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Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread
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T. Reich
Arcane
MM6 arma is weak shit.
fantadomat
Arcane
Fireblast!
Arulan
Cipher
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I'm continuing to explore Varn. My party is now level 5, which means I can cast Fly. I randomly decide to fly to A2, and I'm soon welcomed by this Red Dragon, who proceeds to kill my whole party with a Fire Breath...
I also came across the town of Portsmith. This isn't going to work out very well... The Jump spell helps though. Now that I'm thinking about it, I didn't try to see if Levitate would work here.
I have a lead on where to find Dusk. I should have looked at the included map this whole time. It would have helped me find Eriquim before as well.
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Lonely Vazdru
Pimp my Title
Males are drained ? WTF ?
Piotrovitz
Savant
MM6 itself requires shitload amount of time to complete - combine those three and you get something like what, >200 hours of gameplay?
Not many have luxury to piss away entire days of their lives on a games that they've already finished, probably few times already.
Anyway, it's an ambitious project and kudos for working on that.
Not many have luxury to piss away entire days of their lives on a games that they've already finished, probably few times already.
Anyway, it's an ambitious project and kudos for working on that.
DaveO
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My best chance for M&M merge is to transport into MM7 and work my way back to 6. I really don't like MM7 so I might as well start on the one that I dislike the most. Then go to MM6 to avoid things being super easy. It's all going to be Bolstered for the enemy for them to have a chance. The Dragon may not be the "newbie" class with bolstered enemies. Or it could still be a curb stomp.
Rinslin Merwind
Erudite
Completed majority of mm7 quests, in mm6 cleaned almost all dungeons and quests, haven't touched mm8 quests/dungeons yet. Still interested in finishing all three games.
People complaining about uneven difficulty scaling and stuff, but hear me out.
I played mm6, mm7 and mm8 several years ago and there some things I remember from original games:
1) MM6 - majority of spells is useless, enemies resistant to everything except psychical/energy (sequels had tough enemies too, but at least they had a working wide array of resistances, rather than "magic resistance" that automatically transmutes 99% spells into garbage). Maybe I am exaggerating right now, but this how I felt while playing original.
2) MM7 - "Ah, I am really exited to use these grandmaster spells now...wait, what do you mean this is last location where I can use it?" Game feels much smaller than previous, not much room for playing around with all wide array of skills/spells that this game has to offer. In my first walkthrough, I have done big chunk of content before even gaining access to light magic. And gatekeeping skills behind main quest does not help.
3) MM8 - better balanced spellbook, but you are restricted to make only one character and hire created by devs companions (without mods). I am not big fan of this approach at all, so I installed mod on creating your own party(when played first time), but still. Races as classes are cool and all, but it would be cool if mm6-7 classes were in game.
Yes, mod is unbalanced, but at least it solves problems mentioned above( well maybe partially in mm7 content), at least for me.
As Grampy_Bone said, it would be better if masters would be separated from grandmasters (though I don't think that all gms should live in remote locations, their locations should be logical and no GM of identification items would want to live in some shithole)
And ability to equip blaster as missile weapon is awesome idea.
Now, about global problems:
When I started to playing, my original plan was to play mm6-mm7-mm8 in chronological order, like band of immortal murderhobos, which kicks ass through centuries (Or how much years passed between games? I don't remember) But after playing it for some time, I realized that in the end, this mod is basically three games stitched together and requires player to hope around, even if you don't need mm7 class promotions, because if you manage to handle mm6 endgame - nobody will be able to stop you in other games. Basically, IMO this mod is three games stitched together and every one of them has end game that makes starting content of other games to fall apart. To achieve an experience that I imagined (when started playing) there should be more thorough redesign of locations and monster placement in world with fixed starting point in one of the games. And some quests should be added on all continents, particularly class promotions.
However this mod do achieve some pretty impressive things, even if it's flawed.
People complaining about uneven difficulty scaling and stuff, but hear me out.
