Starfield Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Swen]

 

[Alienman]

Seems IGN played the game to the end this time, instead of slapping 10 out of 10 after playing the first chapter.

 

[Morgoth]

Reality is hitting the Steam forums. The Bethesda fools were ensnared by Todd's charms again.

 

[Zeriel]

Much of the scope and scale is an illusion, says soy boy Luke Stephens

This isn't surprising to anyone who has been through this circus before. It's the same thing as Skyrim and Oblivion's PR. Remember infinite quests you can play forever and "you can change the economy of a town by sabotaging an orchard!". In game this was the same "steal/kill someone at X randomly created location with no story elements", and a one-off story quest in Thieves Guild that had zero overall consequences to the game world, respectively.

This probably still ends up being a better game than most of the stuff we're getting nowadays, though, as at least Bethesda isn't terminally woke. Not even sure what the more decline thing is nowadays, honestly. Is good game mechanics but infested with rank mental illness better than bad game mechanics/casual mode with less mental illness?

 

[IDtenT]

This thing never had a chance in the year of Baldings gate 3

I'm happy I don't play games anymore.

 

[Vyvian]

I'm extremely disappointed at the lack of imagination more than anything.
It's fucking space Todd, you can do anything you want, have weird alien societies and factions, crazy quests but you stick to boring ass Humans that you could copy/paste into a Fallout world and still have the same feel.

 

[Caim]

In space, nobody can hear you say it just works.

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

"you can change the economy of a town by sabotaging an orchard!"

Wasn't this said by Molyneux about Fable?

 

[Stavrophore]

Its still creation engine, any hopium that they will massively rewrite the engine so you would have something like open cities mod for skyrim and no loading screen between buildings and exteriors was completely unwarranted. I will have any hope for good bethesda game when they will finally ditch this engine.

 

[Moink]

Much of the scope and scale is an illusion, says soy boy Luke Stephens

Crimson Fleet is apparently the best questline (MSQ is 15 hours and mostly fetch quests) but he had to start a new save to play through it because the quest NPC floated away through a wall and into space when he was talking to him.

 

[Child of Malkav]

GmanShills also went down. He could probably retire with the amount of money Todd gave him.

 

[Zarniwoop]

At the end of the day it's about creating a 4k rendered image at acceptable framerates. Current Gen Consoles (and GPUs) simply can't do that without up-scaling tricks.

A fucking Geforce 2 could do it.

Developers got lazy because of hueg shader and VRAM budgets. Instead of making games look better and run in higher resolutions, they just made them perform the same and use a fuckload more textures.

 

[Yosharian]

I think we need to take a moment to remember that IGN is a platform cannot be trusted

 

[Moink]

The MSQ sent him to randomly generated locations, most of which he had either seen before (down to enemy placements and loot) or would see again multiple times in the next 20/30 hours.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Some interesting comments on the gameplay in the last part of the video:

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

Some interesting comments on the gameplay in the last part of the video:

Time stamp?

 

[JamesDixon]

Imagine that Empyrion Galactic Survival is a superior game with 10's of thousands of planets in individual star systems that are all procedurally generated with no loading screens. You can build your own hover vehicles, small vessels, and capital ships with any architecture you desire.

 

[Silverfish]

Go get your asshole stretched by a bear. You are the NPC meme.

Real gamers wait for the EmptyHero review.

 

[Lyric Suite]

You know the Codex is full of fags now if people are genuinely, unironitcally considering playing this normie filth.

You know you will be playing and posting opinions in 2 weeks time, like you did with Baldur's Gate 3.

I made an exception with BG3 because i was curious to see how far down the rabbit hole went and ended up giving up on it because the writing pissed me off, but you knew that already.

With that said, i'll say it right here and now: BG3 is likely the superior game in every way possible, despite the faggotry and the poz.

Bethesda are the kings of mediocrity, ineptitude and stupidity. You would have to try really, REALLY hard to make a worst game than them.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

https://bgr.com/entertainment/starf...ery-bethesda-game-but-not-quite-an-evolution/

Starfield is an amalgam of every Bethesda game, but not quite an evolution​

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One mission had me searching for a specific location on an uninhabited planet. I misunderstood the (admittedly simple) instructions, so I spent the next twenty minutes traveling from landmark to landmark fairly aimlessly. I’ll try to avoid the comparisons to No Man’s Sky, but Starfield similarly equips you with a scanner that you can use to discover points of interest around the planets so you don’t have to wander in circles.

This is where I started to see the cracks in the foundation.

Save for a few rocks to mine or creatures to kill, there was virtually nothing to do on this planet. In No Man’s Sky, if you happen to land in an especially lifeless area of a planet, you can just hop back in your ship and fly a few miles in any direction until you find something worth exploring. In Starfield, there are only a few preset landing spots on every planet. And on a vast majority of those planets, there’s very little to see or do once you land.

