Skyrim is worse than Oblivion in every way

[Metro]

The whole civil war quest line was poorly done and the 'battles' laughably bad. It would have been better to just skip those fights and put in more solo stuff like sabotage this mining outpost, gather these supplies, or kidnap this important official, etc.

Considering how much Bethesderp has them mirror the Roman/Byzantine Empires I wonder if they'll have the Argonians turn into the Ottoman Turks. Apparently per the lore timeline the lizards have taken over most of Morrowind. Maybe they march on Cyrodil next! Shallow C&C in TES 6L Black Marsh could be siding with the more nature/hippie oriented Argonians vs. the aggressive/expansionist Argonians.

 

[Commissar Draco]

At least thanks to it we have memorable names and places not random gibberish ala Anal-lure which proves that being original for original sake is both and overrated. Giving Dwarves Assyrian names and cultural traits was too. OK back to playing this shit.

 

[Caim]

Yeah, the whole "morally grey" thing became moot with the supreme dickishness of the Stormcloaks.

And for an evil occupying force the Empire seems pretty okay as far as they go.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

As bad as the Stormcloaks are, the Empire seems worse. The first appearance of the Empire has them trying to execute the protagonist, without any sort of trial, for allegedly trying to cross a border. That seems a little extreme. Then, after being rescued by contrived coincidence, you go inside the keep and see torture devices and the bodies of prisoners left to die in cages. You would have to be pretty fucked up to think that's acceptable.

According to the scribe the normal procedure is to have a trial, but Ulfric's presence (plus a bunch of stormcloaks) makes the officers jumpy and they just want to get it over with. If I was in charge of executing the leader of the Other Guys and some of his closer buddies, I probably wouldn't care too much about what happens to some petty criminals that were caught alongside them, either.

A reason to not immediately side with the stormcloaks is that an outsider probably has more motivation to try and prevent a bigger war from happening, than fighting for the right of some nords to worship their god and go independent (at the cost of inviting elven rape into the country). At first I was tempted to believe the imperial legion was supposed to be the "CLEARLY EVIL" option and followed the stormcloak dude into the keep, then I realized Blue Team didn't really care about you either. They're all fine with you dying together with them (the horse thief even gets a "lololo die like a man you pussy" talking from that stormcloak guy when he starts freaking out over being executed too).

 

[Metro]

The unfortunate thing (lore-wise) is that since each successive TES entry advances the calendar a few hundred years the whole Thalmor thing will be irrelevant come TES 6.

 

[Caim]

The unfortunate thing (lore-wise) is that since each successive TES entry advances the calendar a few hundred years the whole Thalmor thing will be irrelevant come TES 6.

Um, what? TES 1 to 4 take place over a period of 34 years.

 

[Metro]

Ah. I only vaguely remember the storyline of Daggerfall. Oblivion... just... yeah. I only played it for about ten or so hours.

 

[Turisas]

Um, what? TES 1 to 4 take place over a period of 34 years.

Sure, but there's the 200 year gap between Oblivion and Skyrim. They might do a similar leap again, who knows.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Um, what? TES 1 to 4 take place over a period of 34 years.

Sure, but there's the 200 year gap between Oblivion and Skyrim. They might do a similar leap again, who knows.

Don't think that'll happen soon, the time skip was used because there wasn't anything else interesting happening at the time. The Thalmor already created enough geopolitical "movement" to justify a couple of games.

 

[Turisas]

Yup, inclined to agree of course, but you never know with Bethesda these days. The dwemer might return in big spaceships, because Todd had this great idea about p. cool deep space elves. Hurr hurr, get it? Deep space elves!

 

[baturinsky]

I think only logical way for a Dragonborn in given situation is to follow Tiber Septim footsteps. But strangely, there is no such option.

 

[Minttunator]

Vladimir Kulich was wasted on a lame twat like Ulfric Stormcloak.

I agree, but it also seemed to me that Vladimir really phoned it in, i.e. this is definitely far from his best work.

 

[Caim]

Vladimir Kulich was wasted on a lame twat like Ulfric Stormcloak.

I agree, but it also seemed to me that Vladimir really phoned it in, i.e. this is definitely far from his best work.

But then again, this is hardly the best work Vladimir Kulich appeared in.

 

[Minttunator]

Yeah, that goes without saying. :D

 

[Bahamut]

Vladimir Kulich was wasted on a lame twat like Ulfric Stormcloak.

I agree, but it also seemed to me that Vladimir really phoned it in, i.e. this is definitely far from his best work.

For me it really seems that voice recording in bethesda looks like, "please read what you have on paper, thank you, next!"

 

[Clockwork Knight]

That implies there's a director supervising the VAs during the recording, which is unlikely. They probably just leave a note clipped to the script, saying "Read this in front of the mic, and don't forget to turn off the lights and lock the door when you're done. Peace!".

