The Outer Worlds Pre-Release Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Efe]

Piracy is necessary evil.

 

[Prime Junta]

I don't say "I fight the man" by pirating AAA games, but i don't benefit them either. That's good enough for me.

I can’t help picking up some cognitive dissonance here. On the one hand, you think AAA games are decline and cancer. On the other, you waste significant chunks of your time pirating and presumably playing them. This does not compute.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

I can’t help picking up some cognitive dissonance here. On the one hand, you think AAA games are decline and cancer. On the other, you waste significant chunks of your time pirating and presumably playing them. This does not compute.

Ah yes let's play the psych 101 jargon game. Let me clarify, i don't hate AAA games. I consider a lot of them fun, or even "good" games. Granted, there are AAA products that are decline (when they are RPGs) or cancer (veiled digital casinos etc), but I don't pirate or play those. My problem is not really the games themselves, but the business and anti-consumer practices the publishers putting these games out adopt. I like to play those games, and i feel no shame or moral anxiety when i pirate and play them, so your point that this is some sort of "excuse" on my part is simply false. I believe this should be sufficient to clear up your confusion.

 

[Butter]

If you can't be arsed to buy the damn game, maybe you shouldn't be wasting your time playing it. Or to put it another way, if a game isn't worth your money, why is it worth your time?

 

[santino27]

I suspect Outer Worlds will at best be mediocre. If so, I have no problem waiting a year+ for it to show up on Steam for a discount. If it's "great", I'll look into maybe doing a Windows game pass. If it's neither, then it's a pass... why bother pirating something that sucks when there are so many games out there?

 

[Prime Junta]

I believe this should be sufficient to clear up your confusion.

It did. I still think you’re full of shit, but I’m now clearer about the texture and smell.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

If you can't be arsed to buy the damn game, maybe you shouldn't be wasting your time playing it. Or to put it another way, if a game isn't worth your money, why is it worth your time?

Because the games are good, but the business practices behind them are shitty. So it's worth my time, but not my money. Specially if you live in the US and buy from Steam or EGS (who sell you licenses and not products, even though they advertise the games as products).

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

I believe this should be sufficient to clear up your confusion.

It did. I still think you’re full of shit, but I’m now clearer about the texture and smell.

Well then, why don't you take the next step and take a lick? Without the taste, your sensory picture will be incomplete.

 

[Prime Junta]

Specially if you live in the US and buy from Steam or EGS (who sell you licenses and not products, even though they advertise the games as products).

Sounds like subscription services are tailor made for you. No pretense of ownership, no paid DLC, cheap as soap.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Sounds like subscription services are tailor made for you. No pretense of ownership, no paid DLC, cheap as soap.

No mate, you touched the core of the issue. I have a problem when someone wants to sell me a service masked as a product. Thankfully EU consumer law has very clear definitions as to why such a thing is illegal (refer to recent France VS. Valve court case regarding the issue for reference). If it makes you feel any better, i have never pirated a game that has a DRM-free version where i get to keep the product.

 

[Prime Junta]

No mate, you touched the core of the issue. I have a problem when someone wants to sell me a service masked as a product.

But that’s the point, subscription services are open about being services. Play anything on the list as much as you like as long as it’s on the list and you’re a subscriber.

Personally I really dig this. There are only a handful of games I like enough to return to, the majority I only ever play once, most of them I don’t even finish. A subscription service is perfect for this.

FWIW I detest Steam, it’s a parasite ruthlessly sucking the juice out of everything by way of its dominant market position. Epic is by far the lesser evil.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

No mate, you touched the core of the issue. I have a problem when someone wants to sell me a service masked as a product.

But that’s the point, subscription services are open about being services. Play anything on the list as much as you like as long as it’s on the list and you’re a subscriber.

Personally I really dig this. There are only a handful of games I like enough to return to, the majority I only ever play once, most of them I don’t even finish. A subscription service is perfect for this.

Great, more power to you. Personally i don't like that model. I like to own and keep stuff i buy including my games. Considering how much money I spend on games, i think it's only right. At the very least, i can legally bequeath my games when i die if i own them as products.

I like the PS Now service though. It'll allow you to play PS4 games on your PC. Recently they added GoW and some other games. At the very least, the service there is renting you a PS4 (or its equivalent) so the money spent is justified in my eyes.

 

[Prime Junta]

I like to own and keep stuff i buy including my games.

Same, which is one reason I strongly dislike Steam. As you said, they imply that you're buying the games when in reality they retain the right to yank them whenever they like, and if they go out of business you're completely SoL. I only buy from Steam if there's no other option available.

And, again, this is precisely why I like this recent advent of subscription services so much. They don't pretend they're selling you products, and they're priced accordingly.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

And, again, this is precisely why I like this recent advent of subscription services so much. They don't pretend they're selling you products, and they're priced accordingly.

