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[Grunker]

This feels like a circular argument, but I'll bite. First, let's just dispense with the strawman that is the simple inclusion of women in games. That's not a problem, and never has. Games that allow you to make your own character have had male or female as a choice for as long as I can remember. The problem is that one group that is on the constant hunt for anything that might, in any way, shape, or form, imply something that hardcore feminists decide is offensive.

The biggest problem I have with that is "offensive" is so retardedly subjective, it forces people to walk on eggshells hoping and praying that there's no little personality nuance about them that might set someone off. Senses of humor are stifled. Can't tell off-color jokes. Can't roleplay a personality type because that personality type is WACIST/SEXIST!...

Which fucking games are we talking about? Or are you just spewing hypothetical bullshit that exists only in your own mind? Games have, if anything, become way more "offensive" and juvenile than they were back in the day. Just look at Saint's Row III or Mortal Kombat or sex in the Witcher or whatever.

Not that I mind any of that, I'm not the one making an argument that this shit has changed/should change gaming. But your argument crumbles to dust the moment you start identifying that there are plenty insanely politically incorrect games out there compared to earlier.

This boils down to two groups being mad at one another, claiming the other has total domincance of the medium and everything is being made in their image.

 

[Drakron]

...which side you're on in this debate.

And what side are those?

I am on the "stop annoying me with this bullshit" side, that is stop trying to find a enemy and a enemy that I happen to wish to engage in sexual intercourse with.

Women are not the problem, people trying to make women being a problem are a problem because this wasnt a problem, we had women gamers before gaming became "cool" and "social" and trying to bring up the battle of the sexes into this hobby annoys the crap out of me, this something that had no relevance before but now have because fucking hipsters are trying to take over my hobby, in fact they did and I have to thank then for the bullshit gaming have became, not the women because, again I happen to wish to engage in sexual intercourse with them.

 

[Gurkog]

I am all for more women gamers, tired of only encounter teen girls and jaded housewives in games.

 

[Grunker]

What bias? My reply has nothing to do which side you're on in this debate.

Oh no? Here's the kicker: You see two people arguing. You decide to level a high horse bullshit preaching about how to argue with pretty flowers directed at the one who calls someone "retarded" but otherwise makes a case for why his opponent's argument was bad. The one who called his opposition "scum", "cancer" and uses a completely obvious strawman (essentially, J_C's first post is just a blank opinion with no semblance of argument) you ignore completely - you even defend his position. In before you explain that away or avoid answering that.

You are not just biased Blaine, you're a fucking hypocrite, and I've called you out for this exact behaviour before. I like you well enough for being a sport that helps out the Codex and generally being reasoned in an argument you have no stakes in. But don't lecture me on being impartial and how to frame a proper discussion. It's enough for the generation of a light nausea.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

Get off your high horse, Grunker.

 

[Blaine]

you're a fucking hypocrite

No, you've spin-doctored and misrepresented my position on Star Citizen in order to convince yourself that I can be arbitrarily discredited at the drop of a hat. What you've got is essentially a straw man, bent over backwards and twisted into a shape that fits your purposes, then used (once before, and now again) in place of a respectable counter-argument when you couldn't come up with anything better.

You sound like an arrogant cunt who's had a bit of college education and now believes he knows everything there is to know about everything. I'm an arrogant cunt too, and it takes one to know one. You're twenty-five years old—you don't know shit, relative to most adult human beings with a higher education. You perhaps ought to consider keeping that ego in check.

 

[Drakron]

Ok to get somewhat back on subject.

I dont think I am going to play this game even, it seems RSI is the typical American online company that is "the rest of the world outside NA doesnt exist" since the only option for Europe is PayPal and fuck that, considering the way this is going seem to be going with a cashshop this simply put me on the "you disgusting foreigner is not welcomed here" as they are too lazy to set up a european support site, meaning this is a NA only game, it will get worst if it actually fully crowd funded because at least with a proper publisher at least some attention to proper publishing outside NA would be given, considering their website and payment options being the laziest available I take this is not even going to Steam as its too much trouble.

So ... unless I see signs of this changing (and considering I actually had to make a account to see "not American? PayPal only euroscum" I have to say I cannot be interested since this is a game that is for a specific boy's club only.

 

[Grunker]

you're a fucking hypocrite

No, you've spin-doctored and misrepresented my position on Star Citizen in order to convince yourself that I can be arbitrarily discredited at the drop of a hat. What you've got is essentially a straw man, bent over backwards and twisted into a shape that fits your purposes, then used (once before, and now again) in place of a respectable counter-argument when you couldn't come up with anything better.

