Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

[KeighnMcDeath]

I should have used ninja I guess.

 

[Hobo Elf]

MM3-5 are easy enough where it doesn't really matter. Yeah, there are optimal choices, obviously. But you're not going to be punished if you just go with what sounds fun to you.

 

[Average Manatee]

Equipment options barely matters in MM3-5, going from 1d8 to 1d12 or w/e or having +4 AC is completely irrelevant by the time you're 10% into the game and getting +10 weapons or buffing with +10 buffs (which can also be stronger from temp level bonuses so quickly +20). For this reason barbarian is essentially strictly superior to knight. The only counterargument is that there does exist some small chance that you get an obsidian weapon really early that a knight could use but a barbarian couldn't but that's a fairly temporary benefit if it happens at all.

MM3-5 are easy enough where it doesn't really matter. Yeah, there are optimal choices, obviously. But you're not going to be punished if you just go with what sounds fun to you.

Yeah this too. Plus at the very start of the game what it mostly comes down to is your starting stats and after that you'll be unstoppable if you've reconned well and hit the proper temp boost shrines for an area first. To make MM3-5 challenging you'd need to do something like an all barbarian run. On the flipside even 6 full casters can definitely output decent melee damage while buffed and your defense doesn't really go down with them.

 

[Gaznak]

I play M&M 3 now and I have a question about item properties.

1. There is a special item property LEATHER that gives -4 to Hit, -6 Damage, 0 AC.

2. With that, there is an armor piece LEATHER ARMOR thats gives +3 AC.

Everything seems more or less clear so far, an item property LEATHER is not the same 'leather' that is in LEATHER ARMOR. Well, OK.

3. With that, there are additional items like Gauntlets, Boots and Cloak (there are some more, maybe, but I met these 3 so far). These items can be LEATHER GAUNTLETS, LEATHER BOOTS and LEATHER CLOAK as well as, say, Glass Gauntlets (Boots, Cloak), Crystal Gauntlets (Boots, Cloak) and so on. So, thinking logically, this LEATHER should be like the item property LEATHER (see Clause 1). But when I check them with Identify option, there's None penalty in To Hit and Damage stats, and there's +1 AC bonus.

Well, someone can say "C'mon, dude, M&M 3 is such an easy game, no need to screw your brain with such a bullshit!" but I strangely enjoy the M&M 3 inventory fiddling, these little funny item icons and podgy jagged font tranquillize me, so I would want to solve this Leather Mystery.

 

[Covenant]

I play M&M 3 now and I have a question about item properties.

1. There is a special item property LEATHER that gives -4 to Hit, -6 Damage, 0 AC.

2. With that, there is an armor piece LEATHER ARMOR thats gives +3 AC.

Everything seems more or less clear so far, an item property LEATHER is not the same 'leather' that is in LEATHER ARMOR. Well, OK.

3. With that, there are additional items like Gauntlets, Boots and Cloak (there are some more, maybe, but I met these 3 so far). These items can be LEATHER GAUNTLETS, LEATHER BOOTS and LEATHER CLOAK as well as, say, Glass Gauntlets (Boots, Cloak), Crystal Gauntlets (Boots, Cloak) and so on. So, thinking logically, this LEATHER should be like the item property LEATHER (see Clause 1). But when I check them with Identify option, there's None penalty in To Hit and Damage stats, and there's +1 AC bonus.

Well, someone can say "C'mon, dude, M&M 3 is such an easy game, no need to screw your brain with such a bullshit!" but I strangely enjoy the M&M 3 inventory fiddling, these little funny item icons and podgy jagged font tranquillize me, so I would want to solve this Leather Mystery.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Wooden & leather are some of the worse items. A challenge if you can equip a full party and say "We're so fucking bad ass we use the shittiest items! Fuck off Sheltem!"

https://shrines.rpgclassics.com/pc/mm3/items.shtml

 

[0sacred]

Trying to run MM7 under Windows 11. GOG Launcher doesn't work at all. When running the .exe directly it takes several tries to get anything to happen. Then a small white rectangle appears, and disappears. Game doesn't load.

This persists in software and windowed mode.

 

[zapotec]

Are you using grayface patch?

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I refuse to install win11. If i buy a new computer and it has it... oh well.

 

[0sacred]

Are you using grayface patch?

nop

and wouldn't want to use it. Well it started now, after many tries. Let's hope it is reproducible

 

[lukaszek]

mm6-8 runs fine on my machine with win11, problem is likely on your end.

Also which exploit is so crucial to you that you dont want grayface

 

[0sacred]

Also which exploit is so crucial to you that you dont want grayface

it's rather Grayface's bug fixes that are exploits, as the game wasn't balanced for them. Like fixing Haste and Archers' bow damage.

