Decline Thiaf Pre-Release Thread

[Lyric Suite]

Vader means "father" in Dutch.

Coincidence, nothing more. He did it again in the prequels. General Grievous? Fuck you, Lucas.

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

Time to expand on my joke from the previous page!

"They used me like a slutty woman... so now I dress like one while I steal their valuables."

"They sodomized me with leather dildos. So I will sodomize them back."

You and another guy gave me a new idea.

The City News

Breaking news! We found out who is the father of the Garr4tt aka Master Thief. We reached his father, also know as the honorable Baron to get the comment on our news.​

Baron: HAHA Imma gonna stick this carrot up my son's butt ololoolololol fuck I've created a monster. ​

 

[Unkillable Cat]

Vader means "father" in Dutch.

Coincidence, nothing more. He did it again in the prequels. General Grievous? Fuck you, Lucas.

Well, your examples of the Sith names are nothing but the same, coincidences. Otherwise Darth Maul and Darth Tyrannus would have gotten different names to fit in with the theme.

There isn't a name in the Star Wars universe that doesn't sound stupid in one way or another, and that's before you even get to how other languages treat them.

How this ties into Thief... Gamall means "old" in Icelandic.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Well, your examples of the Sith names are nothing but the same, coincidences. Otherwise Darth Maul and Darth Tyrannus would have gotten different names to fit in with the theme

Darth Maul (he "mauls" people, get it?) and Darth Tyrannus do in fact fit the theme. There is no coincidence here, Lucas actually came up with those names because in his head they sounded cool. That's how retarded he is.

There isn't a name in the Star Wars universe that doesn't sound stupid in one way or another

How this ties into Thief...

You answered your own question. The "Baron" sounds exactly like something Lucas could have come up with.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

It's early Monday for me, and I've been busy with other things, which might explain why my responses may seem terse or odd. Regardless, I'm going to take the time now to address this banter, point by point, because I see a reason that this needs to be cleared up.

The original topic was how names of protagonists and antagonists seem to have degraded in the Thief reboot, compared to the original Thief series, and how a comparison can be drawn to the names of Star Wars characters. On this general assumption we agree on, as there isn't a single name in either setting which hints at some deeper meaning, at best the meaning is obvious and shallow. A space-faring hero named Skywalker? A rogue smuggler doing things on his own called Solo? Rancor means "to bear ill will" which is what most monsters do by definition. It's two or three steps above calling it "monster". That's as deep as Star Wars names get, they're all seemingly pulled at random because they sound cool.

But on the other hand, Thief is no different. The Baron has always been called that, it is his title. But then again, in the Thief series he is a background character, barely a presence and only mentioned in passing. There was no need to name him further. The Star Wars Emperor follows the same path, except at one point Lucas realized that the character needs a name to go with the title. And yet, that name doesn't appear in the original trilogy at all, it's ret-conned in later on. Let's give Eidos Montreal a little leeway here, and wait and see if they'll come up with a full name go to with the title before the game is released. As for the antagonist names in Thief? Pulled at random. One is Latin, another is Greek, and the third one isn't even a name, just a cool-sounding word. Likewise, Burrick is a large lizard that burrows into the ground.

As for Star Wars names sounding silly? I stand corrected, as there are two names which actually are not silly: Yoda and Jabba. They're both short, simple and easy to pronounce. The Thiief series has the upper hand here in the way that none of the names used therein sound silly or appear to be made up on the spot.

In Star Wars there are no other themes present in naming, however one of my responses was aimed at your text which suggested that there was a naming theme, and that was the fact that you added the "in" suffix to the Sith names of Vader and the Emperor's Sith name. This was shot down a long time ago by Star Wars fans, either as an attempt at creating a theme which failed, or simply another coincidence. The newer Sith names of Maul and Tyrannus do not fit into this supposed suffix-theme, which is what I was getting at. All four names fit the "pulled at random because they sound cool" theme, but not the suffix-theme. Likewise, that "Vader" means father and "Gamall" means old in different languages, both hinting at a deeper meaning for both characters, can be written off as coincidences.

But I never asked a question, my sentence was made to lead one topic into the other.

