Starfield Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[DJOGamer PT]

yes they are not orgyinal. its not like its part of decades long planned programming by deep state to prepare controlled alien disclousure to the cattle, i mean general human population, and present hostile ets as angel like saviours of humanity.

oh wait it actually is.


btw most if not all residents of swastika shaped nazi base on dark side of moon were recently liquified by aliens after they done enough repair to pre adamite tech there. nazi scum so weak and gullible.

This poster is going places...

 

[kain30]

maybe he was high on drugs by the time he wrote that.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

then judging by his post history, he seems to be high all the time he comes here...

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

I hope the main character is a blank slate. Also fuck Todd for being juvenile and personally responsible for blocking tiddies in BS games.

 

[Cyberarmy]

I hope the main character is a blank slate.

He'll be a Dragonborn clone who have been kept in a cryostatis chamber for 25.000 years.(ancient dwarven tech, they are actual aliens, just like dragons!)

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

yes they are not orgyinal. its not like its part of decades long planned programming by deep state to prepare controlled alien disclousure to the cattle, i mean general human population, and present hostile ets as angel like saviours of humanity.

oh wait it actually is.


btw most if not all residents of swastika shaped nazi base on dark side of moon were recently liquified by aliens after they done enough repair to pre adamite tech there. nazi scum so weak and gullible.

I read your post 5 times in a row, and I still don't know what you're saying.

i thought i was as blunt and direct as a brick to the head, but let me know what part is unclear.

That part where there are nazis on the dark side of the moon is unclear. How can you claim this when the moon is a hologram?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

yes they are not orgyinal. its not like its part of decades long planned programming by deep state to prepare controlled alien disclousure to the cattle, i mean general human population, and present hostile ets as angel like saviours of humanity.

oh wait it actually is.


btw most if not all residents of swastika shaped nazi base on dark side of moon were recently liquified by aliens after they done enough repair to pre adamite tech there. nazi scum so weak and gullible.

I read your post 5 times in a row, and I still don't know what you're saying.

i thought i was as blunt and direct as a brick to the head, but let me know what part is unclear.

That part where there are nazis on the dark side of the moon is unclear. How can you claim this when the moon is a hologram?

Holonazis

 

[rusty_shackleford]

i love 2022posters, idk why people keep complaining about them

 

[Red7]

I hope the main character is a blank slate. Also fuck Todd for being juvenile and personally responsible for blocking tiddies in BS games.

u dont want todds made titties anyway. leave that to jap modders.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

i love 2022posters, idk why people keep complaining about them

Because they generally aren't this... colorful
They're just mostly stupid and annoying

 

[ferratilis]

The best thing about this game will be Crowbcat's compilation of bugs/Todd's lies.

 

[Ryzer]

The best thing about this game will be Crowbcat's compilation of bugs/Todd's lies.

They always say this but in the end, you are going to play Todd's game and enjoy it secretly.

 

[ropetight]

Todd just said that the chess-club-membery StrangerThingy geeky persona, that he likes to wear in public like Buffalo Bill wears women skin jackets, really liked two games - Sundog: Frozen Legacy from Apple II and Traveller tabletop.

This name-dropping should ensure that his primary milkcows, GenX-ers, get all misty in the eyes and preorder his new game that will be just the same in the spirit of those legendary games that formed them into SF exploration game lovers.

You have to admire his effort: he will not name-drop Elite or something else too well known or mundane.



Really, I will not hold it against Todd if he produces another bland, unfinished open-world mirage hyped to the sky.
That is who he and Bethesda are - sellers of bland, unfinished open-world mirages.

But to think that it will work again after all the bullshit they pulled with F4 and F76 is somewhat insulting and disheartening.
Anyways...

 

[racofer]

But to think that it will work again after all the bullshit they pulled with F4 and F76 is somewhat insulting and disheartening.

It's actually a pretty accurate estimation. Bugthesdards will consume every last drop of Todd's diarrhea as if it were ambrosia. Then, proceed to apply chocolate sprinkles (aka mods) into it for the next decade, drink a few gallons of copium, and in the spirit of their God the Todd, attempt to sell their abomination as the best thing ever at every opportunity. It's a vicious cycle that's been perpetrated for over 20 years now, and judging by the already hopeful comments not only here but in other places that usually bash anything from bugthesda, it will continue for at least another decade.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Todd just said that the chess-club-membery StrangerThingy geeky persona, that he likes to wear in public like Buffalo Bill wears women skin jackets, really liked two games - Sundog: Frozen Legacy from Apple II and Traveller tabletop.

The protagonist of Sundog: Frozen Legacy by FTL was their inspiration for the character Zed Duke of Banville in FTL's next game, Dungeon Master:

 

[Bliblablubb]

The main quest will focus on the search for progenitors, an ancient alien civilization that created life on Earth. So you'll be searching for mankind's dad.

I can already see Bethesda's trademark writing skills at work:
"Have you seen our progenitors? Average height, average looks. They haven't been seen for millions of years."

Then the NPC will mark it on your map.

Later: "Another progenitor needs your help!"

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

MQ should be:
Your young child was kidnapped by an unknown psycho, who is surely planning to do terrible, terrible things to him. Time is absolutely of the essense!

Now fuck off and do side quests for 40 hours.

 

[Bliblablubb]

Ironically, Bethesda is a lot better at creating an "optional urgency" than other open world game designers, by creating logical break opportunities or simply escalating only if the player does something.
E.g. Skyrim: don't go to the embassy. You have dragons, your complete FusRoDa, go dick around while you "wait for the embassy party date". It just works!

