unless they have actually solid proof of above and CiG will pursue case Escapist is fucked and can prepare to increase SC funding...

 

[Grotesque]

Anyone here that really thinks C. Roberts is a conman bent to steal the Star Citizen money is just plain retarded. Or are too young to know how the world really works and spew bullshit just to look cool on the monitor screen.
For him to steal this money would be suicide on professional and social level.
Furthermore, he does not have to steal because he was already rich in the first place.

Maybe he is indeed obsessed with detail and thus this reverberates in mismanagement of money, or he shouts when he loses his shit because he has to put up with beings from retardo land.
If Star Citizen will fail is because he's too ambitious for his own sake.
And also becasue he has that shrew called Sandi by his side! (whaa... I am such a badass! I call that bitch a shrew on the internet!)

 

[J_C]

Anyone here that really thinks C. Roberts is a conman bent to steal the Star Citizen money is just plain retarded. Or are too young to know how the world really works and spew bullshit just to look cool on the monitor screen.
For him to steal this money would be suicide on professional and social level.
Furthermore, he does not have to steal because he was already rich in the first place.

Maybe he is indeed obsessed with detail and thus this reverberates in mismanagement of money, or he shouts when he loses his shit because he has to put up with beings from retardo land.
If Star Citizen will fail is because he's too ambitious for his own sake.
And also becasue he has that shrew called Sandi by his side! (whaa... I am such a badass! I call that bitch a shrew on the internet!)

This!

I'm sure that SC has development problems, but people saying that CR has ran off with the money, or spending it for houses, trips to Bora Bora and so on are seriously retarded and can't think for themselves. I guess the Codexian negativity can get to a person so deeply that s/he can't think straight and always assume the worst, even it is unrealistic.

That's why I think that these "sources" Derek Smart and the Escapist are quoting are just bullshit. And CIG is not even issuing company IDs, which presumably proved that the sources really work there? What a fuckup!

As you said, if the project failes, it will fail because of bad management, but not because of spending the money on Ferraries and drugs.

On another note, it is funny that suddenly people are giving 5 starts for CIG on glassdoor, the even out the badcones given by the Escapist "sources". Just like with metacritic, Jesus, the videogame industry should really grow up.

 

[Dexter]

Anyone here that really thinks C. Roberts is a conman bent to steal the Star Citizen money is just plain retarded. Or are too young to know how the world really works and spew bullshit just to look cool on the monitor screen.

Anyone here that thinks Star Citizen is going to come out any time soon and is going to be the best game ever is beyond fucking retarded, you're in good company with J_C there. I mean, I got the skepticism that this is all a scam to rip off people in late 2012 when there were the first questionable things about it or in 2013 (you can dig for my posts and arguments with Blaine when he was still married to Chris Roberts and eating all his shit like it was ambrosia), but it's almost 2016 and it's not healthy to be this fucking delusional at this point.

 

[J_C]

Anyone here that thinks Star Citizen is going to come out any time soon and is going to be the best game ever is beyond fucking retarded, you're in good company with J_C there.

Everybody is aware that the game might not come out in a years, don't come with this "you are in good company" bullshit. Nobody said otherwise. The retarded thing is to think that Chris ran off with the money or spent it on booze and hookers.

 

[justincz]

"chris ran off with the money" it doesnt work like that, how dumb would that be? but he as CEO and his partners can pick any salary they want, and live like a king for years. buy buttload from expense accounts etc.
CR would not have gotten 80+ mil if he didnt add all the insane stretch goals. he thought he could just hire som CRY experts and figure out all the problems later on and if the game fails atleast he had a great job at the top while it lasts.
and seriously corporate "conspiracys" from managment are not at all uncommon.. i deal with it all the time as i rent out 60.000 square feet of property. try to find an honest carpenter to build your house for that matter, they will pick your pocket and you wont even know what happened.

 

[Alienman]

Space hookers?

 

[Volrath]

This!

I'm sure that SC has development problems, but people saying that CR has ran off with the money, or spending it for houses, trips to Bora Bora and so on are seriously retarded and can't think for themselves. I guess the Codexian negativity can get to a person so deeply that s/he can't think straight and always assume the worst, even it is unrealistic.

That's why I think that these "sources" Derek Smart and the Escapist are quoting are just bullshit. And CIG is not even issuing company IDs, which presumably proved that the sources really work there? What a fuckup!

As you said, if the project failes, it will fail because of bad management, but not because of spending the money on Ferraries and drugs.

On another note, it is funny that suddenly people are giving 5 starts for CIG on glassdoor, the even out the badcones given by the Escapist "sources". Just like with metacritic, Jesus, the videogame industry should really grow up.

 

[Morkar Left]

"chris ran off with the money" it doesnt work like that, how dumb would that be? but he as CEO and his partners can pick any salary they want, and live like a king for years. buy buttload from expense accounts etc.
CR would not have gotten 80+ mil if he didnt add all the insane stretch goals. he thought he could just hire som CRY experts and figure out all the problems later on and if the game fails atleast he had a great job at the top while it lasts.
and seriously corporate "conspiracys" from managment are not at all uncommon.. i deal with it all the time as i rent out 60.000 square feet of property. try to find an honest carpenter to build your house for that matter, they will pick your pocket and you wont even know what happened.

I'm sure he doesn't hesitate to pay himself good money for the project but thinking that he isn't intending to bring out the game is rediculous. It's more his big attention for detail and I guess some employers have a hard time getting told how to do their work in such an ordered specific way. It's mentioned often enough from multiple sources that CR has a very strong vision of how everything should be look like and be done and that he's very uhm passionate about it. Personally I think that's a good thing. It's not that the guy has no proven track record of excellent games with for the time insane production values. That's just how he does things and I don't believe he would settle with anything less than at least state of the art presentation. That's where the project can fail but not him just spending founders money for his private luxury and drugs.