Yeah i agree with this. There is one more angle to the situation though, and that's game preservation. An industry that's 100% based on the service model poses a problem for preserving games. Specially in the case of a platform like Stadia where the game files never end up on your system in any meaningful way. If the service ever goes down, there might be a chance of the game files being lost forever. You might think that developers and publishers will not allow such a thing to happen, but just look at how much source code a company like Nintendo has lost over the years. I think game preservation is a perfectly valid reason for piracy. It's the type of piracy that's not aimed at benefiting you personally but preserving valuable works of human creativity. Recently, I believe there's an Australian group that has begun seriously preserving games. Point is, imo Piracy is not a black or white sort of situation. There are avenues where it can be a force for real good. It all depends on the person and their priorities.

 

[Prime Junta]

Game preservation is important and it certainly won't happen by itself. I don't think piracy is even a valid term when discussing it in that context.

I also think that it ought to be possible to do with the cooperation of the distribution services. They're concerned about losing sales, and game preservation is no threat to that; in fact participating in such efforts would be good PR that costs practically nothing so they even have an incentive to do so.

Edit: wtf happened, we were slinging shit at each other a few messages ago and now we're in the middle of a civil discussion, what is the internet coming to, of the Codex

 

[Sailor Woedica]

Bethesda is maybe releasing a totally complete Fallout collection the same day The Outer Worlds is out.

https://www.gamesradar.com/fallout-legacy-collection-leak/

 

[DalekFlay]

Debating piracy on the Codex is the biggest waste of time ever, but I think anyone who likes a game enough to put considerable time into it but didn't pay something for it is a total asshat. Pirating abandonware or for a demo is one thing, enjoying a playing a new game extensively and offering no money for its creation is another.

 

[drgames]

I don't see the problem, it is pretty obvious that Outer Worlds is just NV in space and disco elysium is coming on the 15th of october, with over sixty hour of gameplay.

 

[Ranarama]

(I have no sympathy for people pirating indies though. That’s stealing from the poor, which makes you almost as bad as a capitalist.)

Given EPIC's deals, it is only stealing from Tim Sweeney, which is an actively good act.

Devs get paid no matter what, because their game already got bought by 10c.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Edit: wtf happened, we were slinging shit at each other a few messages ago and now we're in the middle of a civil discussion, what is the internet coming to, of the Codex

Meh, slinging shit is just another form of civil discussion really.

Jokes aside, that's why i immensely respect GOG. So far, it's the only real platform with a real agenda other than making the maximum amount of money. GOG is also the only platform I know of that actively contributes towards game preservation. As you know, they've been instrumental in making old games playable on modern PCs. Sadly, the same cannot be said of Steam. Granted, Valve has done a lot for PC gaming specifically by creating their platform and proving to publishers that the PC audience is large and accessible, but sadly not much else. Even EGS is not entirely evil as most people seem to think. I mean they actively encourage creation of middle-market games by paying out of their own pocket. I actually think of Epic as some sort of game development fund - and imo the best games are always from middle-market developers. Things are not entirely terrible, but could always be better.

 

[Efe]

FWIW I detest Steam, it’s a parasite ruthlessly sucking the juice out of everything by way of its dominant market position. Epic is by far the lesser evil.

i expected better of myself

 

[Ranarama]

I can’t help picking up some cognitive dissonance here. On the one hand, you think AAA games are decline and cancer. On the other, you waste significant chunks of your time pirating and presumably playing them. This does not compute.

It's almost like there's some sort of distinction between the business practices and the actual game that you aren't getting. Oh well.

 

[Prime Junta]

It's almost like there's some sort of distinction between the business practices and the actual game that you aren't getting. Oh well.

Eh I'm not gonna waste my energy white knighting for parasitic corporations but I still think you're kind of a cunt if you pirate a game and then justify it to yourself as political. Thing with boycotts and civil disobedience in general is that you're ready to take the consequences: if you really hate a company's business practices, the morally upstanding way to protest it is to not use their services, throw rocks at their office, and milkshake the CEO. So it's not the piracy that sticks in my craw, it's the pretence of moral superiority.

But whatever, they sure don't need me to defend them, they've got an army of lawyers and PR hacks for that. Pirate away, just not from devs who really need your support.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

it is pretty obvious that Outer Worlds is just NV in space

If more games were just FNV but different places , i would not complain tbh.

Btw I really don't see the reason for this whole piracy discussion in this thread lol. If you're interested but not sold on The Outer Worlds just pay $5 bucks , play a whole month and decided if it's worth buy now , later because you really preffer steam or never. If you're already sold just buy the game and if don't give a fuck and already hate the game , why the fuck you would pirate something that you gonna hate.
This game has like 0 reasons to be pirated.

 

[Jenkem]

I hope this game goes as hard after "gnomes" as Arcanum...