Starfield Thread - Shattered Space expansion coming September 30th

[Lemming42]

That astronaut quote was such bullshit, one of the most alarming pre-release soundbites. I would also not be bored if my car suddenly accelerated at infinite speed through the side of a mountain in real life but that doesn't stop Big Rigs Over The Road Racing from being boring shit.

 

[Rhobar121]

STARFIELD GOTY 2024 HYPE

I think it has a chance (although it may lose anyway) as long as the only game released is Gollum 2.

 

[Vic]

STARFIELD GOTY 2024 HYPE

I think it has a chance (although it may lose anyway) as long as the only game released is Gollum 2.

how dare you

 

[Lemming42]

I like quite a bit of stuff in Starfield but I'm glad it's going to flop at the GOTY awards because Bethesda need to be shaken awake and realise that they can't get by on half-arsing everything on a shitty obsolete engine anymore. For all the good points Starfield has, it's absolutely unacceptable for a game that took over seven years and an unfathomable budget to make. Like what the fuck were they doing that whole time, there are maybe five questlines in the whole game and the worldspace is almost entirely empty. Oblivion was made in about five seconds and had 3x the content plus represented a significant leap forward in the Gamebryo engine compared to the MW version.

It's surreal that it's been 12 years since their last overwhelmingly well-received game. They manage to linger in popular culture solely based on the strength of a bygone era now, but they still act with the complacency of a company who assume that everything they make will be an automatic hit. Starfield could have been something far more than it is, and everything good about it could have been greatly amplified; that's the case for every Bethesda game of course, but with Starfield it's just missed opportunities all over the place, and doesn't even have the same ambition as their prior games (radiant NPC routines were an extraordinary thing to attempt even if in practice it leads to everyone in the world having autism, whereas the procgen planets are a lazy idea that they couldn't even be bothered to do anything with).

Or maybe whoever it was that was putting effort into their previous games has gone from the company now. Again, Adamowicz seems to have been a strong creative driving force.

 

[Vic]

Starfield could have been something far more than it is

I still think Starfield has the biggest modding potential out of all of their games. That's because there are so many systems in the game from typical RPG gameplay to space combat and crafting and base building. The fact that there is basically an unlimited amount of map space means you can load up a bunch of custom maps into your game. Custom ships, custom races and aliens... Am I the only one who sees this potential?

 

[Lord of Riva]

Bethesda employees copypasting cringeworthy replies under negative Steam reviews might be the best thing that came out of this.

Jesus christ, i thought you were joking. lmfao

 

[Grauken]

Am I the only one who sees this potential?

Probably. But upselling an empty game as one with lots of potential is a good marketing trick.

 

[Vic]

Am I the only one who sees this potential?

Probably. But upselling an empty game as one with lots of potential is a good marketing trick.

the emptier it is the more stuff you can fit in!

 

[Lemming42]

I still think Starfield has the biggest modding potential out of all of their games. That's because there are so many systems in the game from typical RPG gameplay to space combat and crafting and base building. The fact that there is basically an unlimited amount of map space means you can load up a bunch of custom maps into your game. Custom ships, custom races and aliens... Am I the only one who sees this potential?

There's some potential but I can't really imagine where people would start. We could fill in stuff that seems to have been planned for the game but which Bethesda was too lazy to develop - make the Brig ship part actually do something by letting you send KO'd enemies there, for example, and make Unarmed actually work - but in terms of modding the planets I'm not sure what the point would be. The planets could be very slowly and painstakingly populated with Skyrim-tier dungeons which would be a big step up over the base game but still wouldn't surmount some of the core issues with Starfield.

Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim were easy to mod because they offered outlines of good games which could be filled in with mods, whereas Starfield is just a sort of jumble of shit that's impossible to sort through, let alone build on. Like, with Morrowind you can say "the problem is boring quests, let's create some better ones", with Skyrim you can say "the problem is dull combat, let's make ways to spice it up", but with Starfield the problem is on the conceptual level and the best you can do is work within those confines.

 

[Lord of Riva]

Am I the only one who sees this potential?

Probably. But upselling an empty game as one with lots of potential is a good marketing trick.

the emptier it is the more stuff you can fit in!

You keep telling yourself that, it still wont fit

 

[Lord_Potato]

Starfield could have been something far more than it is

I still think Starfield has the biggest modding potential out of all of their games.

Most likely, because almost everything in the base game is lazy, uninspired and requires dedicate modders to fix it.

That's because there are so many systems in the game from typical RPG gameplay to space combat and crafting and base building.

and the game doesn't even require the player to interact with most of them

The fact that there is basically an unlimited amount of map space means you can load up a bunch of custom maps into your game.

hurray I guess

Custom ships, custom races and aliens... Am I the only one who sees this potential?

So you mean Starfield is a glorified game editor, with a shitty campaign added to boast its capabilities, not unlike the first Neverwinter Nights?

It would be believable, if only Bethesda provided modding tools at Starfield release.

 

[Vic]

I still think Starfield has the biggest modding potential out of all of their games. That's because there are so many systems in the game from typical RPG gameplay to space combat and crafting and base building. The fact that there is basically an unlimited amount of map space means you can load up a bunch of custom maps into your game. Custom ships, custom races and aliens... Am I the only one who sees this potential?

