The Mass Effect 3/BioWare Thread

[Space Satan]

but this would require the death of the Geth.

They have already stated that the space magical brat was lying. Apparently only reapers die in the red ending.
I still dont understand it tho, why the fuck did the normandy escape tru the mass relay on the ending, they were orbiting around earth and earth was clearly not affected by the magic wave.

lolwat? They decided to retcon EVEN THIS? Are you serious or joking? Because at this point I cannot distinguish jokes from truth about bioware.

 

[Akratus]

but this would require the death of the Geth.

They have already stated that the space magical brat was lying. Apparently only reapers die in the red ending.
I still dont understand it tho, why the fuck did the normandy escape tru the mass relay on the ending, they were orbiting around earth and earth was clearly not affected by the magic wave.

Maybe you should make a feature length documentary about your hypothesis and put it up on youtube.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

but this would require the death of the Geth.

They have already stated that the space magical brat was lying. Apparently only reapers die in the red ending.
I still dont understand it tho, why the fuck did the normandy escape tru the mass relay on the ending, they were orbiting around earth and earth was clearly not affected by the magic wave.

lolwat? They decided to retcon EVEN THIS? Are you serious or joking? Because at this point I cannot distinguish jokes from truth about bioware.

Not true. The geth and EDI still die in the Red ending, even with the Extended Cut and all EMS maxed out.

Well, you never see the geth die but you don't see their ships survive either - and they do not get mentioned at all in the ending narration by Hackett. And you don't see EDI either.

 

[DalekFlay]

The whole equating AI with gays and minorities thing never clicked for me in any sci-fi show or game. They're fucking robots, I literally don't care how well they mimic sentience. Kill 'em all.

 

[Lhynn]

There was a twitter from one of the writers stating expressly that EDI and the geth made it alive in the destroy ending, and implying that the kid was lying.

 

[Caim]

The whole equating AI with gays and minorities thing never clicked for me in any sci-fi show or game. They're fucking robots, I literally don't care how well they mimic sentience. Kill 'em all.

Wait what? Just because you (dis)like dick it means you're some kind of fake artificial human whose emotions are but a mockery of what it is to be human? What kind of future pot do you have to smoke for that to make sense?

And the minorities thing doesn't make sense either: not for immigrants, not for religious minorities, not for tribal differences, not for former slaves. The two I can think of, the freedom from the creators and the "does this unit have a soul?" thing are two distinctly different things that have nothing to do with modern day issues. Because what is the last time humanity build itself a servant race that rose up, or had said machines ask if they had souls? Never.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

There was a twitter from one of the writers stating expressly that EDI and the geth made it alive in the destroy ending, and implying that the kid was lying.

Oh fuck, that post was written by you. I forgot what a complete dumbfuck and liar you are. I shouldn't have even bothered.

 

[yes plz]

I can see BioWare saying "Yeah, the Geth really did survive!" just so they can use them again in future titles without pissing off any Biotards.

 

[Kanedias]

That tweet did indeed exist, but it was retarded. I remember it.

 

[Lhynn]

That tweet did indeed exist, but it was retarded. I remember it.

as everything in this whole deal

There was a twitter from one of the writers stating expressly that EDI and the geth made it alive in the destroy ending, and implying that the kid was lying.

Oh fuck, that post was written by you. I forgot what a complete dumbfuck and liar you are. I shouldn't have even bothered.

I dont lie you sad piece of shit. go get bent.

 

[argan]

That tweet did indeed exist, but it was retarded. I remember it.

Sounds very reminiscent of the theatrical Blade Runner ending. "Oh yeah, she was a special case..."

 

[DalekFlay]

Wait what? Just because you (dis)like dick it means you're some kind of fake artificial human whose emotions are but a mockery of what it is to be human? What kind of future pot do you have to smoke for that to make sense?