This was especially jarring because it’s counter to everything that has made previous Bethesda games shine. You couldn’t walk for ten minutes in any direction in Oblivion or Skyrim without stumbling upon a new quest, a strange NPC, or a tempting cave. And while the post-apocalypse of Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 is more desolate than the high fantasy world of Tamriel, there’s a terrifying threat around nearly every corner trying to kill you.

Starfield might have more to do than all four of the games I mentioned above, but it’s spread out over a universe far, far larger than all of their game worlds combined.

This wouldn’t be nearly as big an obstacle if actually playing the game was more dynamic and interesting. While Starfield contains elements of several other Bethesda games, it’s most similar to Fallout due to the fact that the combat revolves around guns. Unlike Fallout, Starfield doesn’t have a V.A.T.S. system to give players granular control of their shots. Starfield also doesn’t have a cover system like Gears of War or any of the modern conveniences of most recent first- and third-person shooters. Instead, you shoot bullet-sponge enemies over and over again until they die. Rinse and repeat. There are a wide variety of guns to choose from, as well as explosives and melee weapons, but this is far from the most engaging combat system in an RPG.

Space combat is just as rote, and although swapping energy between the ship’s systems to divert more power to the shields or get your grav drive ready in order to escape a lopsided fight can be exhilarating, shooting other ships isn’t all that different from shooting other people. I certainly haven’t gone out of my way to engage in space combat so far.

It’s a shame because, despite my grievances, I can’t wait to spend more time with Starfield. The space exploration group you join early on in the story, Constellation, is full of some of the most well-written and entertaining characters Bethesda has ever created. And there are so many gameplay systems I’ve yet to dive into. I’ve only built a single small outpost, but I already have plans for a thriving space colony where I’ll station my most talented companions.

There were concerns early on that Starfield was too big for its own good. I think those concerns were justified. This game simply doesn’t take advantage of this developer’s or their engine’s best assets. And yet, it has done enough to hook me, at least to see the story through. More than anything, I’m excited to see what the modding community will do with Starfield once they get their hands on it. Maybe they can finish what Bethesda started.

Ruh roh. Looks like the reviews are on the tepid side.

 

[Zarniwoop]

https://bgr.com/entertainment/starf...ery-bethesda-game-but-not-quite-an-evolution/

Starfield is an amalgam of every Bethesda game, but not quite an evolution​

...
One mission had me searching for a specific location on an uninhabited planet. I misunderstood the (admittedly simple) instructions, so I spent the next twenty minutes traveling from landmark to landmark fairly aimlessly. I’ll try to avoid the comparisons to No Man’s Sky, but Starfield similarly equips you with a scanner that you can use to discover points of interest around the planets so you don’t have to wander in circles.

This is where I started to see the cracks in the foundation.

Save for a few rocks to mine or creatures to kill, there was virtually nothing to do on this planet. In No Man’s Sky, if you happen to land in an especially lifeless area of a planet, you can just hop back in your ship and fly a few miles in any direction until you find something worth exploring. In Starfield, there are only a few preset landing spots on every planet. And on a vast majority of those planets, there’s very little to see or do once you land.

This was especially jarring because it’s counter to everything that has made previous Bethesda games shine. You couldn’t walk for ten minutes in any direction in Oblivion or Skyrim without stumbling upon a new quest, a strange NPC, or a tempting cave. And while the post-apocalypse of Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 is more desolate than the high fantasy world of Tamriel, there’s a terrifying threat around nearly every corner trying to kill you.

Starfield might have more to do than all four of the games I mentioned above, but it’s spread out over a universe far, far larger than all of their game worlds combined.

This wouldn’t be nearly as big an obstacle if actually playing the game was more dynamic and interesting. While Starfield contains elements of several other Bethesda games, it’s most similar to Fallout due to the fact that the combat revolves around guns. Unlike Fallout, Starfield doesn’t have a V.A.T.S. system to give players granular control of their shots. Starfield also doesn’t have a cover system like Gears of War or any of the modern conveniences of most recent first- and third-person shooters. Instead, you shoot bullet-sponge enemies over and over again until they die. Rinse and repeat. There are a wide variety of guns to choose from, as well as explosives and melee weapons, but this is far from the most engaging combat system in an RPG.

Space combat is just as rote, and although swapping energy between the ship’s systems to divert more power to the shields or get your grav drive ready in order to escape a lopsided fight can be exhilarating, shooting other ships isn’t all that different from shooting other people. I certainly haven’t gone out of my way to engage in space combat so far.