There's some potential but I can't really imagine where people would start. We could fill in stuff that seems to have been planned for the game but which Bethesda was too lazy to develop - make the Brig ship part actually do something by letting you send KO'd enemies there, for example, and make Unarmed actually work - but in terms of modding the planets I'm not sure what the point would be. The planets could be very slowly and painstakingly populated with Skyrim-tier dungeons which would be a big step up over the base game but still wouldn't surmount some of the core issues with Starfield.

Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim were easy to mod because they offered outlines of good games which could be filled in with mods, whereas Starfield is just a sort of jumble of shit that's impossible to sort through, let alone build on. Like, with Morrowind you can say "the problem is boring quests, let's create some better ones", with Skyrim you can say "the problem is dull combat, let's make ways to spice it up", but with Starfield the problem is on the conceptual level and the best you can do is work within those confines.

well I'll tell you under which circumstances I'd consider doing another playthrough:

- true survival mod like in FO4, where hunger matters, but now we have also all the other stuff like O2 and temperature to consider
- deadly combat
- much more varied loot

okay I'm too lazy to continue right now but these are mods that already exist for previous games, which would make another playthrough quite fun, especially with an "astronaut survival mode"

edit: a camping mod!!!

edit2: horror story mods involving abandoned space stations!!!

edit3: aliens!!!!!

 

[Fedora Master]

"MODS WILL FIX IIIIIIT!"

 

[Vic]

 

[Lemming42]

well I'll tell you under which circumstances I'd consider doing another playthrough:

Not bad ideas but it doesn't even lend itself to survival stuff in the way Fo3/NV or Skyrim does, since the player isn't really travelling through a hostile wilderness anymore and is instead constantly teleporting back to their comfy ship. People will try to recreate their favourite Skyrim mods for Starfield but I think, if it can be improved with mods at all, the whole thing needs a rethink. Rather than the Skyrim approach of "what can we add to make this more fun", it'll have to be "to what extent can we change the very core of this game".

The problem is that the crux of Starfield's issues is that there's not enough content to sustain even one playthrough. It needs like, double the questlines it currently has, and I dunno if mods can do that - I've played impressive quest mods like Legacy of the Dragonborn but I'm not sure if there's much point waiting years for people to come out with a quest pack that ultimately just extends a Starfield playthrough by 10 hours.

 

[Vic]

since the player isn't really travelling through a hostile wilderness anymore and is instead constantly teleporting back to their comfy ship.

that's one of the first things I'd address with a difficulty/survival mod, restrict how you can use your ship and fast travel. also fuel, hello?

 

[Rhobar121]

If a game isn't popular, I don't see why anyone would waste hundreds of hours trying to fix it, especially for free.
What's the point of creating mods for Starfield instead of Skyrim which is currently more popular (at least on Steam).
If the core of the game is shit, why would you expect there to be an exceptionally large group of autistic people who care enough about the game to create content for it?

 

[Vic]

todd has now passed the torch to the modders, they will have to make his vision come alive, game is too good to be just left forgotten

it all depends on how good the modding tools will be, they're using a new iteration of their engine for starfield, but still

If a game isn't popular, I don't see why anyone would waste hundreds of hours trying to fix it, especially for free.

you must be new to Bethesda land.

 

[Lord_Potato]

that's one of the first things I'd address with a difficulty/survival mod, restrict how you can use your ship and fast travel. also fuel, hello?

and most likely you'll need to personally carry the fuel to your ship, just like the ship parts you purchase.

hurray, more busywork and further heavy objects to carry within your tiny weight limit!

 

[Vic]

What's the point of creating mods for Starfield instead of Skyrim which is currently more popular (at least on Steam).

different genres? different combat? better graphics? newer engine?

 

[Kev Inkline]

There's a lot of potential in Prosper's games too.

 

[Lord_Potato]

todd has now passed the torch to the modders, they will have to make his vision come alive, game is too good to be just left forgotten

Todd: now fix my game for free, so I may sell more copies! Oh, and do it without the dedicated modding tools!

Modders: fuck you, we'd rather return to Skyrim.

*sad trumpet playing in the background*

 

[jackofshadows]

Nah, Sseth was right: the only way to "fix" Starfield is to start from scratch having all the modding tools.

 

[Vic]

todd has now passed the torch to the modders, they will have to make his vision come alive, game is too good to be just left forgotten

Todd: now fix my game for free, so I may sell more copies! Oh, and do it without the dedicated modding tools!

Modders: fuck you, we'd rather return to Skyrim.

*sad trumpet playing in the background*

 

[Lord_Potato]

What's the point of creating mods for Starfield instead of Skyrim which is currently more popular (at least on Steam).

different genres?

action rpg -> action rpg

different combat?

melee combat is inferior to Skyrim's

better graphics?

characters look even more terrible, very uncanny valley style

newer engine?

That cannot even support Neon City without most shops relegated to different cells,lol. Morrowind could support larger inside areas (not to mention most cities were part of the worldspace).