Wasteland The Wasteland 2 Beta Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[felipepepe]

That was actually a reference to D:OS: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ut-the-alpha-here.72670/page-188#post-3007561

Well, if it works...

That's why the Sawyer quote is bullshit. I'm not asking for a specific system, I'm just asking for one that works and is fun, which W2 currently isn't.

Look, I too wish that WL2 had a full year or more of preproduction and design like Torment is getting. I too wish they'd hired on people like Brother None and sea earlier, and thought about their game mechanics and quest design a bit more deeply.

But the fact is that back in March 2012, the "resurrection of oldschool RPGs" was by no means an assured thing. The RPG Kickstarter fad could have died down, just like it did for adventure games after the one big success of Double Fine. Fargo made the right choice by not letting the game get too ambitious and getting production online ASAP. And his quick release of that gameplay video back in February 2013 was part of what made the Torment Kickstarter such a huge success. (In contrast, Obsidian have had a much longer time by now and they still haven't put together a decent video for Eternity.)

As I said then, W2 merits stand on "historical context", not on the game itself. And even then, it is quite debatable... M&M:X, Blackguards, D:OS and other big games of the "revival" were in development way before the kickstarter frenzy.

...but I don't think the game is bad. I just think it could be better. It helps that I don't think of the Fallout series as the end-all, be-all of RPGs. I look at Wasteland 2 and see a game that's like Fallout, but has better combat, a better UI, full party creation and, if Brother None is to be believed, more C&C. Those things just aren't "bad", no matter how you look at it.

Again, a nice feature list that doesn't deliver, because the content itself is mediocre and boring. NWN2's OC had all the same features that Mask of the Betrayer had, but was still bad.

 

[Kem0sabe]

I think the disappointment is all down to how much Molyneux inxile was projecting ramping up to the beta release. Bestests reactive rpg ever and a bunch of other crap.

Developers should learn to shut the fuck up and not promise anything they cant deliver, especially KS project developers.

 

[DragoFireheart]

Even Dragon Age: Origins, a mediocre fantasy game full of romances, has more soul and creativity into it.

Did I just walk into some bizzaro world where huehue's like Bioware games and hate jRPGs?

 

[Infinitron]

As I said then, W2 merits stand on "historical context", not on the game itself. And even then, it is quite debatable... M&M:X, Blackguards, D:OS and other big games of the "revival" were in development way before the kickstarter frenzy.

No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to justify Wasteland 2's quality in a "historical context", as in "it's good for its time!". I'm just explaining why it's like it is.

(Judging by the massive amounts of butthurt MMX inspired among Might & Magic fans I'm not sure that's the best example though. We've talked about this before.)

NWN2's OC had all the same features that Mask of the Betrayer had, but was still bad.

That's an interesting comparison. Probably the most perceptive thing you've said here.

Wasteland 2 == NWN2 OC? Has all the features, but is still just plain "derpy"? I guess we'll see what the Kodex Konsensus is when the game is released.

 

[Daedalos]

Seems a bit too early to form such a strong opinion on how the game will turn out. This beta is more of an alpha and I expect significant changes as they fine tune the game.

When the beta was released, it had 30% of the game. Now with the new areas, it should be ~40%. That's a lot of the game, more than enough to understand the design behind it. I don't bite the "40% of the game is linear and bland, but precisely the reamining that we didn't show you is amazing!" excuse. And even if true, that still means that 40% of your game is boring.

And it has been already 3 months since they alpha/beta started, and they now have 3 more months to add in all the remaining features & levels. Seeing how they still don't know what to do with Charisma, are still missing various skills, haven't decided on aimed shots and many other stuff, I doubt they will have time to rework the released levels until they are great.
mber: 12284"]Seems a bit too early to form such a strong opinion on how the game will turn out. This beta is more of an alpha and I expect significant changes as they fine tune the game.

Actually the team stated it was probably closer to 20-25 % of content at the start of the beta... it's probably 30 % now with prison... not really 40 %.. The entire L.A chapter and therest of arizona will be more than 60 % fo sho!

3 months to put all the content in, additional 3 months to polish and finetune skills, attributes and level design, graphics etc.... so 6 months total... it can be enough to turn it around

 

[Daedalos]

Am I also the only one who thinks Divinity: Original Sin looks like shit? ;-/

 

[clemens]

Am I also the only one who thinks Divinity: Original Sin looks like shit? ;-/

 

[Daedalos]

Am I also the only one who thinks Divinity: Original Sin looks like shit? ;-/

Not trollin' bro. Honestly. I cannot see what all the fuss about divinity is about. It really looks "meh" imo. Like really.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

Nobody cares what your opinion of the game is if you haven't even played it.

