Star Wars: The Old Republic will kill WoW - outsourced to Broadsword

[ohWOW]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWIX3YT0nPA

CAN YOU REALLY MAKE A SUCH BLOB-MAN IN GAME?

11/10


I can't get to finish this video, it's killing me

 

[felipepepe]

CAN YOU REALLY MAKE A SUCH BLOB-MAN IN GAME?

They're concious of their target audinece wanting to play as thenselves in-game.

And man, that Bioshock intro is glorious, I watched it 3 times before seeing the rest of the video.

 

[DraQ]

Oops. Critical miss. BioWarez got killed instead (and EA mortally wounded)!
It's like Ian with a SMG Marcus with Bozar.

Fix'd.

 

[Mangoose]

SWTOR probably has more endgame that GW2, how scary is that.

>Liking endgames.

 

[Azrael the cat]

...according to my customer.

I just talked to the guy and this is what he's claiming based on his beta experiences and comparing with his extensive experience in/with WoW.

Now I fully realize every big MMO that comes out is always touted as being a potential WoW-killer, but this is a guy who took WoW so seriously that he spent over $5000.00 with me for a killer gaming rig about 4 years ago, used almost exclusively for his WoW addiction. I know that sounds ridiculous too, but hey, it's his money. This guy is actually "hip", as well; he owns his own tattoo shop here where I live and is not the nerdy-type. Dude showed me his skills on his new rig once it was up and running, and how good he was at PvP'ing with his assassin (?) in WoW and I was blown away. He certainly knew his way around a keyboard, that's for sure.

So he's saying that the game is looking so good it's going to spell trouble for Blizzard, which may be inevitable anyway. But he's saying it's so smooth, such a huge game and that there's so much to do in, as well as being innovative enough, that it can't miss. I never knew the original WoW design crew was hired by BioWare to do this game, and he says it shows. He's already addicted to it and I'm hoping he drops another 5K on a new rig just for it.

Thought I'd share. I normally don't buy into this kind of hype for MMO's (only TES titles) but this guy has no reason to overly exaggerate or to bullshit me.

It should be interesting.

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh wow

 

[DraQ]

They're concious of their target audinece wanting to play as thenselves in-game.

You actually can?

Yes. They do know their target audience. Shit, would love to see such a bouncing blob engaged in fast paced lightsaber combat, it has to be comical.

I skimmed through the video.

5) TOR ignores established SW lore.
- No-one gives a shit about SW lore. If the game is good they'd play it regardless.

I think people do give shit about lore in general, but I can't imagine anyone worth their salt caring about prequels or EU.

The whole idea behind SW:TOR was to attract players other than the standard MMO crowd not caring about story and its presentation, by putting such a focus on dialogues, etc. Plus the normal MMO people, of course.

That experiment has obviously failed. As a story driven-game, real story-driven games beat it easily and due to BioWares ressources being spent on that aspect, other aspects had to suffer.

Well, duh.

MMO and story driven don't mesh and I find it hard to understand why anyone would expect them to. MMOs are social games - you either keep scripting to minimum and create something like EVE, or make a themeark like WoW and let people do whatever dumbfucks like to do in WoW.

Voiceacting, cutscenes and emoshunal engagement only get in the way of MMO gameplay, while MMO gameplay only gets in the way of story-centric stuff.

 

[Grunker]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWIX3YT0nPA

First two minutes:

 

[Jaesun]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWIX3YT0nPA

THAT was hysterical.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Wow, riccotello really does look like the emperor.

 

[Bigg Boss]

So is Old Republic killing WoW yet? Yeah, that was never gonna happen. Massive consolidation into fewer servers=Epic fail.

 

[Syl]

"WoW is dead." TOR, 20th December 2011.

"TOR is dead." WoW, September 2012.

 

[Angthoron]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWIX3YT0nPA

THAT was hysterical.

The second guy could really like be not eating and talking both at once. Maybe that's supposed to be for comedic purposes or some shit, but it's not Plinkett and it ain't funny.

 

[Commissar Draco]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWIX3YT0nPA

Glorious

Wanted to try it for free but 30 gigs at 17KB/S and game looks and plays worse than KOTOR... Banal Shit Boring.

