Shadowrun Shadowrun Returns - Dead Man's Switch Original Campaign

[Shadenuat]

^ eh? what?

My point was that there wasn't any documentation. Read me wrong?

Not about your point, but the one above (x com vs. shadowrun descriptions)

 

[Grunker]

then why quote me

i dun get it

 

[Shadenuat]

Your button happened to be closest one just forget it.

 

[imweasel]

There really is no need for 2 threads about general discussion (spoiler and non-spoiler), seeing that we have

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[Jaz]

by how much exactly?

Who knows? Check the game's documentation

Oh wait.

at least shadowrun does provide relevant stats in most descriptions

where

There's a ton of blank parts everywhere in the system. To name a few things I can't answer straight, although I've beaten game three times and never had trouble in combat: I don't know what exactly STR does with damage, by what % Quickness or any skill modify attacks, how exactly Willpower protects against spells, what is my overall bonus to-hit, what is my average chance to dodge attacks, what does armor actually do and what types of damage it actually shrugs off, how much Biotech adds to medkits, how does ley lines multiply magic abilities, what is % bonus for each type of cover, what is that special cooldown system for magical healing effects that prevent heal spam, what are the stats of summons, what are the stats of ESP programs, what is the difference between blind, mind wipe and petrify effects, how does enemy morale work and how do will-targeting spells work with the morale... enough for now I think.

mostly things that I didn't really care about during my own playthrough, but yeah, this stuff was definitely missing. I was trying to say that shop items, like armor and weapons did have numbers in their descriptions, so you knew how they would affect certain stats. I only had to google smartlink weapons since the accuracy increase wasn't mentioned anywhere. inconsistent for sure, but not as bad as x-com. I can't remember a single stat being mentioned when picking new items for research, just a bunch of fancy science speak. you can only see the actual stat increase AFTER equipping the researched armor for example, which is unnecessary trial and error.

 

[Excidium]

Why do developers do shit like that FFS

And there's people who defend that shit.

 

[Liston]

Why do developers do shit like that FFS

And there's people who defend that shit.

Because most people just want to click that awesome button and look at shit exploding, they don't really want to think about bothersome things like rules or what is actually happening on the screen, God forbid to have a chance of failing. Even if there is extensive documentation only a small number of player will read it, and if you actually make it necessary to understand the rules to play the game that small number of player are going to be the only ones that play your game. So it is better to use the time necessary for writing documentation for implementing a couple of more shit that will explode when you click on it.

I'm not saying that this is necessary the case with SRR (they were extremely limited), but it is how the things usually go.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

Quick spoiler question: what type of spirit was that in the asylum?

 

[Bobbles]

The target audience for this game won't be clicking anything; at most they're tapping that awesome button.

 

[Name]

Speaking of which, some items in the shop or mercs runners in the hiring list have too long a description to fully visualize in their slot, which shiny buttons should I press to see them? I only tried mashing mouse buttons.

 

[Excidium]

Quick spoiler question: what type of spirit was that in the asylum?

Toxic

I assume you mean the one on the summon point?

 

[Major_Blackhart]

Where was it labeled as a Toxic, I'm curious.
I figured it was a corrupted spirit of some sort, but had no idea about it at all.

 

[Excidium]

Where was it labeled as a Toxic, I'm curious.
I figured it was a corrupted spirit of some sort, but had no idea about it at all.

On the editor

Unless you mean the crazy mutated monster the doctor calls? That's the troll that does the scalpel job for him

 

[dibens]

Holy shit, I can't beat Shadowrun Returns

Brotherhood quest didn't reward me with any nuyen, so I had no money left to hire a team for Renraku side mission ( Fuck that bitch Coyote for charging 1,5k to team with me, after all I've done to her). Anyway. Easy enough, I'll just do it solo, I thought to myself. Ho boy was I in for surprise. With proper use of barriers and hit-and-run tactics I managed to get past all the guards with no problems, but then was promptly raped by basilisks and that asshole mage that heals everyone. What's worse is that even top level spirits are useless as they get petrified, gang-raped by overwatching guards or breaking loose (even with a measly 10% chance, of course, because fuck you, dibens). Another thing that really grinds my penis is that pistol's Double Attack special takes 2AP to execute. What's the fucking point, then, especially since it doesn't work with revolvers. Tried the mission several times with varying degrees of success, even killed few basilisks, but no dice.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

LOL.

 

[Gondolin]

Go to the Copper Coronet and take some side quests.

<Excidium> Oh, wait...

 

[Bobbles]

Can't you just edit your save game and make yourself immortal or sth?