And the minorities thing doesn't make sense either: not for immigrants, not for religious minorities, not for tribal differences, not for former slaves. The two I can think of, the freedom from the creators and the "does this unit have a soul?" thing are two distinctly different things that have nothing to do with modern day issues. Because what is the last time humanity build itself a servant race that rose up, or had said machines ask if they had souls? Never.

Your English is not making sense to me here for whatever reason. My point is that robots are often used as analogies for suffering human minorities in sci-fi but I always have a hard time with it because I just can't make the logic leap of treating circuits like living beings, no matter how well made the robots are. Destroy all Reapers at only the cost of breaking some other robots too? Why the fuck would anyone not choose that option?

 

[Spectacle]

I just can't make the logic leap of treating circuits like living beings, no matter how well made the robots are. Destroy all Reapers at only the cost of breaking some other robots too? Why the fuck would anyone not choose that option?

Rembeber think that biological intelligence is really just a chunk of nerve cells firing off electrical impulses. The robots may not really be all that different.

 

[Caim]

Your English is not making sense to me here for whatever reason. My point is that robots are often used as analogies for suffering human minorities in sci-fi but I always have a hard time with it because I just can't make the logic leap of treating circuits like living beings, no matter how well made the robots are. Destroy all Reapers at only the cost of breaking some other robots too? Why the fuck would anyone not choose that option?

Exactly my point. Robots remain robots who suffer different plights as humans do.

 

[Sunsetspawn]

That tweet did indeed exist, but it was retarded. I remember it.

Sounds very reminiscent of the theatrical Blade Runner ending. "Oh yeah, she was a special case..."

So was he...

 

[Necroscope]

There was a twitter from one of the writers stating expressly that EDI and the geth made it alive in the destroy ending, and implying that the kid was lying.

There were various tweets, many contradicting others, you cannot trust a word they said. There's no reason for which EDI and Geths shouldn't die in the destroy ending, as much as I like Geths.

 

[Lhynn]

There was a twitter from one of the writers stating expressly that EDI and the geth made it alive in the destroy ending, and implying that the kid was lying.

There were various tweets, many contradicting others, you cannot trust a word they said. There's no reason for which EDI and Geths shouldn't die in the destroy ending, as much as I like Geths.

Theres no reason why they should either, there is no reason why anything that we are shown should happen, Fuck, if you can make some sense of this you are welcome to try. The ending defies any logic, unless its indoctrination, with which most stuff can be handwaved away in a way that actually kinda makes sense and not in a forced way.
Which is the very reason i chose to believe it and move on, not like im coming back to the franchise or like im ever going to play any other biowhore game again, not with the colossal waste of time DA2 and ME3 ended up being.

 

[AW8]

Your English is not making sense

Rembeber think that

Joking aside, I agree with you, Spectacle. When a robot's intelligence and emotions become so much like a human being that you can't tell the difference, is it not alive then? EDI for example is basically a human who knows she's a robot.

We humans really aren't that special in the long run, we're a lump of cells connected to sensory organs that perceive the world around us. We've already built machines that, while only capable of performing in a few areas, are much more effective than us in those areas. I have no doubt that in the distant future (the key word being distant), we will not only be able to build robots with the same intelligence and emotions as humans, we will probably be able to construct human life and design it however we want as well.

Also,

The whole equating AI with gays and minorities thing never clicked for me in any sci-fi show or game.

DalekFlay, mah boi, my main man - I never got the feeling the Geth and EDI were supposed to represent homosexuals. The vampires in True Blood, sure, but the AI's in Mass Effect? The Geth are presented as mindless and faceless killing machines in the first game, while the sequels introduce the idea that the Quarians started the whole war because they were afraid the Geth had become too alive, and the Geth retaliated to survive.
If anything, I'd say the Geth-Quarian conflict is closer to the Israel-Palestine conflict than persecution of homosexuals, as in "Who's right?", "Which side do I support?" and "How do I solve this peacefully?".

And the fear of AI in general is the good old fear of technology (see: Skynet), sometimes well placed as when a rogue Virtual Intelligence took over the Moon in ME1, sometimes not as in the case of EDI who rebelled against her crazy developer the Illusive Man and remained loyal to Shepard, flooding TIM's servers with porn in the progress.