 

[DraQ]

I'm too lazy to do it manually.

Really.
Instead of being fucking happy that you can mod your game without hex-editing binaries by hand you complain that you have to unpack an archive and a check a box on a list.

GTFO, you're not worthy of being part of the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race.

Spoiler

Not having read ALL of this thread...and having studied and played and made mods for the last three of this series, yes i agree, Skyrim is a step back. Oblvoin remains superior even in graphics

That's just bullshit.
Oblivion is hardly superior to Chinese Water Torture, let alone Skyrim.

Skyrim may have simpler meshes and geometry, but it has better textures and far superior art direction which is more important than raw graphics potential.
It also uses graphics effects in smart and economic way (limited bloom and no DoF unless in menu, underwater or during bad weather), while in oblivious everything was bloom and specular covering up smudgy textures, potato faces and bland design.

the lighting in interiors in Skyrim is totally the worst I have ever seen in a RPG or any 3D world for that matter

Actually I can sort of agree on that. Beth seems to have cut a few corners to make the game run on ancient hardware of x-pox 360 and that includes substituting single source lighting wherever they could make it look kind of ok-ish with multiple supposed light sources (for example - a lot of candles around the room? stick single source sort of in the middle and tweak it up a bit, maybe no one will notice).

Storywise also bad

Worse than "durr you're an escaped convict standing over the emprah's corpse with bloody sword in one hand and empire's most important jewel in the other, emprah's personal bodyguard executes you on the spot sends you unsupervised to deliver this item, also emprah was Tiber Septim's direct descendant even though he was not. Also Byzantium in jungle morphed into temperate medieval genercifantasyland of forest and meadows for no fucking reason."?
Yeah, no seriously, *everything* is better than oblivion in terms of story.

This includes Skyrim by default.

and the setting is grim

Better than cheerfully banal setting of oblivion with no politics, culture, tensions or anything.
Not as good as Morrowind's (obviously), but pretty good overall. At least it doesn't make you want to puke a fucking rainbow.

Too bad, as i had hopes for it.

Well, boo hoo. I had no hopes for it and it turned out quite decent apart from atrocious dumbing down of quests and mechanics.
And a lot of what didn't turn out decent could be modded into awesome, unlike Oblivion, where the fixing would have to begin with doing non-derpy gameworld from scratch.

I am about to release a mega mod for Oblvion

Too bad no one remotely sane will bother to play it, because, you know, oblivion.

Seriously, the only Oblivion mod I would be interested in would be re-doing the game, at least in terms of setting and story, from scratch. You can start by wiping the worldmap, then filling most of it with Imperial City surrounded by lake Raumare. That should give you enough scale to work with.

Even then, such a mod would probably work better done in Morrowind or Skyrim (using assets from that derpy tropical Skyrim mod, or maybe Moonpaths).
At least NPCs wouldn't look like malformed tubers about to be incinerated by a nuclear fireball.

 

[Manjuice Nutella]

Interesting NPCs v3.0 is out now.

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/8429/

Probably not since I don't have any file hosting accounts and I'm too lazy to make one for this one thing.

http://www.speedyshare.com/ Didn't require anything last time I checked.

I would be grateful, unfortunately I don't have access to Steam workshop.

 

[Multiple Sarcasm]

Would you Requiem players recommend installing stuff like Frostfall and Realistic Needs, or would it make the game more chore than fun?

 

[Metro]

Ultimately it doesn't matter

Interesting NPCs v3.0 is out now.

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/8429/

Probably not since I don't have any file hosting accounts and I'm too lazy to make one for this one thing.

http://www.speedyshare.com/ Didn't require anything last time I checked.

I would be grateful, unfortunately I don't have access to Steam workshop.

Naga are you telling me with all the other shit you've D1P'ed you pirated this? Anyway, still too lazy. It's just a crappy arena mod.

 

[Gord]

Interesting NPCs v3.0 is out now.

I played with an older version of that. Some NPCs seemed well done to me, esp. some of the companions were much better than vanilla, with different lines of text for locations you visited and such.
However, there was also a lot of clichè stuff in it. Seemed a bit hit or miss.

 

[Manjuice Nutella]

Naga are you telling me with all the other shit you've D1P'ed you pirated this? Anyway, still too lazy. It's just a crappy arena mod.

I never said I did. But even if I did, it would be mainly for ideological reasons. I still regret buying New Vegas as all I did was support those who royally fucked Obsidian over.

with all the other shit you've D1P'ed

What are you talking about?

 

[DraQ]

D1P = Day One Purchase.

 

[Lhynn]

D1P = Day One Purchase.

Isnt that the equivalent of being a retard when it comes to games? Especially when we are talking about triple A games.

 

[DraQ]

D1P = Day One Purchase.

Isnt that the equivalent of being a retard when it comes to games?

Yes.