Wasteland The Wasteland 2 Beta Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Xeon]

IIRC, NWN2 had a biography or something and I saw some people sharing their characters with their background story. It was kinda fun for a little bit but not really that useful.

But then again maybe allowing character transfer, people can download party members if there are no official companions in W2 could be fun for some people to role play or something.

 

[Lhynn]

In nwn1 multiplayer people could see your description, you could also keep a journal.

The first one was useful to RP, the second one was even more useful to keep notes or reminders. Its a feature that takes nothing away and enriches the game for some, so why not.

 

[Infinitron]

http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6377

Everyone,

With the new inventory in and working we've been tackling the barter screen next. The current public build has the old barter screen in as the new one is a ways out from being ready to go live. So as we work on it we wanted to ask for you guys to let us known what's absolutely essential in a barter screen?

What kind of functionality can't you do without? How do you picture item comparisons working? What kind of flexibility do you want from managing multiple inventories?

Just go wild in this thread, let us known anything that bugs you in how other barter screens have done it, or ideas you have for how you'd like us to work. This is the best stage for us to implemented some good ideas so let 'er rip!

 

[Lhynn]

I still dont like how cheap the inventory looks/feels, not really a big deal but if we are going to be using it constantly it should get a bit more love.

 

[Daedalos]

Brother None, you should tweak the skill points allocated, try reducing it by 2 or 4 at char creation screen..

and give intelligence a lesser bonus each level to skill points.

Currently, you can have a party that is good at EVERYTHING in the entire skill setup.. which is.. kind of boring. Especially with hired help from Angela and alot of other npc's...

 

[Grotesque]

We've seen the prison area and a rough map of it from the video made last year, someone make a new map to compare.

Yes, a side by side comparison would be welcomed because that is in my opinion the quintessential corridor&pockets map design.
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Spoiler

Here is a type of an open map design I hoped to see in a Wasteland sequel. No rock walls whatsoever and the illusion of openness is perfect.

 

[FeelTheRads]

I vow to make a tranny and name it FeelTheRads, then copy a selection of your most inane posts

Homophobe detected.

Not true, LPers could write something there, especially if the party is composed of forum users who you make jabs at.
You could also make notes there, I guess, if the field is editable during the game.

OK, well, I'm thinking of people playing the game normally. Seems like a waste of space, when it could be hidden like in the IE games for example. Then again, the whole 4 screens for the character info is a mess, so...

 

[Lhynn]

Homophobe detected.

Not really, im just a newfag trying to fit as many codex memes as possible in my posts to show i belong. Brofist if you agree.

Qwinn~

 

[sea]

I still dont like how cheap the inventory looks/feels, not really a big deal but if we are going to be using it constantly it should get a bit more love.

I can already notice several things I'd suggest get adjusted and I'm sure players will give us tons more useful feedback (like felipepepe).

 

[FeelTheRads]

Here is a type of an open map design I hoped to see in a Wasteland sequel. No rock walls whatsoever and the illusion of openness is perfect.

I wonder how much of the corridor-like design of those W2 levels is because they want to guide you trough content in a certain order.
Well, they keep promising they're not all like that, but I guess we'll see.

 

[Grotesque]

I vow to make a tranny and name it FeelTheRads, then copy a selection of your most inane posts and chuckle every time i read it as i play the game. you are invited to do the same, but i doubt my entire post history will fit. Then we will both feel good, because i proved you wrong and because you got to use that feature.

pity look:

Spoiler

 

[Infinitron]

Finally played the new version.

None of you noticed that one of the Ranger recruits in the Citadel at the beginning is Fargo's wife? "Ashley Brygo", haha. I wonder if she's related to him ingame too.

 

[agris]

Spoiler

Here is a type of an open map design I hoped to see in a Wasteland sequel. No rock walls whatsoever and the illusion of openness is perfect.

This.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

Spoiler

We've seen the prison area and a rough map of it from the video made last year, someone make a new map to compare.

Spoiler

Yes, a side by side comparison would be welcomed because that is in my opinion the quintessential corridor&pockets map design.
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Spoiler

Here is a type of an open map design I hoped to see in a Wasteland sequel. No rock walls whatsoever and the illusion of openness is perfect.

Looks like Dark Souls level design right there, maybe Fargo should include that fact in his promotional efforts.

 

[Grotesque]

Looks like Dark Souls level design right there, maybe Fargo should include that fact in his promotional efforts.

this video begs to differ.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

Looks like Dark Souls level design right there, maybe Fargo should include that fact in his promotional efforts.

this video begs to differ.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Are you going to somehow glue all the maps together when talking about Wizardry level design as well, bro?

 

[hiver]

Brother None, you should tweak the skill points allocated, try reducing it by 2 or 4 at char creation screen..
and give intelligence a lesser bonus each level to skill points.
Currently, you can have a party that is good at EVERYTHING in the entire skill setup.. which is.. kind of boring. Especially with hired help from Angela and alot of other npc's...

Oh, someone finally started playing the game and paying attention, eh?

 

[sea]

Brother None, you should tweak the skill points allocated, try reducing it by 2 or 4 at char creation screen..
and give intelligence a lesser bonus each level to skill points.
Currently, you can have a party that is good at EVERYTHING in the entire skill setup.. which is.. kind of boring. Especially with hired help from Angela and alot of other npc's...

Oh, someone finally started playing the game and paying attention, eh?

Funny because a lot of people are saying the exact opposite - not enough points are given. Seems like different people have different beliefs on what works.

In the final build I believe it's intended for attributes to cap skills in some way. Also, boosting an attribute all the way up to 10 effectively reduces the character's abilities to below-average in all other respects, so it's not necessarily the best idea from a character-building standpoint.

