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Jasede

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So... i'm from the Thiaf forums. Hello!

Good to see that there is a forum out there that isnt plagued by bad PR like the other forum. Yay i can criticize the game without being afraid of getting b& !
Welcome to the Codex. Stick to the map and keep your lantern filled. Do not veer off the marked path. This place is a bit like The Path.
 

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So... i'm from the Thiaf forums. Hello!

Good to see that there is a forum out there that isnt plagued by bad PR like the other forum. Yay i can criticize the game without being afraid of getting b& !
Pro tip: If you see a post from a guy called DarkUnderlord, try to troll him really hard.
 
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Seeing the mass exploitation of workers, more like.
OH NOES.

DEM CAPITALISTS.

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QUICK, GARRETT, YOU NEED TO RESTORE THE BALUNCE.

MAN THE MACHINES, WE WILL SMITE THEE, VILE BARON.

Next time, Garrett will fight those evil chinese corporations. Let's name them "Dynasty", 'cause, you know, we need to be subtle.

Oh, fuck this, who am I kidding, Garrett won't fight anybody, this game will drown in Eidos' tears and old fans' shit.
 

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So... i'm from the Thiaf forums. Hello!

Good to see that there is a forum out there that isnt plagued by bad PR like the other forum. Yay i can criticize the game without being afraid of getting b& !
Welcome to the Codex. Stick to the map and keep your lantern filled. Do not veer off the marked path. This place is a bit like The Path.

I'd say it's more like Zork, except here at the Codex not even the lantern is going to save you from being eaten by a Grue. :)
 

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So... i'm from the Thiaf forums. Hello!

Good to see that there is a forum out there that isnt plagued by bad PR like the other forum. Yay i can criticize the game without being afraid of getting b& !

That it is. Its nice to find somewhere that is free of apologist Moderators who will issue infractions and bans all because you talked trash about there new favorite game. And here is some fresh EM forum stupidity for the Codex.

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpost.php?p=1943475&postcount=399

LOL! Everybody needs to calm down and relax.

This is such a non-issue. You can absolutely jump and move through the world fluidly and freely. The game has been designed specifically to achieve this goal. You're looking at this like you're losing a feature, but the reality is that you're gaining dozens more.

Anybody claiming the game will somehow be ruined because you can't free jump, when there is no reason to be jumping, would have to agree that Gran Tourismo is ruined because you can't choose to pop the trunk - right? No, of course not.

Saying that immersion is broken because of the absence of a feature allowing you to physically break out of character is akin to dividing by zero. Garrett would never randomly hop, skip and jump through the world. He just wouldn't. Honestly, if you need to spam the jump button continually for no reason to truly feel immersed a game, or need to be able to randomly pop yourself into the air like a grasshopper with the hiccups - then hell, maybe Thief isn't for you. But, check out Team Fortress 2 - it's free to play and you'll probably love it!

As someone who has played the game more than anybody else outside of the dev team, I can assure you that free jumping would ruin immersion. Pogo hopping through the world like a shop manequin on a spring would seem incredibly out of place, dated and overly simplistic within the context of the rest of the rich and tactile mechanics that have been created soley to make you feel like a Master Thief slipping through the world.

Like I said yesterday, this is not tomb raider, this is not The Last of Us, this is not an early 2000's game with cheesy pre-programmed hot spots. Forget what you know about the word "contextual" - it's been turned into a dirty word of late, but don't make the mistake of judging Thief on how "contextual" actions have been handled in other, completely unrelated games.

Consider that this only has become an 'issue' on the forums here after someone quoted a snippet of a text interview. It was never brought up when you guys first saw the E3 gameplay footage. Nor was it ever brought up as an issue by any of the journalists who played the game - including the few more 'critical' reports. MT didn't even scream bloody murder or beg the team to change the feature after he played the game. Why? For 1 very simple reason: It's just not an issue. Nobody felt restricted. Nobody felt they were missing anything. Chances are when you're finally playing the game, neither will you!

You can't free jump just for no reason - but you can jump whenever and wherever you need to jump. It's fluid. It's slick. You tap the jump button in the EXACT same way, with the exact same timing as if you had a free jump. In fact, if you weren't told that you couldn't free jump, and only tried to jump when you needed to jump to, you would have NO idea that you couldn't bunny hop around like convulsing jack-in-the-box. It's only when you tap the jump button while standing in the middle of a room with nothing to jump on that you DON'T jump.