It’s a shame because, despite my grievances, I can’t wait to spend more time with Starfield. The space exploration group you join early on in the story, Constellation, is full of some of the most well-written and entertaining characters Bethesda has ever created. And there are so many gameplay systems I’ve yet to dive into. I’ve only built a single small outpost, but I already have plans for a thriving space colony where I’ll station my most talented companions.

There were concerns early on that Starfield was too big for its own good. I think those concerns were justified. This game simply doesn’t take advantage of this developer’s or their engine’s best assets. And yet, it has done enough to hook me, at least to see the story through. More than anything, I’m excited to see what the modding community will do with Starfield once they get their hands on it. Maybe they can finish what Bethesda started.

Ruh roh. Looks like the reviews are on the tepid side.

Problem, Bethesda?

 

[Zeriel]

I'm extremely disappointed at the lack of imagination more than anything.
It's fucking space Todd, you can do anything you want, have weird alien societies and factions, crazy quests but you stick to boring ass Humans that you could copy/paste into a Fallout world and still have the same feel.

It was baked in when they went with the NASA thing. That being said I think they could have made it more interesting by essentially making factions of humans more distinguished to the point that they ARE practically aliens. This is more or less what The Expanse did.

Hell, Escape Velocity Nova while it had actual alien races, also had human factions that were so different from each other in feeling that they might as well have been different races in the vein of TES. If you think about it this is a huge failure of imagination. After all, what are TES races except fantasy reflections of real world human kingdoms and empires? Bretons are Brits with some elf flavor, Imperials are of course Romans, etc. If you can't differentiate actual humans that were the source for fantasy exoticness from each other, the problem lies not in the concept, it lies in your inability to execute and be creative.

Instead of making every space faction be westerners with different skin colors, they could have made each faction very distinct by using real world cultures as a base. Admittedly, the woke crowd would have went absolutely ballistic if you leaned into such stereotypes... but personally I don't care, so I'd still say it's a missed opportunity.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Time coded: 12:58
lol. look at the NPC quest givers just float away.

Like one of Todd's development promises. "Nope, not really!"

 

[Hace El Oso]

I made an exception with BG3 because i was curious to see how far down the rabbit hole went and ended up giving up on it because the writing pissed me off, but you knew that already.

With that said, i'll say it right here and now: BG3 is likely the superior game in every way possible, despite the faggotry and the poz.

Bethesda are the kings of mediocrity, ineptitude and stupidity. You would have to try really, REALLY hard to make a worst game than them.

In Anno Domini 2023 I am willing to accept lower standards for a game in exchange for a lower amount of deranged liberasts either making it or visible in it.

That said, it's looking more and more like Starfield doesn't meet even that generously lower standard.

I'm extremely disappointed at the lack of imagination more than anything.
It's fucking space Todd, you can do anything you want, have weird alien societies and factions, crazy quests but you stick to boring ass Humans that you could copy/paste into a Fallout world and still have the same feel.

It was baked in when they went with the NASA thing. That being said I think they could have made it more interesting by essentially making factions of humans more distinguished to the point that they ARE practically aliens. This is more or less what The Expanse did.

Hell, Escape Velocity Nova while it had actual alien races, also had human factions that were so different from each other in feeling that they might as well have been different races in the vein of TES. If you think about it this is a huge failure of imagination. After all, what are TES races except fantasy reflections of real world human kingdoms and empires? Bretons are Brits with some elf flavor, Imperials are of course Romans, etc. If you can't differentiate actual humans that were the source for fantasy exoticness from each other, the problem lies not in the concept, it lies in your inability to execute and be creative.

Aliens are unnecessary and usually an indictment against the creativity of the author more than anything else. Humans, especially different national/racial groups are already so wildly 'alien' to one another when taken in a pure form that you don't need to add tentacles or paint them green to explore it. But you see this less and less because almost nobody is really worldly anymore and even if they 'travel' they only go to areas with the same boring globalised liberast culture.

What Orson Scott Card did with the Catholic Portuguese planetary settlers, Heinlein with the Russians on Luna, was vastly more interesting than anything done with actual aliens and it doesn't take literature to get that across. But nobody is packing that equipment anymore, and even if they were it wouldn't be considered acceptable (or even believable) as it goes against a globalist world view.

 

[racofer]

The game basically requires you to run FSR to maintain decent performance. Even CP2077 ran better than this turd while delivering waaaaay better graphics.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/starfield-pc-performance-best-settings-fsr-2/

As mentioned, each of the graphics presets in Starfield automatically turn FSR 2 on. The Ultra preset uses a 75% render resolution, High uses a 62% render resolution, and both Medium and Low use 50%. Those changes have a massive impact on performance.