Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

[Sacred82]

Why can't I enter Baldur's Gate right after leaving Candlekeep! ZOMG bullshit!

Tbf, that's two completely different series. M&M is built on free exploration of the environment to your heart's content while completing quests with the only obstacle being you or your party's inadequacies against the foes you face.

and M&M is built on flying and casting jump spells. Then again, maybe not. Sure as hell is no decline though.

 

[Eggs is eggs]

MMX was influenced by the older MM games but it definitely felt like a more modern RPG. Combat was all about buffs/debuffs and you really had to min/max your party to do well. Whereas the older M&M games were more focused on exploration and discovery and the combats were relatively simple. It also used Ubisoft's boring and generic world they created for the later HOMM games.

 

[Lacrymas]

So, I got to Swamp Town and its dungeon, but there are some hidden passages that I can't break through to. I'm assuming I can teleport to the chambers, but is there a way to break through the walls? The aging curses are starting to get scary, two of my guys are 30 years old now and I've heard that around 35 the effects start to kick in. I hope I can find the fountain of youth soon.

Another random observation - the monster design is generally pretty cool, I love the Reapers and Scorpias.

 

[octavius]

I never found the third statue for the place-statues-on-pedestals-quest. Those I found were in the Temples of the Sun and Moon respectively.

Did you clear the temple of Baa? It is in Avlee,the second elven city,it is in the NW corner.

So that's where it was? Quite logical when I think about it, though.
I must not have explored it well enough, then. I found the letter to the Devil leader, but no statue.

 

[octavius]

So, I got to Swamp Town and its dungeon, but there are some hidden passages that I can't break through to. I'm assuming I can teleport to the chambers, but is there a way to break through the walls? The aging curses are starting to get scary, two of my guys are 30 years old now and I've heard that around 35 the effects start to kick in. I hope I can find the fountain of youth soon.

I think you need high STR.

Another random observation - the monster design is generally pretty cool, I love the Reapers and Scorpias.

Nothing will prepare you for the Candle Creeps.

 

[fantadomat]

So, I got to Swamp Town and its dungeon, but there are some hidden passages that I can't break through to. I'm assuming I can teleport to the chambers, but is there a way to break through the walls? The aging curses are starting to get scary, two of my guys are 30 years old now and I've heard that around 35 the effects start to kick in. I hope I can find the fountain of youth soon.

Another random observation - the monster design is generally pretty cool, I love the Reapers and Scorpias.

There was,press B if i remember correctly and the front people try to bash the wall. Also there was a spell that teleported you up to 9 spaces.

 

[fantadomat]

I never found the third statue for the place-statues-on-pedestals-quest. Those I found were in the Temples of the Sun and Moon respectively.

Did you clear the temple of Baa? It is in Avlee,the second elven city,it is in the NW corner.

So that's where it was? Quite logical when I think about it, though.
I must not have explored it well enough, then. I found the letter to the Devil leader, but no statue.

Nah sorry mate,i mislead you,too many games in that old head . The last statue was in the minotouer maze i the warlock country.

 

[octavius]

Ah! Oh well, I thought I explored the whole Minotaur Maze as well. Found the Minotaur Axe, at least.

 

[fantadomat]

Ah! Oh well, I thought I explored the whole Minotaur Maze as well. Found the Minotaur Axe, at least.

It was somewhere at the back of the maze in or around the caves in a chest.

 

[Average Manatee]

So, I got to Swamp Town and its dungeon, but there are some hidden passages that I can't break through to. I'm assuming I can teleport to the chambers, but is there a way to break through the walls? The aging curses are starting to get scary, two of my guys are 30 years old now and I've heard that around 35 the effects start to kick in. I hope I can find the fountain of youth soon.

I'm pretty sure age is kind of irrelevant. It's a flat bonus to intellect-related stats and a flat penalty to physical-related stats, but due to how M&M3's stat system works (only getting bonuses at certain breakpoints, with a greater gap between each breakpoint) there isn't much effect in practice. If you go from 30 strength to 5 strength it would suck (and I'm not sure what happens if you hit 0, death?), but going from 100 strength to 70 strength is basically irrelevant.

One of the hirelings is 150 years old or something. Of course he's a sorceror, but he manages with decent physical stats. If there's some arbitrary age limit past which you die then it's really high.

