The Blood of Dawnwalker - Fantasy ARPG from ex-CD Projekt RED developers

[RaggleFraggle]

Lol. That is the weakest and most retarded defense of degeneracy and decline in content. And it is used so often. Then someone like Mel Gibson does exactly that and people like you have a meltdown.

I have nothing against Christianity.

Ironically Japanese games before the nips were forced to bow down to woke were examples of why this isn't a problem. Like in the first Castlevania games a Rosary was the most powerful item(immediately destroyed all enemies on screen), the menu music theme was Kyrie Eleison and the Belmont heroes are shown praying before altars.

So do you want Christian tenets to be true or do you just want belief in the Christian God to have tangible effects? There is a difference between the two.

Everlasting is a setting where you can play as an angel or a pagan demigod without a conflict between the two, because it cherrypicks the humanistic aspects of Christianity rather than assuming the Bible is literally true. You can use powers of faith to fight the forces of darkness, without being restricted to Christian faith specifically because the divine transcends any one religion. It's very charitable to Christianity and God, as other games in the 90s liked to do stuff like present the Christian God as a demon named "The Patriarch" who is a lackey to a pagan deity.

I can't name many settings where Christian tenets are true. Rapture: The Second Coming? Left Behind? Which sect of Christianity? Orthodox? Chick tracts? Westboro Baptist Church? What is a sin? Abortion? Gay marriage? Divorce? Adultery? Atheism? Does being rich mean that God loves you more? Engaging with Christian symbolism is one thing, but engaging with the tenets is a huge can of worms that will offend people, including many Christians. That's why settings like Touched by an Angel, Charmed, Buffy, Everlasting, etc. engage with a very sanitized humanistic version.

 

[Barbarian]

I don't care as much as I perhaps should. I just want it to make sense and not be retarded.

This game is supposed to be set in 14th century southeast Europe. If the characters are tolerant agnostics with worldviews based on zoomer talking points then it will be retarded. People in the area begun to convert in 4th century AD and were very religious as in other areas of Europe. They should have went with a fantasy setting like the Witcher if they are aiming for edgy nihilism.

I'm not expecting much from this game anyway, considering the state of things. Even Kingdom Come 2 now has blacks and gay sex.

Have no idea where they will go with lore and tone but some of the promotional material does feature a Cross. Traditional vampire fiction has them being damaged by holy symbols and the total removal of this aspect has been brought about by wokeness - that was the point I made.

 

[thesecret1]

Everlasting is a setting where you can play as an angel or a pagan demigod without a conflict between the two, because it cherrypicks the humanistic aspects of Christianity rather than assuming the Bible is literally true. You can use powers of faith to fight the forces of darkness, without being restricted to Christian faith specifically because the divine transcends any one religion. It's very charitable to Christianity and God, as other games in the 90s liked to do stuff like present the Christian God as a demon named "The Patriarch" who is a lackey to a pagan deity.

Which is inauthentic and aggressively lame. If I play a game as a zealous catholic in medieval france, I want to massacre cathars. If I play a game set in the middle east, I want to stone women to death for adultery and fly planes into the WTC. If I play a game set in the Aztec empire, I want to carve out people's hearts and sacrifice them to the gods. You know, actually fun shit, instead of some gay "Uuuh, respect all religions" garbage.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

Which is inauthentic and aggressively lame. If I play a game as a zealous catholic in medieval france, I want to massacre cathars. If I play a game set in the middle east, I want to stone women to death for adultery and fly planes into the WTC. If I play a game set in the Aztec empire, I want to carve out people's hearts and sacrifice them to the gods. You know, actually fun shit, instead of some gay "Uuuh, respect all religions" garbage.

You're getting a false impression here. The books don't shy away from dark elements. As I said before, the setting has a cosmic force of evil that rewards people who commit atrocities by turning them into vampires a la Requiem Chevalier Vampire. If you wanted to, the character creation rules explicitly say you can play as a patient zero. They have magic systems powered by human sacrifice. If you want to play a bloodthirsty psychopath, then the game gives you no shortage of material to work with. You can read the reviews right here: https://writeups.letsyouandhimfight.com/halloween-jack/the-everlasting-book-of-the-unliving/ https://www.rpg.net/reviews/search-review.phtml?productSystem=Everlasting

EDIT: I don't understand what you want here. Do you want the setting to follow the Bible exactly or do you want all religions to be true?

 

[thesecret1]

Which is inauthentic and aggressively lame. If I play a game as a zealous catholic in medieval france, I want to massacre cathars. If I play a game set in the middle east, I want to stone women to death for adultery and fly planes into the WTC. If I play a game set in the Aztec empire, I want to carve out people's hearts and sacrifice them to the gods. You know, actually fun shit, instead of some gay "Uuuh, respect all religions" garbage.