 

[Koschey]

Holy shit, I can't beat Shadowrun Returns

Brotherhood quest didn't reward me with any nuyen, so I had no money left to hire a team for Renraku side mission ( Fuck that bitch Coyote for charging 1,5k to team with me, after all I've done to her). Anyway. Easy enough, I'll just do it solo, I thought to myself. Ho boy was I in for surprise. With proper use of barriers and hit-and-run tactics I managed to get past all the guards with no problems, but then was promptly raped by basilisks and that asshole mage that heals everyone. What's worse is that even top level spirits are useless as they get petrified, gang-raped by overwatching guards or breaking loose (even with a measly 10% chance, of course, because fuck you, dibens). Another thing that really grinds my penis is that pistol's Double Attack special takes 2AP to execute. What's the fucking point, then, especially since it doesn't work with revolvers. Tried the mission several times with varying degrees of success, even killed few basilisks, but no dice.

When you meet with Baron Samedi, you can demand pay for the Telestrian run. I was able to negotiate for 75,000 nuyen. If you do, he will give you 8000 nuyen up front to hire runners. Although in that case you will probably miss the Renraku run.

Alternatively, if you absolutely don't want to miss the Renraku run, you could try scrounging up enough money to hire a rigger and exploit the hell out of the drones and shafts. Entering/exiting a shaft costs no AP, so you can lure enemies to them and afterwards come out, take two (or one, depending on rigging abilty) shots at the enemy with the drone, hide in the shaft and end turn.

Edit: Haven't tried a shaman yet myself, but I think spirits can also travel through shafts. Of course with those, you risk them breaking free by stalling.

 

[Ninjerk]

Just got SRR as a gift right as I was finishing TW1!

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Why do developers do shit like that FFS

And there's people who defend that shit.

Because most people just want to click that awesome button and look at shit exploding, they don't really want to think about bothersome things like rules or what is actually happening on the screen, God forbid to have a chance of failing. Even if there is extensive documentation only a small number of player will read it, and if you actually make it necessary to understand the rules to play the game that small number of player are going to be the only ones that play your game. So it is better to use the time necessary for writing documentation for implementing a couple of more shit that will explode when you click on it.

I'm not saying that this is necessary the case with SRR (they were extremely limited), but it is how the things usually go.

It's for immershun. A "flavorful" description supposedly makes you think harder about purchases instead of simply buying the item with bigger numbers attached to it, but that's if you ignore the fact no one actually likes to make uninformed purchases (not even the guys who just want to see shit exploding, because want to know how much bigger the explosions will be if they buy gun A instead of gun B).

 

[dibens]

Alternatively, if you absolutely don't want to miss the Renraku run, you could try scrounging up enough money to hire a rigger and exploit the hell out of the drones and shafts. Entering/exiting a shaft costs no AP, so you can lure enemies to them and afterwards come out, take two (or one, depending on rigging abilty) shots at the enemy with the drone, hide in the shaft and end turn.

Edit: Haven't tried a shaman yet myself, but I think spirits can also travel through shafts. Of course with those, you risk them breaking free by stalling.

Yeah, I already sold some of my equipped spells to hire a support mage for heals and AP goodness. I kinda fucked myself in the ass by playing an expensive hybrid class (conjuring spells, implants, totems), hiring runners for missions where I could do without and bribing people left and right. C&C.

Not sure spirits go through shafts, though.

 

[Elwro]

I had no money for the Renraku run so I used the 8000 nuyen you can get from Baron for his mission (with no haggling). Then you get at least 9000 from the Renraku run and you're set.

Major_Blackhart: that spirit was a level 4 abomination spirit. You can find an item which lets you summon it in the cemetery. I summoned the "Apocalypse" from the asylum environment and when it broke free I summoned my spirit only to be surprised at summoning exactly the same creature.

 

[Excidium]

Holy shit Mana Fist is pure garbage. Why do they even let shit like this out, it's worse than a regular punch

 

[Grunker]

Holy shit, I can't beat Shadowrun Returns

Brotherhood quest didn't reward me with any nuyen, so I had no money left to hire a team for Renraku side mission

Go to Johnny Clean, go into the Matrix, talk to Baron Samedi, get money, hire team, go to Renraku, complete mission, get more money, hire team, go to next story mission.

THANK YOU GRUNKER YOU ARE AWESOME

I know.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Multiple simultaneous and devasting defensive threads discussing the same things

My problem is mainly with this and the no-spoiler one

Exactly, we end up discussing the same stuff in the long run, the simple use of spoiler tags is enough for story related discussion.