What my long-winded post above shows, is that Lucas can be slammed for a silly naming convention, but so can the Thief series. One uses made-up names, the other mostly uses pre-existing ones.

 

[Manjuice Nutella]

How this ties into Thief... Gamall means "old" in Icelandic.

Location:

Iceland


Enjoyed your spoiler in Deadly Shadows?

 

[DragoFireheart]

I know Thaif is a pile of dog shit but I wanted to rant about another shit series that's extra shitty.

 

[Darth Slaughter]

as always been called that, it is his title. But then again, in the Thief series he is a background character, barely a presence and only mentioned in passing. There was no need to name him further. The Star Wars Emperor follows the same path, except at one point Lucas realized that the character needs a name to go with the title. And yet, that name doesn't appear in the original trilogy at all, it's ret-conned in later on. Let's give Eidos Montreal a little leeway here, and wait and see if they'll come up with a full name go to with the title before the game is released. As for the antagonist names in Thief? Pulled at random. One is Latin, another is Greek, and the third one isn't even a name, just a cool-sounding word. Likewise, Burrick is a large lizard that burrows into the ground.

To clarify this, the name Palpatine appears in Return of the Jedi credits. Though he is credited as "the Emperor" in The Empire Strikes Back.

In Star Wars there are no other themes present in naming, however one of my responses was aimed at your text which suggested that there was a naming theme, and that was the fact that you added the "in" suffix to the Sith names of Vader and the Emperor's Sith name. This was shot down a long time ago by Star Wars fans, either as an attempt at creating a theme which failed, or simply another coincidence. The newer Sith names of Maul and Tyrannus do not fit into this supposed suffix-theme, which is what I was getting at. All four names fit the "pulled at random because they sound cool" theme, but not the suffix-theme. Likewise, that "Vader" means father and "Gamall" means old in different languages, both hinting at a deeper meaning for both characters, can be written off as coincidences.

The idea of the "in" suffix, You say newer sith names of maul and tyrannus, when Sidious is a name that came up in the same movie the name maul appeared, so, the suffix theory was already broken when it was first mentioned.

What my long-winded post above shows, is that Lucas can be slammed for a silly naming convention, but so can the Thief series. One uses made-up names, the other mostly uses pre-existing ones.

Some names are sillier here in Brazil: Captain Panaka, and Panaca is a portuguese word for sucker, or dork. There is fode & beed, when fode means fuck. And Count Dooku, which they changed his name here to Dookan, because dooku would sound something like "from the asshole"

 

[Borelli]

And Count Dooku, which they changed his name here to Dookan, because dooku would sound something like "from George Lucas' brain"

Fixed

 

[Unkillable Cat]

To clarify this, the name Palpatine appears in Return of the Jedi credits. Though he is credited as "the Emperor" in The Empire Strikes Back.

I just checked, and he's credited as "the Emperor" in Return of the Jedi as well. But that's the Blu-Ray version, which is the third or fourth version of the film, he could have been credited as Palpatine in one of the earlier releases.

The idea of the "in" suffix, You say newer sith names of maul and tyrannus, when Sidious is a name that came up in the same movie the name maul appeared, so, the suffix theory was already broken when it was first mentioned.

It was disproven by the first of the new films, yes, but I'm fairly certain that the name Darth Sidious had been established in Star Wars lore well before 1999.

 

[Lyric Suite]

In Star Wars there are no other themes present in naming, however one of my responses was aimed at your text which suggested that there was a naming theme, and that was the fact that you added the "in" suffix to the Sith names of Vader and the Emperor's Sith name.

What? The "theme" i was referring to was that of naming villains using standard words, whether in a modified or complete form. There is no "suffix" rule, there is a "let's call bad guy with a bad word" rule, which sounds like something a 12 year old would do.

Fuck, even Obsidian followed the same pattern. Darth Nihilus? Darth Traya (she's a betrayer, get it)? Its demented. Just like "The Baron".

 

[mindx2]

What? The "theme" i was referring to was that of naming villains using standard words, whether in a modified or complete form. There is no "suffix" rule, there is a "let's call bad guy with a bad word" rule, which sounds like something a 12 year old would do.