You sound like an arrogant cunt who's had a bit of college education and now believes he knows everything there is to know about everything. I'm an arrogant cunt too, and it takes one to know one. You're twenty-five years old—you don't know shit, relative to most adult human beings with a higher education. You perhaps ought to consider keeping that ego in check.

Oh no? Here's the kicker: You see two people arguing. You decide to level a high horse bullshit preaching about how to argue with pretty flowers directed at the one who calls someone "retarded" but otherwise makes a case for why his opponent's argument was bad. The one who called his opposition "scum", "cancer" and uses a completely obvious strawman (essentially, J_C's first post is just a blank opinion with no semblance of argument) you ignore completely - you even defend his position. In before you explain that away or avoid answering that.

I thought so. Instead of a reply, you just hurl some insults my way. Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Blaine]

I dont think I am going to play this game even, it seems RSI is the typical American online company that is "the rest of the world outside NA doesnt exist" since the only option for Europe is PayPal and fuck that, considering the way this is going seem to be going with a cashshop this simply put me on the "you disgusting foreigner is not welcomed here" as they are too lazy to set up a european support site, meaning this is a NA only game, it will get worst if it actually fully crowd funded because at least with a proper publisher at least some attention to proper publishing outside NA would be given, considering their website and payment options being the laziest available I take this is not even going to Steam as its too much trouble.

So ... unless I see signs of this changing (and considering I actually had to make a account to see "not American? PayPal only euroscum" I have to say I cannot be interested since this is a game that is for a specific boy's club only.

Bullshit, I just asked on the chatroll, and numerous Europeans piped up saying that Amazon Payments and credit cards are also accepted.

What country are you from?

 

[Blaine]

I thought so. Instead of a reply, you just hurl some insults my way. Thank you for proving my point.

The reply is that you sound like an arrogant know-it-all, denouncing others while indirectly painting yourself as the one with the sensible, correct viewpoint. I'm not sure how I should sugarcoat that to make it easier for you to swallow, but then again I doubt there's any way you'd accept the criticism or attempt to improve your behavior. I can certainly point out that I'm not the only one who's noticed.

It's your attitude, not mine, and your problem. No skin off my back.

Edit: Pointing to someone else and asking, "But why aren't you criticizing him, too?" is silly. I'm criticizing you because you stand out like a beacon in these sorts of arguments, and always do.

 

[Drakron]

And yes, I can get those other options to show up if I select USD ... Euro? You can see it yourself.

 

[Grunker]

Blaine: You seem satisfied with simply hurling insults. The moment you have an actual response to this:

What bias? My reply has nothing to do which side you're on in this debate.

Oh no? Here's the kicker: You see two people arguing. You decide to level a high horse bullshit preaching about how to argue with pretty flowers directed at the one who calls someone "retarded" but otherwise makes a case for why his opponent's argument was bad. The one who called his opposition "scum", "cancer" and uses a completely obvious strawman (essentially, J_C's first post is just a blank opinion with no semblance of argument) you ignore completely - you even defend his position.

you let me know. Until then, keep on hurlin'.

 

[Grunker]

I dont think I am going to play this game even, it seems RSI is the typical American online company that is "the rest of the world outside NA doesnt exist" since the only option for Europe is PayPal and fuck that, considering the way this is going seem to be going with a cashshop this simply put me on the "you disgusting foreigner is not welcomed here" as they are too lazy to set up a european support site, meaning this is a NA only game, it will get worst if it actually fully crowd funded because at least with a proper publisher at least some attention to proper publishing outside NA would be given, considering their website and payment options being the laziest available I take this is not even going to Steam as its too much trouble.

So ... unless I see signs of this changing (and considering I actually had to make a account to see "not American? PayPal only euroscum" I have to say I cannot be interested since this is a game that is for a specific boy's club only.

Bullshit, I just asked on the chatroll, and numerous Europeans piped up saying that Amazon Payments and credit cards are also accepted.

What country are you from?

Drakron: Just went into the shop to check with some random ship, and Blaine is correct. Something must be fucked up on your end or in your specific country. I'm from Denmark (which last I checked was in Europe):

 

[Drakron]

As I said, IF I select USD it shows the other options.

Its not IP checking, its just "USD=All Options/Euro=PayPal only".

 

[Grunker]

As I said, IF I select USD it shows the other options.

Sorry, I missed that part

EDIT: Why exactly is it important for you to pay in EURO? At least for me, conversion rates are pretty much identical as long as I pay via my bank.

 

[Mortmal]

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I don't get it. How do you, like, respect women in a game like this? Unless you're going out of your way to actively denigrate them, what can you do other than offering female avatars? What, dialogue choices that conspicuously say "As a woman..."? Rape pirate gangs that go around raping women and you have to put a stop to them? Romances?!

