Decline Thiaf Pre-Release Thread

[skacky]

Here's an interview with Stéphane Roy. What's interesting in it is that it features lockpicking.

 

[Gord]

Codex cannot into gradient enjoyment

Missing the point. If they didn't want to make a Thief game they shouldn't have fucking called it Thief. There's no good for what it is in this context. Either your game lives up to its namesake, or its a fucking failure. Wanna make mediocre shit? Call it something else.

Although I would go further and say that even if the game is actually good for what it is - LS is still right on this.
If you don't want Thief, don't call it Thief.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Here's an interview with Stéphane Roy. What's interesting in it is that it features lockpicking.

Before, there was only "light" and "shadow" with nothing in-between, there was this technical limitation

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[skacky]

According to Sneaky Bastards, there is now "light", "slightly visible" and "shadow". INNOVASHUN.

 

[Melan]

He really is keeping his pulse on the DNA of this classic media franchise!

 

[Jack]

Edit: Minimap, fuck exploration.

 

[Emily]

Even shows their sight range and facing. I am guessing there will be option to turn it off only for hard core gamers

 

[Borelli]

Minimaps in games are generally cool things but more and more lately i am only looking at it while ignoring the main map.

 

[Infinitron]

The minimap shows you how linear the game's map actually is.

 

[Keshik]

Wow, this is bad.

 

[mindx2]

The minimap shows you how linear the game's map actually is.

That was exactly my first thought! Let's all walk down the linear corridor with our mini-map alerting us to EVERYTHING before we actually get there... and that GT video...

... really, zombie arms and those

flashing over guards heads, etc. This whole thing screams FAIL!!! Why does this still make me rage?!

 

[Zewp]

Haha, this can only be a codexer.

Spoiler

Thief E3 stage demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0KS2Hm6_oM
Another demo with combat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tAZg2NR_qY

Here are some of my observations:



- One button contextual takedowns.
- No optional first/third person view.

- *Headshot* +40xp, followed by "I think we really respected the DNA of this franchise".

- Broken combat system that was directly ripped from Dishonored.
- Glowing red icons over enemies' heads like in Assassin's Creed.
- Enemy swords glow whenever they ready a strike.
- Blood is smeared all over your screen when you are injured.
- The AI in Thief is somehow dumber than the AI in Dishonored.

- I'm not entirely sure what this is, but it looks like Thief has adopted VATS from Fallout 3.

- Garrett uses "focus" to murder two guards at point-blank range, with a bow, in a matter of seconds. What challenge?
- That's right, focus mode, because everyone loves slow-mo.

- Garrett can apparently block a full-force strike from a two-foot iron sword with a seven-inch plastic blackjack.

- Garrett's mechanical eye can now turn people blue.

- Fog now covers up half of the screen while you are hidden, obstructing your view. A simple light gem would have sufficed.
- Garrett's hands now wave about the screen whenever you are crouched, and when performing simple activities like opening a door or turning a valve.

- Not sure what exactly happened here, but I think that Garrett just used the blink ability from Dishonored.

- Fire arrows no longer increase your visibility, just think about how much sense that makes.

BONUS IMAGES:

TAFFER

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141730&p=2192924#post2192924

 

[catfood]

RETARDO THIS THREAD ALREADY I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH11111111111111111111111111111111111

 

[Darth Slaughter]

DalekFlay likes a lot of shit games, so I'm not surprised at his opinion.

Thanks for the perfect example of Codex cannot understand gradient enjoyment. There is shit and amazing Thief 2 and nothing in-between.

There's thief 3, of course.

 

[sea]

Edit: Minimap, fuck exploration.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Guise, they didn't have the technology back then for minimaps, experience points and hotspot highlighting. Thief was always supposed to have those, but they were kept back by technical limitations.

 

[dnf]

This is one of those times where a game is not living up to its predecessors but can still be fun. Codex cannot into gradient enjoyment, something is either a return to the amazing Dark Project/Gold or a piece of shit. I'm not so disabled.

This looks like Dishonored 2 and I will have fun with it. I didn't expect much better, really.

Missing the point. If they didn't want to make a Thief game they shouldn't have fucking called it Thief. There's no good for what it is in this context. Either your game lives up to its namesake, or its a fucking failure. Wanna make mediocre shit? Call it something else.

They think as long as you adhere to the very core idea it's fine. I'm not sure I agree but whatever... not like Square was going to fund a game just like Thief Dark Project/Gold anyway. This does not exist in place of that because that would never have been made.

DalekFlay likes a lot of shit games, so I'm not surprised at his opinion.

Thanks for the perfect example of Codex cannot understand gradient enjoyment. There is shit and amazing Thief Dark Project/Gold and nothing in-between.

Fixors

 

[JarlFrank]

When you mentioned the word "mod" i just had a dream in which modders fix everything wrong with Thief 4.
And i mean everything, from bow to interface to Garrett's voice, eeeeeveeeryyythiiiing.

Your dream is true and it is called The Dark Mod.

 

[dnf]

From that thread at ttlg:

Clearly your unique and original observations deserved their own thread since none of these things are being discussed anywhere else in the forum.

of mods

 

[sea]

I've been watching the new 10-minute demo.

I will say: it looks better than the first video. Still seems very linear and more goal-based, like Dishonored, but with smaller levels and less complexity (where are the sewers and rooftops and shit?), but I do like Garret's increased mobility and it's nice to see that all the gadgets are back. The fact that you have to hold a button to pickpocket doesn't bother me because it arguably makes it harder that you have to get the timing right and expose yourself a little more.

The AI, however, seems pretty dumb and the closed-in level design, hopefully, is just a case of "first level syndrome" and the game will become much more expansive over time... but I'm not holding my breath for it. Takedowns and XP system are dumb, period, and seeing guards not alerted by stuff like fire arrows, Garret pickpocketing guys right next to them, that crate falling, etc... come on, that's just silly.

Provided you can disable all the aids and assists, I think this will be a decent and fun game, but it's definitely not classic Thief just because the level design, atmosphere etc., aren't there, the light gem looks stupid and might as well not bet here, the new actor for Garret is just plain weak and it's clear the spirit of the game is very different.

 

[SCO]

Meanwhile at the dark mod

 

[JarlFrank]

The look of the minimap implies linear and non-vertical level design.

 

[MetalCraze]

The Dark Mod = real Thief 4.

 

[Melan]

Meanwhile at the dark mod

Which reminds me: do your patriotic duty and make a mission!

It is relatively simple to make a small one even if you have no previous editing experience. Prefab elements plus some customisation can do a lot of the architectural work (example workflow thread), and there is an ongoing push to make this even simpler for beginners with customisable modular terrain.

A mission from one person is a mission for all! If we had a small, simple map every two or three weeks, that would be rad, and draw even more people to the project.

You can help! Yes, YOU!

 

[AstroZombie]

The minimap shows you how linear the game's map actually is.

And according to one dev that's a "big" mission.