The PS5 and Xbox 2 thread - it's happening

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

So...Sony won the console war.

Sony has been losing to Nintendo for the last few years. So Sony isn’t winning either.

 

[Cyberarmy]

So...Sony won the console war.

Noone won and we lost...

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Will it all crash? I thought Nintendo was a bit xenophobic and their library site is absolute ass to various older titles and ips? Then again, maybe Sony is a bit of the same.

 

[Elttharion]

So...Sony won the console war.

Sony has been losing to Nintendo for the last few years. So Sony isn’t winning either.

Sony and Nintendo can happily coexist in the console space. They offer vastly different products. Nintendo rarely if ever acquires studios or exclusives so Sony doesnt need to fear losing games. Their audiences are also pretty different and lots of popular games skip the Switch due to how underpowered it is. Nintendo earns far more on their first party output but Sony outpaces them when you consider revenue from third party games like COD, Fifa, GTA, etc. In fact a lot of people I know have both consoles.

Nintendo sells more consoles and first party games but thats only part of the equation.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

So...Sony won the console war.

Sony has been losing to Nintendo for the last few years. So Sony isn’t winning either.

Sony and Nintendo can happily coexist in the console space. They offer vastly different products. Nintendo rarely if ever acquires studios or exclusives so Sony doesnt need to fear losing games. Their audiences are also pretty different and lots of popular games skip the Switch due to how underpowered it is. Nintendo earns far more on their first party output but Sony outpaces them when you consider revenue from third party games like COD, Fifa, GTA, etc. In fact a lot of people I know have both consoles.

Nintendo sells more consoles and first party games but thats only part of the equation.

Sony only outpaces Nintendo on third party titles because third party publishers have largely ignored Nintendo for Sony and Microsoft ever seen the GameCube. Come the Switch 2, Nintendo’s relationship with third parties is probably going to change. The third party publishers (and Sony and Microsoft for that matter) were not expecting the Switch to do what the Switch did, and the third parties were definitely expecting the PS5 to be in a better place than it is right now.

It wouldn’t surprise me if when the Switch 2 comes along that that becomes the target system for many publisher’s big series in the same kind of way the PS2 was the target system for most things despite being weaker than the GameCube and Xbox. A bunch of publishers took a gamble a few years ago, probably thought the PS5 would be doing just as good or even better than the PS4 was doing three years in, (it only just recently hit the end of the PS4’s second year sales numbers) and those publishers bet wrong.

 

[Elttharion]

So...Sony won the console war.

Sony has been losing to Nintendo for the last few years. So Sony isn’t winning either.

Sony and Nintendo can happily coexist in the console space. They offer vastly different products. Nintendo rarely if ever acquires studios or exclusives so Sony doesnt need to fear losing games. Their audiences are also pretty different and lots of popular games skip the Switch due to how underpowered it is. Nintendo earns far more on their first party output but Sony outpaces them when you consider revenue from third party games like COD, Fifa, GTA, etc. In fact a lot of people I know have both consoles.

Nintendo sells more consoles and first party games but thats only part of the equation.

Sony only outpaces Nintendo on third party titles because third party publishers have largely ignored Nintendo for Sony and Microsoft ever seen the GameCube. Come the Switch 2, Nintendo’s relationship with third parties is probably going to change. The third party publishers (and Sony and Microsoft for that matter) were not expecting the Switch to do what the Switch did, and the third parties were definitely expecting the PS5 to be in a better place than it is right now.

It wouldn’t surprise me if when the Switch 2 comes along that that becomes the target system for many publisher’s big series in the same kind of way the PS2 was the target system for most things despite being weaker than the GameCube and Xbox. A bunch of publishers took a gamble a few years ago, probably thought the PS5 would be doing just as good or even better than the PS4 was doing three years in, (it only just recently hit the end of the PS4’s second year sales numbers) and those publishers bet wrong.

Not sure were did you get that info but the PS5 reached the 50 million milestone just one week later than the PS4, launches aligned.

The PS5 has sold 48.93 million units in 37 months, while the PS4 sold 49.08 million units. Month 37 for the PS5 is November 2023 and for the PS4 is November 2016.

In the US, PS5 is now trending 5% above PS4 and 87% ahead of PS3 in time aligned units sold life-to-date, while Xbox Series trails Xbox One by 10% yet leads Xbox 360 by 6%.

PS5 hit 50m sales (sold to consumers, not shipments) on December 9th. Which is about a week slower than PS4. Back in July, the console was tracking 2 months behind PS4.

Player excitement for PS5 is higher than ever making this the biggest November for PlayStation consoles sold through to consumers.