I played mm6, mm7 and mm8 several years ago and there some things I remember from original games:
1) MM6 - majority of spells is useless, enemies resistant to everything except psychical/energy (sequels had tough enemies too, but at least they had a working wide array of resistances, rather than "magic resistance" that automatically transmutes 99% spells into garbage). Maybe I am exaggerating right now, but this how I felt while playing original.
2) MM7 - "Ah, I am really exited to use these grandmaster spells now...wait, what do you mean this is last location where I can use it?" Game feels much smaller than previous, not much room for playing around with all wide array of skills/spells that this game has to offer. In my first walkthrough, I have done big chunk of content before even gaining access to light magic. And gatekeeping skills behind main quest does not help.
3) MM8 - better balanced spellbook, but you are restricted to make only one character and hire created by devs companions (without mods). I am not big fan of this approach at all, so I installed mod on creating your own party(when played first time), but still. Races as classes are cool and all, but it would be cool if mm6-7 classes were in game.
Yes, mod is unbalanced, but at least it solves problems mentioned above( well maybe partially in mm7 content), at least for me.
As Grampy_Bone said, it would be better if masters would be separated from grandmasters (though I don't think that all gms should live in remote locations, their locations should be logical and no GM of identification items would want to live in some shithole)
And ability to equip blaster as missile weapon is awesome idea.
Now, about global problems:
When I started to playing, my original plan was to play mm6-mm7-mm8 in chronological order, like band of immortal murderhobos, which kicks ass through centuries (Or how much years passed between games? I don't remember) But after playing it for some time, I realized that in the end, this mod is basically three games stitched together and requires player to hope around, even if you don't need mm7 class promotions, because if you manage to handle mm6 endgame - nobody will be able to stop you in other games. Basically, IMO this mod is three games stitched together and every one of them has end game that makes starting content of other games to fall apart. To achieve an experience that I imagined (when started playing) there should be more thorough redesign of locations and monster placement in world with fixed starting point in one of the games. And some quests should be added on all continents, particularly class promotions.
However this mod do achieve some pretty impressive things, even if it's flawed.
Not much more than 20 years.
Rinslin Merwind
Erudite
Hmm, I guess possibility to design mod in a way, which allows beating in original order without "time travel" and other bullshit. But it would require redesign enemies in Enroth (gotta figure out on what replace titans/dragons/demons) and locations in Antagarich, Jadame (need more space for dragons and titans). A work of truly gigantic proportion. So I understand why modders decided do stuff in the way they did.
Rinslin Merwind
Erudite
You mean, "directed" in a sense of giant portal accessible without town portal or something? Because I was annoyed mostly by the fact that rest of the party should drop EVERYTHING, and rush to another continent just to allow thief learn disarm at more high rank. Yes town portal is useful spell, but I was a bit irritated still.
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Rinslin Merwind
Erudite
Rinslin Merwind
Erudite
Btw, does anyone remember a effective skill cap for mm6-8 games? Was it 40 or 60? And do bonuses from items count after this cap? Like if you have 30 dark magic, will bonus +32 count?
Rinslin Merwind
Erudite
Rinslin Merwind
Erudite
Rinslin Merwind
Erudite
Ok, there quick run down for you, why I find your statements silly as best:
1) There already existed precedent when two similar games have been merged: World of Xeen
2) Yes, m6-7-8 similar,and that's precisely they could be merged, because merging completely different games is task even more complicated if possible at all.
3) If you can't process a reasons why someone would do something his/her free time - maybe problem in your INT score and/or in rigid, strict agenda? I mean, why should someone spend his/her time on something, that your endless check list of a life proscribes as "smart", if they can just ignore your dumb ass and just do their own thing? This mod isn't hurting anyone or ruin anything, so I don't see why not.
Yes, mod has many flaws and you have right to say "it's bad", but your reason why these 3 games should be not merged is very flawed to say the least.
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