So, I hear you asking, what happens when you DO press the jump button, but there is nothing to jump on?

You SWOOP!

It's AWESOME - just like a very small dash. In fact, if Garrett didn't hunker down to avoid being seen, you would say that it feels like a jump, in a way (be clear: It is NOT a jump). The swoop is used to empower stealth gameplay, and can be used in any direction - forwards, backwards, side to side. You can even rotate/change direction while you're swooping. It cannot be spammed for a continual speed boost. It offers total freedom and mobility, completely aligned with the movement and grace of a master thief who makes his living by sneaking from shadow to shadow. Those hoping for Garrett the Master River Dancer will be disappointed, everyone else has nothing to worry about.

Coincidently, we actually touch on the swoop in a Thief podcast that will be coming out on the last Friday of this month (also news: We'll be releasing Thief podcasts on the last Friday of every month starting this month!)
 

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That's not really fresh. We bashed it last week already.

But while it's back in play, I watched the gameplay video again and saw this swoop in action. It looks absolutely ridiculous.
 

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So... i'm from the Thiaf forums. Hello!

Good to see that there is a forum out there that isnt plagued by bad PR like the other forum. Yay i can criticize the game without being afraid of getting b& !

That it is. Its nice to find somewhere that is free of apologist Moderators who will issue infractions and bans all because you talked trash about there new favorite game. And here is some fresh EM forum stupidity for the Codex.

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpost.php?p=1943475&postcount=399

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpost.php?p=1943475&postcount=399
Retarded brain diarrhea.
Man, you are late to the party. I share the rage against apologists, seriously man, there was something wrong going on with the guy you quote. Freedom is slavery, choice is tyranny, typical Orwellian stuff, it even appear that he got out of an al qaeda training camp or an american public school.
 

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Man, you are late to the party. I share the rage against apologists, seriously man, there was something wrong going on with the guy you quote. Freedom is slavery, choice is tyranny, typical Orwellian stuff, it even appear that he got out of an al qaeda training camp or an american public school.

Then I apologize to the codex for my lateness. I didn't see when this crap when it was first posted since I gave up on the Thief forums the second they got beyond Moderator shill and started talking game play basics. And when people not only apologized for the :decline: but actually supported it.
 

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So... i'm from the Thiaf forums. Hello!

Good to see that there is a forum out there that isnt plagued by bad PR like the other forum. Yay i can criticize the game without being afraid of getting b& !

Alex, your name looks familiar. Are you a bro from the DX:HR wars?

Yes i am. You're familiar too... Hmm, did you use to have a cyber-looking ninja as avatar? Maybe Raiden from MGS? Or am i mixing people up? Still nice to see a familiar face :)

To everyone else, thank you for the brofists and the warm welcome. Just dont tell me HERESY is here
 

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So... i'm from the Thiaf forums. Hello!

Good to see that there is a forum out there that isnt plagued by bad PR like the other forum. Yay i can criticize the game without being afraid of getting b& !

Alex, your name looks familiar. Are you a bro from the DX:HR wars?

Yes i am. You're familiar too... Hmm, did you use to have a cyber-looking ninja as avatar? Maybe Raiden from MGS? Or am i mixing people up? Still nice to see a familiar face :)

To everyone else, thank you for the brofists and the warm welcome. Just dont tell me HERESY is here

yes, I cut up Yoji Shinkawa's Grey Fox painting. I pissed off that mod, MyImmortal (goes by Veronica or something now), by saying she was toeing the company line with her wait-and-see bullshit. I stopped posting there when they started banning people like K^2 for calling them out. Man, he was such a bro.
 

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She goes by the nick of Viktoria on the Eidos boards, and she was known as thiefessa on TTLG. Mods got bored of her and banned her.

LOL and good for them! I had to walk away from the computer every time she would say one thing and then a page later act like she hadn't said it. She didn't even have the decency to edit her posts to reflect her flip-flopping.
 

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I admit watching some gameplay vids and actually liking it.


(my brother also saw it and asked if this "thief" thing is some Dishonored ripoff or something )
 

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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forum.php?

She goes by the nick of Viktoria on the Eidos boards, and she was known as thiefessa on TTLG. Mods got bored of her and banned her.

She also had more then 2 accounts on the Eidos forums as well. From what I gathered the Admins had no idea that Myimmortal and Viktoria where one and the same.