 

[Darth Canoli]

They removed Lloyd's Beacon and Flying for God's sake! Many of the spell schools are very unbalanced (Why is Earth so OP, and Air so shit?), there's all kinds of artificial content locking (you can't JUMP over this bridge or walk through this brush without X god's blessing, you can't use this boat until Y, nope you can't take this horse to Z yet because reasons). Itemization sucks. There are so many great features from the previous M&M games missing (where's arcomage?), and a whole bunch of garbage-grade Ubisoft crap added in. I can't really put my finger on it, but MMX was an unrewarding chore from beginning to quit time for me. They name-dropped a series with pedigree and farmed it out to a bunch of people who have no idea how to make a good RPG.

If any of you guys enjoyed MMX that is GREAT, I'm not dissing you, but life is too short to keep playing a game that you hate.

A far better spiritual successor was Charles-cgr's M&M clone, I enjoyed it so much more:

Swords and Sorcery - Underworld

Wow, didn't know this game, i'm not sure i can resist it for long now i know it's there ...

As for MMX, as Lacrymas said, there's a crippled version of Lloyd's Beacon, they changed its magic school (morons) to put it in primal magic.
Also, it's back to MM5- only one teleportation spot for spirit beacon, worse, you get two mages with it, they share the same teleportation spot, no way to have more than one (the guy who had this brilliant idea should be in guantanamo, it's a crime against gaming )

Otherwise, i agree, all those locked areas makes you feel like you're playing a console game (damn you, Ubisoft ).
The worse parts for me were travelling in town (maybe you didn't have time to "enjoy" that feature that much, it's terrible when you want to re-visit the second town's shops, even worse in the third ), travelling in general (only one spirit beacon spot) and loading time.

On top of that, modding was made very difficult.
Who the fuck are those guys, is it the first game they made, how many mistake can one make on one single project ?

It's a real shame, except for that, i think it's a great game, if those issues were addressed, it would have been a very good blobber, one of the best, maybe.

 

[Lacrymas]

I feel like I'm playing this game wrong. I'm in Swamp Town, yet the moment I exit I'm assaulted from all sides with Death Locusts and shit, constantly getting diseased and one-shotting Ressurectra, then I revive her, spam cure disease on everyone, rest and repeat. I can easily kill mobs, just this disease is driving me nuts. Is there a way to protect yourself from it? My party is level 10, am I supposed to be somewhere else and not here? Does the game expect you to grind? I hope it doesn't.

 

[Filthy Sauce]

Sorry for this boring question guys- but I decided to make a serious attempt to play mm6. I installed the greyface patch and everything works fine. I need to remap keys though, as my laptop keyboard layout is not ideal. Ive looked at the config file and see the keybinds, but I don't understand what the entries mean. It says stuff like 'attack=154'
'Run=64'
Etc

Am I even looking in the right area?

 

[Average Manatee]

Those are ascii key codes. Each number maps to a character.

http://www.asciitable.com/

 

[Wayward Son]

Those are ASCII scan codes, iirc. They're essentially how your PC reads the letters on your keyboards as integer values

 

[Lacrymas]

I buffed the cleric with everything and they still keep attacking her, but she won't die anymore. All's good.

 

[Lacrymas]

I just found out the Scorpias are indeed supposed to be an unflattering representation of Scorpia, the reviewer. Whatever happened to her? I know she said she didn't have enough income to buy a new computer to keep up with games at one point, which is pretty sad. Did she ever post here? It would've been right up her alley.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Did she ever post here?

Yes, I believe she goes by the name Darth Roxor these days.

 

[T. Reich]

Sorry for this boring question guys- but I decided to make a serious attempt to play mm6. I installed the greyface patch and everything works fine. I need to remap keys though, as my laptop keyboard layout is not ideal. Ive looked at the config file and see the keybinds, but I don't understand what the entries mean. It says stuff like 'attack=154'
'Run=64'
Etc

Am I even looking in the right area?

I'm currently replaying MM6 with GF patch as well.

From the patch notes:

Changing Controls:
Use https://sites.google.com/site/sergroj/mm/MM6Controls.rar to change controls.

This util provides an easy way to remap the MM6 controls without trying to gess what key corresponds with which number.