 

[Daedalos]

Nobody cares what your opinion of the game is if you haven't even played it.

I've seen alot of gameplay videoes of it, people playing it. Same thing, it's just not me playing it. That's enough for me. Not interested.

 

[Brother None]

Am I also the only one who thinks Divinity: Original Sin looks like shit? ;-/

I'd hope so. The game looks great. I haven't had time to play a ton but what I've played has been really good.

 

[felipepepe]

Not interested.

That's fair.

Divinity: Original Sin looks like shit

That's retarded.

 

[Grotesque]

Nobody cares what your opinion of the game is if you haven't even played it.

I've seen alot of gameplay videoes of it, people playing it. Same thing, it's just not me playing it. That's enough for me. Not interested.

Even if you have tens of hours of viewing, it does not compare with playing it

 

[Onholyservicebound]

I've seen alot of gameplay videoes of it, people playing it. Same thing, it's just not me playing it. That's enough for me. Not interested.

Do you know what a video game is?

 

[Akratus]

You hear that guys? Discussing games you haven't played is no longer allowed! All pre-release discussion is to cease immediately.

 

[Lhynn]

You hear that guys? Discussing games you haven't played is no longer allowed! All pre-release discussion is to cease immediately.

Not allowed if you can actually play it but havent done so. Yes, it does seem like a good rule.

Anyway felipepepe that vision document... wow, now thats a game id like to be playing, wasnt even aware they were aiming that high, now i am kinda mad for the wasted potential of it all.

 

[tuluse]

I think Wasteland 2 can still become a good game in the time InXile has left. However, they need to figure out what their focus is going to be and polish that part up the most. I think they should try to make the combat really fun and interesting since they can just copy what better games have done. If they made a game with combat 80% as good as JA2, plus roleplaying 60% as good as Fallout, they'd have a game I'd call good with no reservations.

I don't think they can polish up and make all aspects good in the time they have left.

 

[Lhynn]

I think Wasteland 2 can still become a good game in the time InXile has left. However, they need to figure out what their focus is going to be and polish that part up the most. I think they should try to make the combat really fun and interesting since they can just copy what better games have done. If they made a game with combat 80% as good as JA2, plus roleplaying 60% as good as Fallout, they'd have a game I'd call good with no reservations.

I don't think they can polish up and make all aspects good in the time they have left.

I kinda disagree, combat alone wont be enough to make it great, i think encounter design should be a priority, more specifically enemies should be more diverse (silly) and have all kind of abilities. If i wanted to play JA2 or FT id play those games, i want to play wasteland because of the setting. Dont know, feels like the problem is mostly the lack of an actual interesting tone, it would do wonders to get players to ignore the shortcomings of the game.

 

[cvv]

I never judge the game by the early access shit. Gave in with D:OS and never again, seeing a game in this half-finished embryotic stage just taints your impressions so much. I mean, I love steak but have you ever seen a cow being slaughtered and processed? Bleh...it would be months before you could eat steak again. Same thing.

It may very well be felipepe is right, that the inXile guys are just burnt out old geezers for whom making games is not an act of love and passion anymore but just a job to feed the family and dat mortgage provider but I'm gonna reserve my judgement till the fall.

 

[Daedalos]

I've seen alot of gameplay videoes of it, people playing it. Same thing, it's just not me playing it. That's enough for me. Not interested.

Do you know what a video game is?

I don't care. My ears and eyes don't lie bro. I can judge a game perfectly from seeing and hearing it play out through a video in hd quality, just as well as actually sitting in front of my fucking screen controlling the mouse myself and keyboard myself.

Funnily enough, people here have no problem dissing WL2, eventho some people never played it.. but just saw "videoes"

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

I don't care. My ears and eyes don't lie bro. I can judge a game perfectly from seeing and hearing it play out through a video in hd quality, just as well as actually sitting in front of my fucking screen controlling the mouse myself and keyboard myself.

Linear Corridor Movies are what you think an games is capable of. You clearly can't expect anything better than the stuff in wasteland 2.

Funnily enough, people here have no problem dissing WL2, even though some people never played it.. but just saw "videoes"

Funnily enough when those who saw the "videoes" asked the players, hey after this situation what happens if you do this instead of this.