@Ninjerk I remember you as well from the DXHR forums. K^2 and RindillTheRed where just to damn clever for the mods over there and where able to make them look stupid every time they said anything. Great guys.
 

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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forum.php?

She goes by the nick of Viktoria on the Eidos boards, and she was known as thiefessa on TTLG. Mods got bored of her and banned her.

She also had more then 2 accounts on the Eidos forums as well. From what I gathered the Admins had no idea that Myimmortal and Viktoria where one and the same.

@Ninjerk I remember you as well from the DXHR forums. K^2 and RindillTheRed where just to damn clever for the mods over there and where able to make them look stupid every time they said anything. Great guys.

Ah, right... about Rindill... Check this post of mine. I'm not sure if its correct, but according to my investigation unfortunately Rindil passed away. Not sure if you guys heard about it.
 

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Ah, right... about Rindill... Check this post of mine. I'm not sure if its correct, but according to my investigation unfortunately Rindil passed away. Not sure if you guys heard about it.

Rindil is dead ?. A damn shame, He was a great poster and I wondered why I hadn't seen or heard anything of him since he was banned. Not that he should of ever been banned to begin with.
 

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I don't remember Rindill much. There were more people I liked than what I have on my friends list but they were the majors. pha, Pretentious Old Man, FrankCSIS, BigBoss, spyhopping, Irate Iguana, and Ashpolt. They need to be here.
 

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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forum.php?

She goes by the nick of Viktoria on the Eidos boards, and she was known as thiefessa on TTLG. Mods got bored of her and banned her.

She also had more then 2 accounts on the Eidos forums as well. From what I gathered the Admins had no idea that Myimmortal and Viktoria where one and the same.

@Ninjerk I remember you as well from the DXHR forums. K^2 and RindillTheRed where just to damn clever for the mods over there and where able to make them look stupid every time they said anything. Great guys.

Ah, right... about Rindill... Check this post of mine. I'm not sure if its correct, but according to my investigation unfortunately Rindil passed away. Not sure if you guys heard about it.

What, really?!! Oh man... That really sucks :(

I just dug up our PMs from Eidos and Bethesda forums, he was such a nice guy. He even played my first game I hacked together in C++ and wanted to work with me on his and my crazy game ideas :(
Now I really feel bad we haven't actually got to doing that :(
 

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I don't remember Rindill much. There were more people I liked than what I have on my friends list but they were the majors. pha, Pretentious Old Man, FrankCSIS, BigBoss, spyhopping, Irate Iguana, and Ashpolt. They need to be here.

pha, POM, BigBoss and IrateIguana are off my radar. They disappeared. *shrugs*

FrankCSIS is still around, posting almost every day. Spyhopping is dating Jerion and became a mod. Ashpolt, well, now that DX:HR released he's not that much of a regular. He was in E3 with the mods though during the DX: The Fall release. He even participated in a "I played Thief/DX The Fall - Ask me Anything" thread over there about the games. Eventhough i trust him and his sincere opinions, the whole thing felt like PR talk and he avoided talking about anything negative about the games.

Anyways, so huh? They removed jumping in Thiaf. B1skit's strawman of "You cant pop your trunk in Gran Turismo, so its okay not to jump in Thief" got me really pissed. Either they have no idea, or they are making this for more "streamlined gameplay" and using that strawman argument to distract us. (I believe the latter). Also, can i curse here? Where can i see the Terms of Use of this forum? I couldnt find it anywhere.
 

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@AlexOfSpades @Echo Mirage

I don't remember Rindill much. There were more people I liked than what I have on my friends list but they were the majors. pha, Pretentious Old Man, FrankCSIS, BigBoss, spyhopping, Irate Iguana, and Ashpolt. They need to be here.

Pretentious Old Man dropped off the radar about a year ago, while spyhopping seems to have become a Moderator and was one of the people along with Ashpolt to praise Thief after EM treated them nice at E3.

kind of surprised Pretentious Old Man isn't here. He was a great poster. @AlexOfSpades. Good that you are here. I remember your posts and can say you are a good guy.
 

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You guys are from TTLG, then? That used to be a cool place. I remember Terry Pratchett posting there a long, long, long, long time ago.
 

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You guys are from TTLG, then? That used to be a cool place. I remember Terry Pratchett posting there a long, long, long, long time ago.

I think they're from the Eidos forums. You can tell by how traumatized they are. Only official forums do that to a person. :M
 

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