You're getting a false impression here. The books don't shy away from dark elements. As I said before, the setting has a cosmic force of evil that rewards people who commit atrocities by turning them into vampires a la Requiem Chevalier Vampire. If you wanted to, the character creation rules explicitly say you can play as a patient zero. They have magic systems powered by human sacrifice. If you want to play a bloodthirsty psychopath, then the game gives you no shortage of material to work with. You can read the reviews right here: https://writeups.letsyouandhimfight.com/halloween-jack/the-everlasting-book-of-the-unliving/ https://www.rpg.net/reviews/search-review.phtml?productSystem=Everlasting

EDIT: I don't understand what you want here. Do you want the setting to follow the Bible exactly or do you want all religions to be true?

You don't understand because you have an amateur's view on worldbuilding. A good sandbox setting doesn't pick sides, but that doesn't mean picking everyone's side. Let's say there's two characters that are going to fight a vampire. One is a devout catholic packing stakes, holy water, the whole classic shebang. The other is a muslim arriving with the quran in one hand and a curved sabre in the other. They fight the vampire. Both of their tactics work. They both go ask their priests to ask WTF is going on, how come the other asshole could fight vampires too? Both priests simply say that the other one is not using the power of the divine god, but rather demonic powers, and is essentially fighting fire with fire. Which one is right? The setting doesn't say because it's not something the player needs to know. All he needs to know is that it works, and that his character believes it works because of the power of god, while the other guy is some filthy heathen consorting with demonic powers. An angel came down from heaven? Well then to one it'll be an angelic being, to the other a demon in disguise that needs immediate purging. And you can do it for however many religions you want, you can have an Aztec drag around a captive to sacrifice on the spot and have it work, without having to bend over backwards trying to somehow reconcile it with every other religion out there – the Aztec believes it to work because his religion is right, the others believe it to be the work of demons. The others can then either fight him over it, or just grit their teeth and move past it since they have a vampire to kill, which is more important.

 

[Zombra]

I grew up in the 90s.

Ah, that explains it. You're too young to remember Love at First Bite. Better times.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

You don't understand because you have an amateur's view on worldbuilding.

And you still haven't read the books or reviews I mentioned, so you're going off with a strawman that has no resemblance to the actual game I mentioned. The game works how you describe here and it doesn't take everyone's side. There is an objective reality, but everyone interprets it differently even to the point of there being multiple cultures of magic that all work equally effectively. The backstory pretty blatantly implies that all religions are essentially false and based on misinterpretations of the conflicts between various devas. The backstory for the angels literally says they're not Christian, not any more than rocks or trees are Christian, even pointing out that they inspired angelic beings in various cultures such as Mesopotamian shedu and Aztec quetzal.

At least in the Book of the Light, the PCs are expected to be more or less unambiguous superheroes, not supervillains. If that's not to your taste, then fine, but that doesn't make it "lame" and "gay". Seriously, at least read the reviews before punching that strawman you setup.

 

[Barbarian]

Nobody cares about this shitty "all religions are true" juvenile literature POS you keep refering to.

Nobody ever heard about it and nobody cares to check it out also.

Sorry bro.

 

[Old Hans]

wow looks like Dawnwalker is really coming along.........NOT!!!11

 

[RaggleFraggle]

Nobody cares about this shitty "all religions are true" juvenile literature POS you keep refering to.

Nobody ever heard about it and nobody cares to check it out also.

Sorry bro.

Then why do you like constructing strawmen about it then? You can either educate yourselves enough to discuss something with an informed opinion, or you can shut up. Maybe, I don't know, get off your lazy butts and write the settings you claim to want to see rather than pointlessly complaining and constructing strawmen. Just a suggestion.

Anyway, there's no evidence that Dawnwalker is gonna be this disaster you describe. Where did you ever get that idea from?

 

[Barbarian]

Anyway, there's no evidence that Dawnwalker is gonna be this disaster you describe. Where did you ever get that idea from?

One of the developers is a troon.

 

[markec]

Just a reminder that in Castlevania animated series the reason why vampires hate crosses is because they get confused by geometric shapes.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Speaking as someone from a Christian background, the Christian theology is specifically incompatible with that of other religions. The Bible literally says all other "gods" are demons in disguise. You can't have a setting with God, Odin, Zeus, and Rama running around without either contradicting that tenet or depicting the pagan gods as lying demons.

How is this real?

Spoiler

Kick his ass, Buddha! Then get Santa!