 

[zapotec]

So the developpers balanced the game around non functioning spells and skills?

 

[0sacred]

So the developpers balanced the game around non functioning spells and skills?

yes. QA only tested the game in its current state (as far as we know). For the same reason I no longer use Bones' MM6 patch that makes dual wielding actually work. Dual wielding is a game changer in MM7 and 8, I assume it's the same for MM6. And the game was never tested with functioning dual wielding. Granted, MM6 balance is totally borked with Dark Magic being available early on and everything, but it still feels unsatisfactory to faceroll the game because you used a community patch.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

I dunno about that. If it doesn't work it should. Developers might've been forbidden to officially work on further patching for contract reasons. Like, from a higher-up POV, patching is time and effort wasted in a project that was already delivered as opposed to working on something that hasn't been delivered yet. The issue here is that fan mods often introduce things nobody really wanted, which is why I tend to stay away from mods that "balance" things and stick to others that do purely technical things.

 

[TheDeveloperDude]

M&M2 Gates to another world

I want a clerics-sorcerers only party. But can I disarm chests without a robber/ninja?
Any available spell, item etc?
I know I cannot equip the Thief's pick. :-(

 

[0sacred]

I've never played MM7 using stealing before, is it borked or what? I'm an Expert with a burglar NPC, and I stil can't steal the lowliest crap from the very first shop in Harmondale. Is it based on level or something?

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Can you steal from the monsters?
Japanese version you steal their panties.

 

[Mauman]

M&M2 Gates to another world

I want a clerics-sorcerers only party. But can I disarm chests without a robber/ninja?
Any available spell, item etc?
I know I cannot equip the Thief's pick. :-(

As far as I'm aware there's no way to get thievery on a non-robber/ninja and no item/spell to replicate it.

You could eat the traps, but that's not something I'd recommend.

All said and done however, this is not MM6-8. There's enough anti-magic zones and enemies just flat out immune to spells that I could only describe such a playthrough as "ball busting hard"

edit - oh, and gems will be a serious issue. Unless you plan on using the absolute piss weak spells or just having half your characters act as fighter-wannabes or something most of the time

 

[lycanwarrior]

After 25 years, Might and Magic 6 reminds us what it's like to have fun

That game was fantastic and ranks up there with BG2 as one of my all time favorite RPGs and games in general.

 

[octavius]

Can you steal from the monsters?
Japanese version you steal their panties.

The things you know...

 

[madrigal]

M&M2 Gates to another world

I want a clerics-sorcerers only party. But can I disarm chests without a robber/ninja?
Any available spell, item etc?
I know I cannot equip the Thief's pick. :-(

You can get a weapon usable by Sorcerers that improves thievery skill and you can level it up. It is also easy enough to just tank the damage, if you bring magic herbs with you can make sure everyone is awake after combat and provided not everyone is knocked unconscious nobody will die. Unlike D&D It does not matter how much damage you take in a single hit if you are conscious you will not die.

 

[Aarwolf]

manlets btfo

I'd take a dwarf companion any time over all those elves, tieflings and other muh snowflake special race whatever the fuck do they call it now.

 

[Mauman]

M&M2 Gates to another world

I want a clerics-sorcerers only party. But can I disarm chests without a robber/ninja?
Any available spell, item etc?
I know I cannot equip the Thief's pick. :-(

You can get a weapon usable by Sorcerers that improves thievery skill and you can level it up. It is also easy enough to just tank the damage, if you bring magic herbs with you can make sure everyone is awake after combat and provided not everyone is knocked unconscious nobody will die. Unlike D&D It does not matter how much damage you take in a single hit if you are conscious you will not die.

Took me a moment to figure out what you were talking about.

Looter knife from the Ice cavern, right? I forgot about that one.

 

[madrigal]

M&M2 Gates to another world

I want a clerics-sorcerers only party. But can I disarm chests without a robber/ninja?
Any available spell, item etc?
I know I cannot equip the Thief's pick. :-(

You can get a weapon usable by Sorcerers that improves thievery skill and you can level it up. It is also easy enough to just tank the damage, if you bring magic herbs with you can make sure everyone is awake after combat and provided not everyone is knocked unconscious nobody will die. Unlike D&D It does not matter how much damage you take in a single hit if you are conscious you will not die.

Took me a moment to figure out what you were talking about.

Looter knife from the Ice cavern, right? I forgot about that one.

Yeah, there is also the Pirates Crossbow, but not suitable for Clerics and Sorcerers.