Fuck, even Obsidian followed the same pattern. Darth Nihilus? Darth Traya (she's a betrayer, get it)? Its demented. Just like "The Baron".

Never bothered me and seems to "work" within that setting/ universe so... meh.

 

[Darth Slaughter]

To clarify this, the name Palpatine appears in Return of the Jedi credits. Though he is credited as "the Emperor" in The Empire Strikes Back.

I just checked, and he's credited as "the Emperor" in Return of the Jedi as well. But that's the Blu-Ray version, which is the third or fourth version of the film, he could have been credited as Palpatine in one of the earlier releases.

The idea of the "in" suffix, You say newer sith names of maul and tyrannus, when Sidious is a name that came up in the same movie the name maul appeared, so, the suffix theory was already broken when it was first mentioned.

It was disproven by the first of the new films, yes, but I'm fairly certain that the name Darth Sidious had been established in Star Wars lore well before 1999.

I thought sidious came up in episode 1. But if it was a name from the expanded universe, then george lucas wouldn't be the responsible one.

About palpatine in the credits, I may be mistaken.

 

[Turjan]

As for Star Wars names sounding silly? I stand corrected, as there are two names which actually are not silly: Yoda and Jabba. They're both short, simple and easy to pronounce.

Not silly? I guess Yoda got his name from the yoga position he was more or less confined to in the first film where he appeared. And jabber means to talk drivel. So yes, not silly names, not at all.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

They're less silly than most of the other names used in Star Wars.

And I am having one of those "derp" days, because what I meant to say "prefix" instead of "suffix".

Darth Sidious is definetely called by that name in Episode 1, but I'm still fairly certain it came about before that. I'm gonna check that further. Palpatine is defintely older than Episode 1, though.

Lyric Suite: Now that you finally stated what theme you were getting at, it makes sense. I've read some Expanded Universe material and most of the Sith names there bear some ill in them. Darth Plagueis, Bane, Mortis, Nihil, Strife. That theme most certainly is true.

 

[Gurkog]

No one ever mentions Darth Fuzzy the only wookie sith.

 

[Turjan]

No one ever mentions Darth Fuzzy the only wookie sith.

Why would anyone mention him. He was a stain on tradition (what kind of weakling stupid evil is being fuzzy?)

 

[Esquilax]

Been a while since we had such a train wreck of a game, probably the best since Oblivion. Very entertaining so far, would lol again.

I think this is more satisfying actually. Because even the dumbest of mainstream gaming outlets like Kotaku are convinced that it's going to suck. Oblivion made me bitter because everyone was calling such a shit game a brilliant masterpiece, but if this abomination is called for what it is by the most uncritical, retarded gaming sites around, then at least I'll know some justice has been served.

 

[Name]

From Hero-U Kickstarter update

The most impressive new games I saw were Thief and Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag. The lead writer and a senior game designer for Thief gave a good talk at Comic-Con about what they are trying to accomplish with the story and game play. They are smart people, and the game sounds as though it will have some depth.

 

[DraQ]

George Lucas is Darth Sipid, apparently.

 

[jcd]

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[Darth Slaughter]

Is there a Darth Cline?

From Hero-U Kickstarter update

The most impressive new games I saw were Thief and Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag. The lead writer and a senior game designer for Thief gave a good talk at Comic-Con about what they are trying to accomplish with the story and game play. They are smart people, and the game sounds as though it will have some depth.

Maybe they gave him a contribution.

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

Maybe they gave him a contribution.

Apparently, Eidos Montreal/Sqeenix have money to burn.

 

[DraQ]

From Hero-U Kickstarter update

The most impressive new games I saw were Thief and Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag. The lead writer and a senior game designer for Thief gave a good talk at Comic-Con about what they are trying to accomplish with the story and game play. They are smart people, and the game sounds as though it will have some depth.

Too bad they're already founded, if you catch my drift.

 

[Wilian]

I thought sidious came up in episode 1. But if it was a name from the expanded universe, then george lucas wouldn't be the responsible one.

About palpatine in the credits, I may be mistaken.

The name Darth Sidious was both in original Return of the Jedi script and the 1983 novelization based on it.