These are my key mappings, as an example:

Default MM6 keys, and how I remapped them for my use:

Spoiler

f4 - fullscreen/windowed - DO NOT USE!
q = quests -> make L
tab = char cycle
r = rest
t = time
y = yell -> make Q
a = autoattack -> make Z
s = quick spell -> make X
z = quick ref -> make K
x = jump -> make E
c = spell book
n = auto notes
m = map
enter = combat
space = action
r.ctrl = strafe toggle
shift = run
ins = fly down -> make PgDwn
PgUP = fly up
home = land
del = look down
PgDwn = look up -> make ins
end = center view
+/- = zoom auto map

How it looks in the config file:

Spoiler

[Settings]
QuickSavesKey=116
QuickLoadKey=119
MouseLook=1
AlwaysStrafe=1
FlipOnExit=0
LoudMusic=0
AlwaysRun=1
CapsLockToggleRun=0
QuickSavesCount=2
NoDeathMovie=0
NoCD=1
FixWalkSound=1
FixCompatibility=1
InventoryKey=73
ToggleCharacterScreenKey=192
FreeTabInInventory=1
FixDualWeaponsRecovery=1
PlayMP3=1
MusicLoopsCount=0
ReputationNumber=1
DoubleSpeedKey=113
TurnSpeedNormal=100
TurnSpeedDouble=120
IncreaseRecoveryRateStrength=10
ProgressiveDaggerTrippleDamage=1
FixChests=1
BlasterRecovery=5
DataFiles=1
MouseSensitivityX=35
MouseSensitivityY=35
MouseSensitivityAltModeX=75
MouseSensitivityAltModeY=75
MouseLookChangeKey=4
MouseLookTempKey=0
CapsLockToggleMouseLook=1
MouseLookUseAltMode=0
MouseLookFly=1
MouseWheelFly=1
AutorunKey=114

[Controls]
Key38=87
Key40=83
Key83=88
Key36=86
Key37=65
Key39=68
Key65=90
Key88=69
Key81=76

Key34=45
Key45=33
Key89=81
Key90=75

The end result is that I can easily access all buttons on the keyboard, default to mouselook with easy switch. The game runs perfectly fine for me with this set up.

 

[Darth Canoli]

I feel like I'm playing this game wrong. I'm in Swamp Town, yet the moment I exit I'm assaulted from all sides with Death Locusts and shit, constantly getting diseased and one-shotting Ressurectra, then I revive her, spam cure disease on everyone, rest and repeat. I can easily kill mobs, just this disease is driving me nuts. Is there a way to protect yourself from it? My party is level 10, am I supposed to be somewhere else and not here? Does the game expect you to grind? I hope it doesn't.

Well, there's a lot of places you should rather explore, in the mainland, the first castle, a lot of dungeons, not sure which ones you completed, some companions have dungeon keys, so, after you freed them from town's sewers/dungeons, just recruit them to get their keys then switch back (or not)

I remember exploring Cyclop dungeon early was a lot of fun, a single cyclop being a boss fight, besides, they only appear at the end of the dungeon, quite a lot to explore & loot in the meantime.


Now this : http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/rpg-codex™-2017-dungeon-crawlers-results.116847/

50 people having played M&M VI (2017 dungeon crawler review) yet 147 declaring it the best of the series in this thread, am i missing something ?

 

[Lacrymas]

I already cleared the entire swamp, so that's not a problem. I haven't found a single key to a dungeon yet, though, which is weird. I guess I should strip the hirelings of their keys.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Now this : http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/rpg-codex™-2017-dungeon-crawlers-results.116847/

50 people having played M&M VI (2017 dungeon crawler review) yet 147 declaring it the best of the series in this thread, am i missing something ?

Russian bots hijacked the election poll to further the pro-3D agenda.

 

[Damned Registrations]

I already cleared the entire swamp, so that's not a problem. I haven't found a single key to a dungeon yet, though, which is weird. I guess I should strip the hirelings of their keys.

You know not all the dungeons need keys right? Generally the ones that do are higher level areas anyways. Level 10 definitely seems low for swamp town iirc (You should have cleared at least 5-6 dungeons/caves/whatevers by that point, if we're including the ones in the towns), but I'm pretty fuzzy on the numbers. Did you skip Baywatch or something?

 

[Lacrymas]

I cleared all the town dungeons and cleared the entire swamp already. Since I didn't know where else to go, apart from teleporting with the well to the desert or the fire area (obviously not for my level), I got the hirelings and stripped them of their keys. Already cleared the Temple of Moo, 80% of the Dark Warrior Fort (the Jousters wreck me) and am at the end of the Cyclops cave. I got the Crusader title as well, so I can enter the castles too. Temple of Moo is obviously a low level dungeon, but there is no key that I've found anywhere apart from the inventory of the hirelings, which seems weird.

 

[fantadomat]

Now this : http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/rpg-codex™-2017-dungeon-crawlers-results.116847/

50 people having played M&M VI (2017 dungeon crawler review) yet 147 declaring it the best of the series in this thread, am i missing something ?

You do know that people don't know every single thread and poll in this forum,right? This a MM thread,naturally people that care about those games come here and don't search every poll about crawlers.