Its quite ovious, what she wants is an avatar she can identify herself too, not being enforced some pornstar model like in many many mmorpgs. I dont see it being a problem in star citizen if it keeps the same art direction as previous titles but theres a lack of concepts arts about avatars, no info at all. The respect part is simple too , moderating and muting the kids on the chat spamming racist and sexists insults all the time. Moderation , with the nice community we have online is mandatory.

 

[Blaine]

As I said, IF I select USD it shows the other options.

Its not IP checking, its just "USD=All Options/Euro=PayPal only".

So... why can't you just pay in USD? Will your issuing bank not handle the conversion automatically? I never run into these sorts of problems, being from the greatest country on Earth and all.

 

[Drakron]

As I said, IF I select USD it shows the other options.

Sorry, I missed that part

EDIT: Why exactly is it important for you to pay in EURO? At least for me, conversion rates are pretty much identical as long as I pay via my bank.

Its OK, I actually checked if that did anything and to my surprise it did.

No idea why they did this on a currency display level, USD/Euro/Etc.. usually only changes the listed prices, usually adding taxes with actual payment locks being set at account or IP level as it checks for location and doesnt let you buy stuff outside using those options.

As to why ... I select Euros because option is there and I am not going to be fucked over by banking "exchange ratios" were I can only say its a fucking robbery, picking USD would be doing exactly that with currency exchanges and all that bullshit they charge.

As I said, IF I select USD it shows the other options.

Its not IP checking, its just "USD=All Options/Euro=PayPal only".

So... why can't you just pay in USD? Will your issuing bank not handle the conversion automatically? I never run into these sorts of problems, being from the greatest country on Earth and all.

Thats not the issue to me, I like anonymous payments ... this is not anonymous and their payment options are incredible poor, they pretty much picked all the options were they dont have to pay anything and dont have to setup anything.

This to me says a lot.

 

[Blaine]

Its OK, I actually checked if that did anything and to my surprise it did.

No idea why they did this on a currency display level, USD/Euro/Etc.. usually only changes the listed prices, usually adding taxes with actual payment locks being set at account or IP level as it checks for location and doesnt let you buy stuff outside using those options.

Yeah, I figured they'd let you pay in USD.

The answer is probably that the new site's still not completely squared away.

 

[tuluse]

I think Amazon payments only handles dollars.

 

[Blaine]

Thats not the issue to me, I like anonymous payments ... this is not anonymous and their payment options are incredible poor, they pretty much picked all the options were they dont have to pay anything and dont have to setup anything.

This to me says a lot.

To me it says they'd rather not have third parties taking a significant cut if they can avoid it, which seems sensible. What other options were you hoping for?

 

[Drakron]

To me it says they'd rather not have third parties taking a significant cut if they can avoid it, which seems sensible. What other options were you hoping for?

Preferable PaySafe, Steam have that option.

There are other like Ultimate Card, also the usual trio of credit crads Visa/Master/Express ... but preferable something without actually connecting to a bank account or credit card, it makes not much sense since its not as if they intent on charging a subscription to play.

 

[J_C]

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"feminist scum are ruining vidya games" is a surefire way to state you are in the "retarded opposition" group. Anyone with a sensible non-WCDS/non-pseudo-academia-feminist approach wouldn't use retarded exaggeration like that about people they disagree with.

Point at all the video games that are being ruined by the few retards making more extremist claims than the sensible "maybe we can make better characters than Lara Croft"-crowd or GTFO.

Right now, it's some feminist trolls/idiots that don't understand the academia they think they're talking about versus a large group of entitled male gamers who eat the bait like it's candy.

Oh please, don't pretend like you don't read the theads on the Codex about some group pointing out the devs that they should allow gaysex-gay marriege, female hero in the Witcher or GTA and shit like that. And although many times the devs don't change the game (they can't do that for the Witcher of course), but there are times when they are bending. Like Larian redrawing the female modell, to show less skin. When Double Fine saying that they will allow gay heroes in Massive Chalice (the game might be a scam, I know, but lets just forget about that right now). And you know, it is not even the game being worse because of this, because most of the time it isn't. I don't care about females or gays in games, what I hate that they are pointing fingers at the devs, because they are the opressed minority. They try to press their opinion into the game. Bruhaha, I don't see other minorites cry and moan, and they are just as underrepresented as females and gays.

 

[Grunker]

Like Larian redrawing the female modell, to show less skin.

And now D:OS will surely be shit.

Retarded people fighting over retarded details.

Calling their opposition "scum" and "cancer".

 

[J_C]

Like Larian redrawing the female modell, to show less skin.

And now D:OS will surely be shit.

Retarded people finding over retarded details.

Fuck you! Fuck you if you don't want to understand what I'm saying.