And that is considering the huge shortages that happened when the PS5 launched. I had friends on 6-8 months long wait lists. Another thing is that the PS2 sold aprox. 7 times more than the gamecube and that was a time when you could easily change consoles since everything was physical, now people have digital game libraries spanning more than a decade on playstation, its very hard to make people switch consoles nowadays. The switch released 7 years ago and was huge from the start, thats enough time for publishers to change strategies and start supporting the system more and more, but the largely didnt. I agree that the switch 2 will probably see more support than the switch, depending of course on its sucess and the power of its hardware, but the huge hitters like COD, GTA and Fifa will still sell more on playstation.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Yeah, I remembered the PS4 release date wrong. The PS4 and PS5 both hit 50 million within the same time frame.

 

[KeAShizuku]

So...Sony won the console war.

Sony has been losing to Nintendo for the last few years. So Sony isn’t winning either.

Disagree. Why is the Switch a hybrid? Because the WiiU failed.

 

[lycanwarrior]

Xbox Planning a “Business Update Event” Next Week Amid Rampant Multiplatform Rumors​

https://wccftech.com/xbox-business-update-event-multiplatform/

That's a rap, boys.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Philly is just gonna spin this again into a "This is a great win for gamers!" message.

Of course it's bullshit. It's a win for money, and nothing else.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

How he hasn't been sacked yet I'll never know.

 

[deuxhero]

So...Sony won the console war.

Sony has been losing to Nintendo for the last few years. So Sony isn’t winning either.

Sony and Nintendo can happily coexist in the console space. They offer vastly different products. Nintendo rarely if ever acquires studios or exclusives so Sony doesnt need to fear losing games. Their audiences are also pretty different and lots of popular games skip the Switch due to how underpowered it is. Nintendo earns far more on their first party output but Sony outpaces them when you consider revenue from third party games like COD, Fifa, GTA, etc. In fact a lot of people I know have both consoles.

Nintendo sells more consoles and first party games but thats only part of the equation.

Sony only outpaces Nintendo on third party titles because third party publishers have largely ignored Nintendo for Sony and Microsoft ever seen the GameCube. Come the Switch 2, Nintendo’s relationship with third parties is probably going to change. The third party publishers (and Sony and Microsoft for that matter) were not expecting the Switch to do what the Switch did, and the third parties were definitely expecting the PS5 to be in a better place than it is right now.

It wouldn’t surprise me if when the Switch 2 comes along that that becomes the target system for many publisher’s big series in the same kind of way the PS2 was the target system for most things despite being weaker than the GameCube and Xbox. A bunch of publishers took a gamble a few years ago, probably thought the PS5 would be doing just as good or even better than the PS4 was doing three years in, (it only just recently hit the end of the PS4’s second year sales numbers) and those publishers bet wrong.

Not sure were did you get that info but the PS5 reached the 50 million milestone just one week later than the PS4, launches aligned.

The PS5 has sold 48.93 million units in 37 months, while the PS4 sold 49.08 million units. Month 37 for the PS5 is November 2023 and for the PS4 is November 2016.

In the US, PS5 is now trending 5% above PS4 and 87% ahead of PS3 in time aligned units sold life-to-date, while Xbox Series trails Xbox One by 10% yet leads Xbox 360 by 6%.

PS5 hit 50m sales (sold to consumers, not shipments) on December 9th. Which is about a week slower than PS4. Back in July, the console was tracking 2 months behind PS4.

Player excitement for PS5 is higher than ever making this the biggest November for PlayStation consoles sold through to consumers.

And that is considering the huge shortages that happened when the PS5 launched. I had friends on 6-8 months long wait lists. Another thing is that the PS2 sold aprox. 7 times more than the gamecube and that was a time when you could easily change consoles since everything was physical, now people have digital game libraries spanning more than a decade on playstation, its very hard to make people switch consoles nowadays. The switch released 7 years ago and was huge from the start, thats enough time for publishers to change strategies and start supporting the system more and more, but the largely didnt. I agree that the switch 2 will probably see more support than the switch, depending of course on its sucess and the power of its hardware, but the huge hitters like COD, GTA and Fifa will still sell more on playstation.

PS4+PS5 Software sales did drop after the PS5 launch though,

 

[Elttharion]

So...Sony won the console war.

Sony has been losing to Nintendo for the last few years. So Sony isn’t winning either.

Disagree. Why is the Switch a hybrid? Because the WiiU failed.

There is truth to this, Nintendo used to support two consoles (one mobile and one regular console) at the same time. Now they only have one. Sony had the same problem, they supported the PSP and the PS3 but in the next generation they had to abandon the vita and focus only on the PS4 or risk falling behind on exclusive releases.