 

[Kane]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWIX3YT0nPA

First two minutes:

It actually gets reallly interesting at the end, where he tells us that bioware bought an unfinished, bugged and undocumented engine and had the handful of genuine coders fix it while competing against the onslaught of writefags and artistfags.

AND THEY WONDER WHY THE GAME IS SHIT

 

[Angthoron]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWIX3YT0nPA

First two minutes:

It actually gets reallly exiting at the end, where he tells us that bioware bought an unfinished, bugged and undocumented engine and had the handful of genuine coders fix it while competing against the onslaught of writefags and artistfags.

AND THEY WONDER WHY THE GAME IS SHIT

The game is shit because of shit leads, shit design directions and because it was destined to be shit. The engine is the least problem with that pile of turds, really.

 

[Grunker]

Pretty much.

 

[Kane]

We have different opinions on the matter then. The engine is the most important choice in game design, because it sets the boundaries on what you can do. If your engine is shit, there is no way you can de-shit your game, irregardless of the amount of artists you throw at it.

 

[felipepepe]

No matter how shitty the engine is, stuff like bland art direction, all races looking the same, the classes being cloned from WoW and other "features" of this game are more than enough to sink it.

 

[Commissar Draco]

I Brofist RAW here where Engine is shit you won't make diamonds even with good writers and graphics... which Tortanic had neither.

 

[Angthoron]

I Brofist RAW here where Engine is shit you won't make diamonds even with good writers and graphics... which Tortanic had neither.

Which is precisely my point. So what if they'd have a stellar engine, the head of the project said that an unbaked, unfinished engine was exactly what TOR needed. TOR suddenly having the best engine the industry could offer wouldn't change the fucked decision to go with Dialogue Wheel Bonanza, nor would it suddenly de-clonify the WoW mechanics. Or maybe the art direction would be less bland and the locations less boring? Narp. Sure, engines are very important, and I wasn't saying they aren't, I'm just saying that it's still just one problem out of dozens, and when a lead goes and purchases an engine like that, you know the project has bigger engines than the said engine.

 

[Infinitron]

A bad engine can definitely fuck up games (Ultima IX, DX:IW and TDS), but yeah, it's probably not the primary culprit here.

 

[Grunker]

(Ultima IX, DX:IW and TDS)

all of these games would be insanely horrible no matter the engine, you're basically proving angthoron's point with those examples

 

[Black]

We have different opinions on the matter then. The engine is the most important choice in game design, because it sets the boundaries on what you can do. If your engine is shit, there is no way you can de-shit your game, irregardless of the amount of artists you throw at it.

Torment is good despite using a shitty engine

 

[Infinitron]

(Ultima IX, DX:IW and TDS)

all of these games would be insanely horrible no matter the engine, you're basically proving angthoron's point with those examples

False. If you read about the long and storied development history of Ultima IX, it's obvious that they had to chop the game up because of engine limitations and technological overreach.

EDIT: Here, read my first ever post on the Codex: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/ultima-9s-bob-white-plot-full-docs.60870/

 

[Kane]

We have different opinions on the matter then. The engine is the most important choice in game design, because it sets the boundaries on what you can do. If your engine is shit, there is no way you can de-shit your game, irregardless of the amount of artists you throw at it.

Torment is good despite using a shitty engine

I was actually going to add that as "THE ONE BIG EXCEPTION!!!11". And the only reason why PS:T manages that is because its story is good enough to be put into a book.

 

[Kane]

I Brofist RAW here where Engine is shit you won't make diamonds even with good writers and graphics... which Tortanic had neither.

Which is precisely my point. So what if they'd have a stellar engine, the head of the project said that an unbaked, unfinished engine was exactly what TOR needed. TOR suddenly having the best engine the industry could offer wouldn't change the fucked decision to go with Dialogue Wheel Bonanza, nor would it suddenly de-clonify the WoW mechanics. Or maybe the art direction would be less bland and the locations less boring? Narp. Sure, engines are very important, and I wasn't saying they aren't, I'm just saying that it's still just one problem out of dozens, and when a lead goes and purchases an engine like that, you know the project has bigger engines than the said engine.

It would've still been shit. I am not arguing that SWTOR would've been not shit if they had a good engine, all I was saying is that you have to try pretty hard (as in PS:T hard) to make a good game on a shitty engine. You have to realize that most people play games because of the gameplay and read books for stories. Good gameplay on a shitty engine is something I have yet to discover.