 

[Barbarian]

That is an old HP Lovecraft trope - featured in "The Dreams in the Witch House". One of the characters is a devoutly Catholic polish immigrant(who in typical Lovecraftian fashion is treated as an unwashed and ignorant foreigner/non anglo). The protagonist eventually uses his crucifix to repel Keziah Mason - the implicit explanation being that she shuns standard geometrical shapes after spending too much time in foreign dimensions with strange and impossible non-euclidean geometry all around. To this day a lot of people who read the yarn don't understand this part and go "WTF? But lovecraft is a militant atheist!". His little joke I suppose. The story doesn't explicitly explain why the witch panics at the sight of the cross.

The same trope was featured in one of the shittier adaptations of Stephen King's "Salem's Lot" if I'm not mistaken(in the book vamps actually fear the cross because it is sacred).

No wonder that Netflix's LGBTvania would pick it up.

 

[Zariusz]

As far as i remember that show had some fat fuck who kept funneling his fedora tipping into it from the start.

 

[Elttharion]

As far as i remember that show had some fat fuck who kept funneling his fedora tipping into it from the start.

Warren Ellis, literally a fedora tipping reddit tier atheist

 

[Zariusz]

Though i think he got kicked later, and that didnt stop deviants behind that series from insane shit like Alucard being raped in the ass by some twink.

 

[Sratopotator]

Protagonist is infected with vampirism, but he is already suffering from silver poisoning, and that causes superpowers/partial immunity to vampirism.
Cool, I suppose?
I just cannot get this out of my head:

 

[Tyranicon]

Speaking of Netflix shows, is there a reason why they always either get canceled after season 3, or turn into some digusting barely disguised fetish shit?

 

[Barbarian]

Speaking of Netflix shows, is there a reason why they always either get canceled after season 3, or turn into some digusting barely disguised fetish shit?

The entire staff and the entirety of directors/writers/producers are woke degenerates. What did you expect?

 

[Elttharion]

Though i think he got kicked later, and that didnt stop deviants behind that series from insane shit like Alucard being raped in the ass by some twink.

Not sure, I only watched the first season. Nice animation but completely butchered the setting, story and characters of the games.

 

[S.torch]

How many games feature this conflict? I can't name any besides BloodNet, Vampyr, Redemption and Bloodlines.

I would add Castlevania: Symphony of the Night to this list, despite not being an RPG and not having any decisions that really matter it's a very nice representation of vampires in videogames. Sadly the franchise has decades being a rotting zombie.

One of the most popular vampire-themed franchises was Underworld, where Selene is very much not a tortured antihero

Underworld was a rip-off from a VtM novel and the twist of the first movie revolves around Selene being taken away from her family and brainwashed to hate the werewolverinos that did nothing wrong. It still count has featuring a personal conflict related to her vampiric background. Not the best plot, but the movie has a cool aesthetic.

I think it was in the 2000s that the vampire hero/antihero/protagonist trend began.

You're viewing this from a skewed perspective, vampires were never supposed to be portrayed as some misunderstood force of good. In Anne Rice novels from where VtM ripped off a good portion of their lore, they're portrayed unabashedly dastardly. And even dhampirs like Alucard are always trying to control the impulse to kill and destroy everything around them. Because that's what make them interesting.

Taking your own example from Legacy of Kain, Kain was always a more compelling protagonist than Raziel. He wasn't some brainwashed poor kid being throwed around by master manipulators, he got killed like a dog and swore vengeance upon those who wronged him and set out to do just that, killing everyone in his path, at the same saving the kingdom from the necromancers because it coincided with his goals. But in the original ending before the retcon he decides to sacrifice himself to save Nosgoth, and even after Defiance he returns as a playable character who has compassion for Raziel since he was only being used like a pawn by the Cthulhu-like entity of Nosgoth. Meaning he was never entirely devoid of humanity.

 

[Jaesun]

give me game where you play as a proper hunter who has to go against powerful vampire on his home turf. not dancing game like twicher and not rolling simulator. ravenloft but more horror.

A nice untapped market. I agree.

 

[Quillon]

not rolling simulator

this is in their DNA; by day you'll roll around like Geralt, by night you'll dash around like Ciri

 

[RaggleFraggle]

Underworld was a rip-off from a VtM novel

It was not. I read the short story in question and it’s just pareidolia. The short story is about a vampire guy and wolf gal who fall in love, have kids, then get executed for polluting the bloodlines. It’s not sufficient to declare it a ripoff.

the twist of the first movie revolves around Selene being taken away from her family and brainwashed to hate the werewolverinos that did nothing wrong. It still count has featuring a personal conflict related to her vampiric background. Not the best plot, but the movie has a cool aesthetic.

You’re missing my point. Selene doesn’t angst about her hunger for blood or inability to walk in sunlight. She long accepted vampirism as part of her life and doesn’t regret being a vampire. She’s a superhero. Her drama comes from relationship drama.