 

[Grotesque]

I don't know what the fuck his salary is now and neither others who like to eat shit about embezzlement.
But I bet if/when the shit hits the fan, he will be the first to work with no salary because he's passionate about this project.

 

[J_C]

Oh boy, Escapist is so fucked.
Quoting fron NeoGAF:

https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/650617503450841088

Journo confirms that the company ID card is like this one on this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y1X4tLFdU0&feature=youtu.be&t=7m32s

Which is this:

Which has no identifying information at all, nothing to black out, and it is a standard security card used by hundreds of companies.

This is truly investigative journalism.

 

[Grimlorn]

Oh boy, Escapist is so fucked.
Quoting fron NeoGAF:

https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/650617503450841088

Journo confirms that the company ID card is like this one on this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y1X4tLFdU0&feature=youtu.be&t=7m32s

Which is this:

Which has no identifying information at all, nothing to black out, and it is a standard security card used by hundreds of companies.

This is truly investigative journalism.

Yeah but the guy had a card and pay stubs. So while there may have been some confusion, they have to determine the pay stubs aren't authentic as well before flipping out.

 

[J_C]

Yeah but the guy had a card and pay stubs. So while there may have been some confusion, they have to determine the pay stubs aren't authentic as well before flipping out.

Sure. Let's see how will this turn out.

 

[Chamezero]

It's like everyone involved is constantly fucking up, a sight to behold.

 

[Night Goat]

Anyone here that really thinks C. Roberts is a conman bent to steal the Star Citizen money is just plain retarded. Or are too young to know how the world really works and spew bullshit just to look cool on the monitor screen.
For him to steal this money would be suicide on professional and social level.
Furthermore, he does not have to steal because he was already rich in the first place.

Maybe he is indeed obsessed with detail and thus this reverberates in mismanagement of money, or he shouts when he loses his shit because he has to put up with beings from retardo land.
If Star Citizen will fail is because he's too ambitious for his own sake.
And also becasue he has that shrew called Sandi by his side! (whaa... I am such a badass! I call that bitch a shrew on the internet!)

This!

I'm sure that SC has development problems, but people saying that CR has ran off with the money, or spending it for houses, trips to Bora Bora and so on are seriously retarded and can't think for themselves. I guess the Codexian negativity can get to a person so deeply that s/he can't think straight and always assume the worst, even it is unrealistic.

That's why I think that these "sources" Derek Smart and the Escapist are quoting are just bullshit. And CIG is not even issuing company IDs, which presumably proved that the sources really work there? What a fuckup!

As you said, if the project failes, it will fail because of bad management, but not because of spending the money on Ferraries and drugs.

On another note, it is funny that suddenly people are giving 5 starts for CIG on glassdoor, the even out the badcones given by the Escapist "sources". Just like with metacritic, Jesus, the videogame industry should really grow up.

So how much did you guys blow on Star Citizen?

 

[Grotesque]

So how much did you guys blow on Star Citizen?

me, 20 bucks

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[J_C]

So how much did you guys blow on Star Citizen?

35, but I sold my account after seeing the game not progressing as it should.

 

[Jarpie]

So our resident "Cuck for blowhards" aka J_C has now shifted to white knight Chris Roberts from Tim Schafer?

 

[J_C]

So our resident "Cuck for blowhards" aka J_C has now shifted to white knight Chris Roberts from Tim Schafer?

More like, J_C continues to use his brain instead of bashing everyone, accusing him scamming and purposfully ruining their own carrier.

 

[Metro]

Deflamation ? that is hard to prove in court but...
Escapist wrote two stupid things:

1) There's a climate of sexual and racial harassment at CiG.
2) Embezzlement and fraud have and are taking place at CiG.

Which both are criminal cases. And they did this on "he said, she said" and if CiG is right they beaten out their most important proof CiG IDs which those workers were using in company (CiG claims they don't use IDs in all of their offices).

So yeah. This isn't "well CiG is shit, don't fund it and they all will run away with your money"

Unless they have actually solid proof of above and CiG will pursue case Escapist is fucked and can prepare to increase SC funding...

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That they allege those two things in their article are taking place at CIG doesn't alter the requirements to get over First Amendment protections. From what the Escapist wrote in response to Roberts they seemed to go through enough steps to vet the sources to show that publishing this piece was neither intentionally malicious nor done with a reckless disregard for the truth.

Now, that Lizzy whatsherface might have been dumb in not recognizing a security card versus an ID might be an issue but it's no slam dunk either way. There's being dumb and there's malicious/reckless disregard. If that was the ONLY thing that 'confirmed' their identities as employees... yeah... they'd probably lose.

 

[Drakron]

True, you need to show intent ... and good lucky proving that.

Not to mention if this would happen to pass the effect it would have, it would mean you could not even cover a trial before judgement was passed because "libel", the whole thing is simply bizarre since it would have a serious impact on journalism in the US.

Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan

Since a writer's malicious intent is hard to prove, proof that the writer knowingly published a falsehood was generally accepted as proof of malice, under the assumption that only a person with ill intent would knowingly publish something false.

I have no idea why on Earth would they sue for libel unless their legal department is either non-existing or downright incompetent, or if they ignored their advice, either way Chris is not just in a fight with Defy Media but pretty much every single journalist association in the US as well other organizations that fight for the preservation of constitutional freedoms, then again this is very likely trying to scare them into silence, either way ... not a pretty picture from them.