As opposed to CDPR.
Twitcher 3 felt already weird with Ciri's disappearance. But TW3 was never meant as a true open world, where you explore at your leisure. In fact, many players thought it sucks, after getting burned out from boring exploration before even reaching Novigrad.
Because you weren't supposed to explore on your own, just follow the mainquest and do some sides on the way, or a monster hunt if you need money.

And Cyberbug77 even escalted it by reminding you every moment you are dying. Don't get off the mainquest train! Now there was no reason to do any sidequest/gig after the heist at all. Plus the weird game decision of taking your car away, as an incentive to explore Watson on foot, but at the same time slapping TWO timed missions in your face the required you to LEAVE Watson asap. Sad.

I like shitting on Todd and his cronies like everyone else, but you can't deny they got at least the open world vs story balance right.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

There's very, very few games that have any sort of tension and a non-linear world simultaneously. The rise in designer handholding is a large reason for this. Witcher 3 does it better than cyberjunk because you have no idea how to find Ciri and at best a few clues.

 

[Daedalos]

Best sense of urgency to the MQ was done no better than in Fallout 1 imo. It had the perfect balance of fucking about just enough to get around, but staying focused on the main quest.
A good RPG should bob and weave MQ and sidequests, so u get to experience alot of the game and have variety, but keep the sense of urgency and engangement to the MQ throughout

 

[Harthwain]

Twitcher 3 felt already weird with Ciri's disappearance.

It did? I didn't care about her at all. Story-wise there is no difference between "looking for Ciri" (while doing everything but that) and delaying "urgent" mission in any other game. Including Bethesda ones.

If anything, in Skyrim you were constantly reminded/alluded about certain matters. I liked it, because it helped maintaining that illusion of the alive world, but contrary to what you are trying to say it served as reinforcement of the urgency of the matter. Oblivion is even worse offender when it comes to urgency-versus-reality issue, because it starts with a big bang and never manages to deliver (on all levels) that built up "omph" you expect after the beginning.

But TW3 was never meant as a true open world, where you explore at your leisure. In fact, many players thought it sucks, after getting burned out from boring exploration before even reaching Novigrad. Because you weren't supposed to explore on your own, just follow the mainquest and do some sides on the way, or a monster hunt if you need money.

Bullshit. You can do whatever you want and go wherever you want (although there are some exceptions). Burning out because you explored too much side stuff is on you. I should know, because that's exactly what I did.

 

[Mortmal]

Todd just said that the chess-club-membery StrangerThingy geeky persona, that he likes to wear in public like Buffalo Bill wears women skin jackets, really liked two games - Sundog: Frozen Legacy from Apple II and Traveller tabletop.

The protagonist of Sundog: Frozen Legacy by FTL was their inspiration for the character Zed Duke of Banville in FTL's next game, Dungeon Master:

He certainly has good taste in gaming, but he's also a business man who knows what is really wanted today.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Best sense of urgency to the MQ was done no better than in Fallout 1 imo. It had the perfect balance of fucking about just enough to get around, but staying focused on the main quest.
A good RPG should bob and weave MQ and sidequests, so u get to experience alot of the game and have variety, but keep the sense of urgency and engangement to the MQ throughout

Dead Rising does it better by putting everything on a timer. In that game the timer is so integral to your actions that time itself becomes a currency, and until you reach a high level you aren't even really expected to be able to do everything in a single play through. I could easily see what that game did being applied to quest in a RPG. Or at least I could see that working in a RPG, I however have a hard time imagining most modern RPG developers designing quest that may be missed simply because of lack of time.

The Persona games do it really way too by overlaying a whole time management game on top of the JRPG.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Best sense of urgency to the MQ was done no better than in Fallout 1 imo. It had the perfect balance of fucking about just enough to get around, but staying focused on the main quest.
A good RPG should bob and weave MQ and sidequests, so u get to experience alot of the game and have variety, but keep the sense of urgency and engangement to the MQ throughout

Dead Rising does it better by putting everything on a timer. In that game the timer is so integral to your actions that time itself becomes a currency, and until you reach a high level you aren't even really expected to be able to do everything in a single play through. I could easily see what that game did being applied to quest in a RPG. Or at least I could see that working in a RPG, I however have a hard time imagining most modern RPG developers designing quest that may be missed simply because of lack of time.

The Persona games do it really way too by overlaying a whole time management game on top of the JRPG.

If you want to limit the number of side quests you can do in a normal play through, you either have to make more content than you expect any given player to see, which is kind of a waste of dev time, or you gotta make the game attractive to replay, which doesn't jive that well with AAA cinematic on rails stories. Or you make the side quests procgen garbage, but then you might as well just not have them for the most part...

 

[ropetight]

Best sense of urgency to the MQ was done no better than in Fallout 1 imo. It had the perfect balance of fucking about just enough to get around, but staying focused on the main quest.
A good RPG should bob and weave MQ and sidequests, so u get to experience alot of the game and have variety, but keep the sense of urgency and engangement to the MQ throughout

When sidequests are needed for better alternative resolutions to main quest or other side quests - best way to weave them to narrative.
Despite of time slipping away in Fallout 1, I never had the feeling that you should skip any resources or help - world looked very dangerous (random encounters are often deadly in the beginning), you were seriously ill-prepared and knew very little about outside world.
ATOM RPG uses this same technique, combination of mystery and danger to keep you on path.

Bethesda never builds that feel of urgency and I always get lost in the side quests completely losing track of MQ.
Never finished Skyrim, but I traversed quite a lot of breathtaking scenery and got lots of different pants.
Fallout 4 is the probably worst offender - the world is your oyster, you get fucking power armor after an hour of gameplay, and everything is watering down from there.
I never got invested into main quest, side quests felt like separate entities that are more fun than the ...