Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

[Storyfag]

In MM6 I had the option to change to MM6 classes (plus Thief for some reason) in all the starting trainer houses for the first day or so(?) then it disappeared. Any character could change to any of the classes. I didn't level up but maybe it vanishes once they are past a certain XP threshold.

One thing that annoys me is enforcing MM8 skill limits, so you need a dragon for ID item grandmaster and Minotaur (?) for merchant GM.

Yeah i wasted 30 points on wizard thinking he would get gm in IDItems. Was really pissed off.

The glorious Necromancer master race scoffs at filthy Wizard peasants.

Ohh the amount of liches i have killed,you just another one that needs to be made in to dust.

FABRICATE DIEM, PVNC!

In all seriousness though, I'm getting GM Id Item on my necros and NOT getting GM Alchemy for some reason.

 

[fantadomat]

In MM6 I had the option to change to MM6 classes (plus Thief for some reason) in all the starting trainer houses for the first day or so(?) then it disappeared. Any character could change to any of the classes. I didn't level up but maybe it vanishes once they are past a certain XP threshold.

One thing that annoys me is enforcing MM8 skill limits, so you need a dragon for ID item grandmaster and Minotaur (?) for merchant GM.

Yeah i wasted 30 points on wizard thinking he would get gm in IDItems. Was really pissed off.

The glorious Necromancer master race scoffs at filthy Wizard peasants.

Ohh the amount of liches i have killed,you just another one that needs to be made in to dust.

FABRICATE DIEM, PVNC!

In all seriousness though, I'm getting GM Id Item on my necros and NOT getting GM Alchemy for some reason.

MM8 skill system is shit,that is why. Also alchemy i useless.

 

[Storyfag]

MM8 skill system is shit,that is why. Also alchemy i useless.

Oh but I most definitely DO remember getting GM Alchemy on my necros in vanilla MM8. Some weird shit goes on.

Also, if anything, it's MM7 skill system, as that was the first game to introduce such restrictions.

 

[fantadomat]

MM8 skill system is shit,that is why. Also alchemy i useless.

Oh but I most definitely DO remember getting GM Alchemy on my necros in vanilla MM8. Some weird shit goes on.

Also, if anything, it's MM7 skill system, as that was the first game to introduce such restrictions.

Those restrictions were logical in mm7,the mm8 was rushed and they ere half assed. Also it uses some unholy mishmash of all three systems. As i said few times by now,they should clean it up and go with single clear system,not this shit.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

In all seriousness though, I'm getting GM Id Item on my necros and NOT getting GM Alchemy for some reason.

Because thief after two promotions (spy/assasin) can gm alchemy. Or at least that was written in tracker.

 

[lukaszek]

MM8 skill system is shit,that is why. Also alchemy i useless.

its fine... although black potions being accessible through shops and treasures greatly lowers its appeal. If there was black vampiric potion it would be different story

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

Storyfag Although, right now I am not seeing any changes for necros in alchemy on tracker, which is weird.

Edit: Wait wtf, looking on tables right now and spy can't gm alchemy either. The only who can gm alchemy - druid. Perhaps difference between main and community branches.

 

[fantadomat]

MM8 skill system is shit,that is why. Also alchemy i useless.

its fine... although black potions being accessible through shops and treasures greatly lowers its appeal. If there was black vampiric potion it would be different story

you waste nearly 60 sp on something you could just buy.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Druids were the only Alchemy GMs in MM7.

Who gets Merchant GM?

 

[Efe]

dark elves

 

[fantadomat]

dark elves

Mine gets only master. As i said it is a mess. It matter of which game is your starting one,then which portrait you use and then which class you have. My mage doesn't even have gm dark and light magic. Clearly the worst part of the game is the retarded skill system they had made.

 

[Efe]

afaik shit dont change depending on where you start.
there is only 1 class/race skills table

you get gm light/dark when you become lich/archmage or priest of dark/light

 

[Lhynn]

MMX is what happens when the blobber genre continues to pretend wizardry 8 never happened because it would require them to actually put effort into their games instead of releasing the same game over and over

No. MMX is what happens when big publisher decides to throw fans a bone and gives developers like 20 bucks to make a game.
It was a genuinely good effort, but it could never be as complex or big as wiz 8.