 

[Grinolf]

while the sequels introduce the idea that the Quarians started the whole war because they were afraid the Geth had become too alive

Actually you could raise that point in ME1. So that subplot was one of the few bright things in that game also. The only difference between ME1 and ME2 in that regard is that in the first game every geth you meet don't make a good impression about their race.

 

[DalekFlay]

DalekFlay, mah boi, my main man - I never got the feeling the Geth and EDI were supposed to represent homosexuals. The vampires in True Blood, sure, but the AI's in Mass Effect? The Geth are presented as mindless and faceless killing machines in the first game, while the sequels introduce the idea that the Quarians started the whole war because they were afraid the Geth had become too alive, and the Geth retaliated to survive.
If anything, I'd say the Geth-Quarian conflict is closer to the Israel-Palestine conflict than persecution of homosexuals, as in "Who's right?", "Which side do I support?" and "How do I solve this peacefully?".

And the fear of AI in general is the good old fear of technology (see: Skynet), sometimes well placed as when a rogue Virtual Intelligence took over the Moon in ME1, sometimes not as in the case of EDI who rebelled against her crazy developer the Illusive Man and remained loyal to Shepard, flooding TIM's servers with porn in the progress.

I didn't say Geth = gays, I am speaking in generalities. Sci-fi often tends to insert AI and robots into minority social justice shaped holes.

 

[Jick Magger]

It's probably because it's the closest analog that we can really get to the concept of the rights of sentient beings we have created. It's a simple way to get the audience to sympathize with it because it parallels real life rights movements that have occured throughout history.

 

[argan]

That tweet did indeed exist, but it was retarded. I remember it.

Sounds very reminiscent of the theatrical Blade Runner ending. "Oh yeah, she was a special case..."

So was he...

EVERYONE IS SPECIAL!!11

 

[eremita]

The whole equating AI with gays and minorities thing never clicked for me in any sci-fi show or game. They're fucking robots, I literally don't care how well they mimic sentience. Kill 'em all.

Nobody knows how human sentience work... It might be very likely that it is only an illusion - us being just very sophisticated "robots". From the perspective of the mind (function of the mind- your experience) is impossible to determine anything about brain structure and how it works. That said, future AI might actually also experience something really unique despite being just a pile of circuits... .

I don't have problems with sentient AI, but it really turns me off when it's too much human-like. In this regard, I quite like reapers and their extreme philosophy in case of morals.

 

[DraQ]

I see people saying 'well, they'll have to pick a canon ending'. No, because the game does not have to come after.

What a sad way to waste such a great opportunity for an excellent "you're actually amnesiac Shepard" plot twist.

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The whole equating AI with gays and minorities thing never clicked for me in any sci-fi show or game. They're fucking robots, I literally don't care how well they mimic sentience. Kill 'em all.

Nobody knows how human sentience work... It might be very likely that it is only an illusion - us being just very sophisticated "robots".

Dis.
What's the difference between mimicking sentience using organic and inorganic circutry?
For what any single person can tell they are the only one who's certainly sentient, anything else is mere conjecture based on behavioral cues.

I don't have problems with sentient AI, but it really turns me off when it's too much human-like.

This too.
I don't really see it as technically impossible, but since the AIs are generally built for purpose why would anyone make them human-like?

 

[Azrael the cat]

There's also those experiments showing that people 'answer' simple questions (by pressing the right button) marginally before they consciously make the choice. I.e. at least when it comes to simple questions (it's too hard to replicate the tests with questions that have open or complex answers) we seem to work like machines, with our consciousness of our choice only arriving after we've actually acted on it.

Learning about those tests is still probably the single most offensive thing to my intrinsic experience and philosphy of the world - having your beliefs challenged and tested around the edges is good fun, but man it fucking sucks when something pops up and shows your most central goddamn assumptions don't even approximate the truth.