Both had to consolidate their markets after a major failure.

 

[Abu Antar]

Microsoft wants their ecosystem to be everywhere. Imo, they are going all in on game pass, and having that service everywhere. The way things went with XBSX might not be ideal, but I don't think it's something they will lose sleep over.

 

[The Decline]

Honestly I think the Steam Deck and its competitors might have a measureable impact on the Switch 2. It's pretty popular in Japan from what I read.

 

[DemonKing]

How he hasn't been sacked yet I'll never know.

He and Kathleen Kennedy have some serious dirt on the top execs of their companies?

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

So...Sony won the console war.

Sony has been losing to Nintendo for the last few years. So Sony isn’t winning either.

Disagree. Why is the Switch a hybrid? Because the WiiU failed.

The Switch was inevitable. With or without how the Wii U preformed, and the Wii U likely had nothing to do with it given when the rumors of Nintendo merging their home and handheld divisions came out. The Switch was something you could guess was happening two months after the Wii U came out. Given the timing, they were probably thinking of doing what would become the Switch during the lifespan of the Wii.

The Switch likely happened because mobile phone gaming was starting to outperformed everything during the 360 era, the Japanese market was moving towards mobile, Nintendo’s handhelds routinely outperformed their home consoles, and Nintendo’s best selling system was (and still is) the DS. Things probably just aligned where they could make a handheld that was more powerful than their WiiU while still being able to turn a profit on the system’s sale... unlike Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo doesn’t take a loss on systems so they can have something more powerful out.

 

[Venser]

Kinda weird Nintendo is doing Switch 2 instead of something completely new and innovative. If it ain't broke I guess...
Still I hope they can add something special to the new Switch.

 

[KeAShizuku]

So...Sony won the console war.

Sony has been losing to Nintendo for the last few years. So Sony isn’t winning either.

Disagree. Why is the Switch a hybrid? Because the WiiU failed.

There is truth to this, Nintendo used to support two consoles (one mobile and one regular console) at the same time. Now they only have one. Sony had the same problem, they supported the PSP and the PS3 but in the next generation they had to abandon the vita and focus only on the PS4 or risk falling behind on exclusive releases.

Both had to consolidate their markets after a major failure.

Nintendo found its own niche. But IMO they will never again make a powerful home console to compete with PlayStation.

 

[Drakortha]

Still I hope they can add something special to the new Switch.

They can start with 1080p to the TV when docked. The original switch at 900p or whatever when docked looked like shit.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

So...Sony won the console war.

Sony has been losing to Nintendo for the last few years. So Sony isn’t winning either.

Disagree. Why is the Switch a hybrid? Because the WiiU failed.

There is truth to this, Nintendo used to support two consoles (one mobile and one regular console) at the same time. Now they only have one. Sony had the same problem, they supported the PSP and the PS3 but in the next generation they had to abandon the vita and focus only on the PS4 or risk falling behind on exclusive releases.

Both had to consolidate their markets after a major failure.

Nintendo found its own niche. But IMO they will never again make a powerful home console to compete with PlayStation.

They’re already beating PlayStation. When you look at a list of best selling games, the Switch is the only modern system with exclusives in the top 20. It was a market ripe for the picking but third parties never took advantage of it. If studios could have released nice looking lower budget exclusive on the system and probably sell within the same range as their multi platform titles. Like if some exclusive Cyberpunk 20XX or GTA spinoff had some out on the Switch, they could’ve made it for a whole hell of a fucking lot less than the main versions, and probably outsell the 25 million that Cyberpunk 2077 and GTA4 did. If you don’t make the Switch thing feel like some concession, it’s not crazy to think it could hit those big Switch numbers if the game is some treated as a major thing. But I don’t see third parties passing on the Switch 2 like they did the Switch.

 

[Tehdagah]

Microsoft going the Nintendo path.

 

[Caim]

Nintendo found its own niche. But IMO they will never again make a powerful home console to compete with PlayStation.

Because why enter the rat race when you can sell hardware that's below the curve and the consoomers lap it up like the dogs they are?

 

[Ezekiel]

Would it be possible to ever get quick resume on PC games like on PlayStation and Xbox? Is it up to Microsoft?

 

[Zarniwoop]

Would it be possible to ever get quick resume on PC games like on PlayStation and Xbox? Is it up to Microsoft?

The PS5 doesn't have quick resume.

It's been possible on PC's for decades, or it was. It's called Hibernate, but Since Windows 10 it seems to have been removed.