WL2 is: there si not much here... but its just beta, maybe late alpha,it will get better later right?

while those who played divinity always say how there is tons of cool stuff to interact with and new ways to solve quests.

its the variety and quality of descriptions, that make a game different from a movie.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

You hear that guys? Discussing games you haven't played is no longer allowed! All pre-release discussion is to cease immediately.

Don't try so hard, you might hurt yourself.
You can have all the discussion you want, but your opinions on the quality of a game(A game being a thing that you play) is pretty much worthless when you haven't played it. By all means go on having opinions on things you haven't experienced, just don't expect anyone that isn't retarded to value them.

I don't care. My ears and eyes don't lie bro. I can judge a game perfectly from seeing and hearing it play out through a video in hd quality, just as well as actually sitting in front of my fucking screen controlling the mouse myself and keyboard myself.

Movies are watched
Music is listened to
Games are played

Unless you're a pure storyfag or graphics whore you haven't experienced shit.

Funnily enough, people here have no problem dissing WL2, eventho some people never played it.. but just saw "videoes"

Yeah? And what do you think of those people? I generally think they're absolutely worthless, and disregard anything they say.
Question: Would you ever subscribe to a YouTube reviewer who reviewed games that they haven't played? What if they said it was okay because they watched reviews of other people playing it?
Anyway, like Felipepepe said, if you're not interested, that's fine. But save your judgement for whether or not the game is shit until after you've played it.

 

[Daedalos]

You hear that guys? Discussing games you haven't played is no longer allowed! All pre-release discussion is to cease immediately.

Don't try so hard, you might hurt yourself.
You can have all the discussion you want, but your opinions on the quality of a game(A game being a thing that you play) is pretty much worthless when you haven't played it. By all means go on having opinions on things you haven't experienced, just don't expect anyone that isn't retarded to value them.

I don't care. My ears and eyes don't lie bro. I can judge a game perfectly from seeing and hearing it play out through a video in hd quality, just as well as actually sitting in front of my fucking screen controlling the mouse myself and keyboard myself.

Movies are watched
Music is listened to
Games are played

Unless you're a pure storyfag or graphics whore you haven't experienced shit.

Funnily enough, people here have no problem dissing WL2, eventho some people never played it.. but just saw "videoes"

Yeah? And what do you think of those people? I generally think they're absolutely worthless, and disregard anything they say.
Question: Would you ever subscribe to a YouTube reviewer who reviewed games that they haven't played? What if they said it was okay because they watched reviews of other people playing it?
Anyway, like Felipepepe said, if you're not interested, that's fine. But save your judgement for whether or not the game is shit until after you've played it.

Games involve audio and video. So do movies... (And what about music videoes? ;D) Both are listened to and watched. Both of which are perfectly capable through a good hd youtube video with a guy playing as "you".. easy to make judgement on a product. Don't act like it's not please.

If the youtube reviewer brings forth all the important points about graphics, audio, story etc WHILE playing, also ensuring that the viewer gets it all in.. in a "let's play" video say... it's perfectly viable as an alternative to playing the game yourself..

Especially if it's a really good youtube review.. from a trusted source.. then yes. I don't need to play the game myself, in order to make up my mind whether or not it's good or not... I've got people doing that for me, people I trust.

That and my senses.. which I DO trust.. highly.

 

[undecaf]

I think Wasteland 2 can still become a good game in the time InXile has left. However, they need to figure out what their focus is going to be and polish that part up the most. I think they should try to make the combat really fun and interesting since they can just copy what better games have done. If they made a game with combat 80% as good as JA2, plus roleplaying 60% as good as Fallout, they'd have a game I'd call good with no reservations.

I don't think they can polish up and make all aspects good in the time they have left.

I would've originally been fine with even simpler way of combat as long as all the elements of the game played well together. I think they should put a bit more of their focus on polishing up the elements around combat rather than within it; C&C iteration and additions, dialog, world interaction, level design, etc. I can stomach, and willingly do if it comes down to it (which, of course isn't preferred, but what can you do), some flaws on individual elements as long as the whole of it delivers adequate enjoyment and intrigue.

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

Games involve audio and video. So do movies... (And what about music videoes? ;D) Both are listened to and watched. Both of which are perfectly capable through a good hd youtube video with a guy playing as "you".. easy to make judgement on a product. Don't act like it's not please.

Are you seriously this retarded? Put more effort in your trolls.