 

[Zombra]

Brother None, you should tweak the skill points allocated, try reducing it by 2 or 4 at char creation screen..
and give intelligence a lesser bonus each level to skill points.
Currently, you can have a party that is good at EVERYTHING in the entire skill setup.. which is.. kind of boring. Especially with hired help from Angela and alot of other npc's...

Oh, someone finally started playing the game and paying attention, eh?

Funny because a lot of people are saying the exact opposite - not enough points are given. Remember that attributes will cap maximum skill levels. Boosting an attribute all the way up to 10 effectively reduces the character's abilities to below-average in all other respects.

Huh. I haven't been on the official board much lately, but most of what I've seen has been in favor of keeping stat points scarce. The only problem came up when they assigned those stupid adjectives saying that 5 is 'average' and so on. A value of 10 should not be the baseline for 'decent'.

 

[undecaf]

Remember that attributes will cap maximum skill levels. Boosting an attribute all the way up to 10 effectively reduces the character's abilities to below-average in all other respects.

It was known, but I wonder, doesn't this increase the pace of "capping out" a character quite drastically seeing how low the attributes start at and given the pace of leveling up and the 1-10 range of the skills (plus the consideration of additional learn by doing system)? Or am I overthinking it here?

 

[hiver]

Brother None, you should tweak the skill points allocated, try reducing it by 2 or 4 at char creation screen..
and give intelligence a lesser bonus each level to skill points.
Currently, you can have a party that is good at EVERYTHING in the entire skill setup.. which is.. kind of boring. Especially with hired help from Angela and alot of other npc's...

Oh, someone finally started playing the game and paying attention, eh?

Funny because a lot of people are saying the exact opposite - not enough points are given. Remember that attributes will cap maximum skill levels. Boosting an attribute all the way up to 10 effectively reduces the character's abilities to below-average in all other respects.

Funny! Hillarious! muahahahaha... The "People!" - give me MOAR! CONSUME! consume!...


... romances?
fuck... ok... no way out...

Attributes caps on maximum skill levels are the only thing, the only mechanic in the game that prevents one character to have several maxed out skills.
BUT - this is not per singular skill, but by skill groups. Two of them. Combat skills vs Diplomacy vs... what... some flavor skills like animal whisperer?
I only need one character with high Int and one with high Charisma... if that even makes any sense in the game at all...
And... the player has SEVEN team members. In a game that is combat focused.

AND - its not like you really have to have any attribute at max 10 anyway. Whatcha gona miss with attributes at 8 or 9? A few items and few dialogue options at best? (imagine how much crying there would be from your target audience if that was more, eh?)

 

[hiver]

My point of reference is this game. Nothing else.
I dont need to compare it to any other game in some sort of desperate last ditch to make it seem better because some other game is maybe worse.

I look at this. And i see it as it is.
What other games are doing is their own business. Judged based on its/their own merits. (all this is one of the bigger reasons i dont like party based RPG but prefer solo RPGs, that have independent Ai controlled companions at the most)


The skills of Wasteland 2 alone will not bring any reactivity - as advertized. Fact.
The design of skills, the retarded splits didnt achieve anything positive, but several negative things - still ongoing - and most of it had to be melded back - as i was saying from the start - which means if anyone listened to me huge amounts of time and resources would have been saved, but instead i had imbeciles like Zombra and other stupid cretins screaming at me like retarded emotionally engaged stupid monkeys they ARE - so now you (we) all get to slurp the consequences of that - fact.
The only thing that could actually create any reactivity and C&C (of any form) is mutually exclusive content. Fact.

Which means that the game will live or die based on how much of it you (the team) manages to create in next few months.

Im hoping you guys will manage something but realistically... i dont know... ill have to play this new beta before i can claim something about it with more certainty.

In case you all fail, im hoping me and few other bros will pick up the flag and mode the hell out of it and actually create something great - which would not be possible without the InXile effort at all.
But thats far in the future still.

felipepepe
talk to me bro... has anything been done to AG center to make it better?


Im still waiting on the High seas but there is no land in sight.... and isnt that just depressing...

 

[Daedalos]

Lower the amount of skill points given..

Or increase the skill level needed to perform skill checks on stuff...

Make it fucking hard to do stuff with your skills unless you really specialize in that... so it makes your party unique... instead of just trying to be perfect at everything, jack-of-all-trades shit

 

[Lhynn]

Make it fucking hard to do stuff

Just wondering. How does it contribute to difficulty in any way? I mean insta-failing optional stuff doesnt make it harder in my experience. you should talk more about rewarding especialization. Dont make whats there impossible to access, put in new, more valuable stuff behind higher walls.
Just saying.

 

[felipepepe]

The solution is quite simple, there should be perks or large bonuses for high skills. IIRC, there is already something like "At 5 skills points you reload for 1 AP less", but that's still too little, not to mention hidden from the player. I should be something clear, that you would take into consideration while creating your character, and that would make every skill point you spent relevant, instead of just going from 75 to 80% hit chance. Pure % upgrades are as boring as can get.

Personally, I would make the skills points only range from 1 to 5, with 2/3/4/5 points cost for upgrading, respectivly. And each upgrade you give you meaningful things besides the THC increase, like for Sniper Rifles: +10% THC when crouching/-1 AP for reloading/+5 damage on aimed shots/-1 AP for shooting or stuff like that.

felipepepe
talk to me bro... has anything been done to AG center to make it better?

Didn't do it yet, I'm trying the new option to let both Ag. Center and Highpool fail this time.