 

[Tacgnol]

I'd recommend using the unlocker mod for merge:
https://gitlab.com/templayer/mmmerge/-/tree/master/Extra/1FileMods/Unlocker

It allows you to make characters of any race and class combo in any place. So you can make vampire knights if you start with MM6 etc.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

Someone already captured prince of thieves in mm6? I am clicking on bed and he not showing up at all. Or quest in merge different now?

Edit: Nevermind, I was just stupid. Forgot to take quest first.

 

[Invictus]

Someone already captured prince of thieves in mm6? I am clicking on bed and he not showing up at all. Or quest in merge different now?

Edit: Nevermind, I was just stupid. Forgot to take quest first.

Yup one of the few quests you cannot find the “item” before taking the quest
I usually would find items in Dungeons and later find the quest giver which was pretty cool

 

[Arulan]

I haven't played Might & Magic: Book One in very long time. The early game in Sorpigal can be a little rough. I encountered a group of Sprites early on that wiped me out. I probably should have at least transferred the default party's items and gold over before creating my own party. Oh well.

Thought I'd use Grid Cartographer for this one.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

The mod actually makes MM6 fun which I did not think was possible. I was able to clear Darkmoor castle at level 33. It's way more balanced and fair, though I'm sure some people would argue the difficulty curve is now totally busted and ruined but whatever. I can't hear you over all these rebalanced spells and delicious grandmaster skills.

One legit thing is there were no GM trainers in Enroth originally so they just doubled them with all the master trainers which I think was a mistake. The GMs should be harder to find and take more effort, somewhere on the western side of the map. They clearly moved or altered NPC placement in houses so this really should have been possible.

Now if only there was a way to move blasters from the hand slot to the missile slot this would be the perfect mod.

 

[newtmonkey]

Arulan
Have you ever finished M&M 1 before? I played through it for the first time just a couple years ago and loved it, easily in my top 5 RPGs, maybe top 5 games of all time. Just seeing your map brings back pleasant memories of playing it. If you continue playing, please do update the thread, and it would be cool to see your maps as you play

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I should find my paper maps and scan them for nostalgia. Now, i finished on c64 so... maybe that's considered easy mode. I never finished it on PC. MM2 on c64... fucking snail hell! The load times. First dos pc 486 4dx100 and seeing MM2 was unbelievably fast. Still, didn't finish but damn it was fun until I caught wind of 3-WoX (and i blazed through those a few times). Good times.

 

[Arulan]

Arulan
Have you ever finished M&M 1 before? I played through it for the first time just a couple years ago and loved it, easily in my top 5 RPGs, maybe top 5 games of all time. Just seeing your map brings back pleasant memories of playing it. If you continue playing, please do update the thread, and it would be cool to see your maps as you play

I played it over 20 years go, but I don't believe I finished it. That said, I don't remember too much, so it may as well be new.

I'll try to update as I go. Grid Cartographer sure helps to make some good-looking maps.

 

[Arulan]

Starting to encounter some tougher enemies underneath Sorpigal. These Fire Ants are immune to fire, and don't appear to be affected by Sleep. The Troglodytes poisoned my whole party which resulted in a party wipe. I did find some Chain Mail, so that should help. Make that Plate Mail.

And I received my first quest, taking me to another town. If I recall there are at least a couple ways to get there at this point. I'm going to continue exploring Sorpigal and its surrounding areas before heading out though.

That's one thing I appreciate about the series -- that the main quest isn't immediately revealed to you. You have to pick the pieces up as you go along.

 

[octavius]

Don't forget to always have buffing spells like Levitate, Leather Skin and Protection spells on. And getting a blessing from a temple helps too.

 

[Arulan]

octavius Yeah, I need to remember to keep those active. Do you know what kinds of things Levitate protects from? Ground-based traps?

I believe I've explored all of Sorpigal and its dungeon. I know I can pay a Gem to get to Eriquim at this point, but I wanted to explore the outside a little first in hopes of finding it on my own. As you can see I traveled some down a few roads.

I have to say the combat is pretty damn good. A lot better than my limited memory of it recalled.

I've been going back and forth on my mapping icon standards. I want to keep it similar to what I'd actually draw myself, but some of the icons (Fountain, Monster, NPC, etc.) are pretty good.

 

[octavius]

octavius Yeah, I need to remember to keep those active. Do you know what kinds of things Levitate protects from? Ground-based traps?

I remember it definitely protecting against pit traps at least, and I'm pretty sure against lava/fire traps too (at least it does in MM2).