Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Infinitron]

Is mindreading really as "powerful" in terms of unlocking content as WisInt was in PS:T? That was supposed to be a kind of design they wanted to avoid in this game.

 

[DosBuster]

Something people should be aware of when comparing Planescape Torment and this game:

It is both nothing like Planescape Torment and in many ways it is exactly like Planescape Torment. PST came at a time when pretty much every Western CRPG was very much a generic D&D-esque (well, Planescape is D&D to be fair) experience, and PST could be considered either an anti-thesis or--to a lesser extent--an attempt at breaking all of those conventions.

Numernera, I believe, seems to be the same thing, a response to the cRPG tropes and conventions we see today in gaming. Also, playing this game finally gave me the knowledge to make the rather obvious connection as to what the Torment name means and in turn made me feel like an idiot.

Is mindreading really as "powerful" in terms of unlocking content as WisInt was in PS:T? That was supposed to be a kind of design they wanted to avoid in this game.

It more provides some narrative insight, and can change some dialogue options but for the most part all content has had other solutions along with the small few mind reading has provided.

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It is also implied mind reading will have some very negative consequences down the road.

 

[CMcC]

Is mindreading really as "powerful" in terms of unlocking content as WisInt was in PS:T? That was supposed to be a kind of design they wanted to avoid in this game.

It is not. There's a place or two where Scan Thoughts might gate significant reactivity, but it's primarily narrative color.

 

[Daedalos]

Thanks for your reponses, guys. It's really great reading your insights to our feedback in this thread.

 

[CMcC]

Codex provides some good feedback... you know, interspersed with the hostility. We're always happy to get feedback on the official forums, too. (Plus, then Brother None can ban you. He loves doing that.*)


* he does not love doing that.

 

[Robert Jarzebina]

CMcC is InExile planning move to /opening office in Poland? Living and making games here is much cheaper.

 

[Prime Junta]

Is mindreading really as "powerful" in terms of unlocking content as WisInt was in PS:T? That was supposed to be a kind of design they wanted to avoid in this game.

I wouldn't go quite that far. It does flesh out things a quite a lot though.

 

[Infinitron]

And apparently the only reason for hitting your fans with an inevitably buggy release is that mainstream dummies cannot understand a combat system without HP.

THEN WHY IN THE BLOODY VAGINAL BURP DID THEY RETARD PROOF THE GAME BY ADDING IN A FUCKING HEALTH BAR?

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Our systems guys are totally aware of this. Part of the reason for the introduction of the Health bar is that we had no way of knowing how or where people had spent their Pool points, and it was entirely possible they'd go into Crises or situations where they could irretrievably fail. While we're cool with ending games for bad choices ("Why yes, I *WILL* stand and fighting this gigantic insect toe to toe!"), we didn't want to create a frustrating initial experience because of a combination of stat management and unlucky random numbers.

We're still working on balancing all this. It is, as you might imagine, pretty tricky.

 

[ArchAngel]

Not sure what you are talking about. To use 3 effort you need to spend 7 points from your Int pool. For that to be free you need to have 7 Int Edge.

Not in T:ToN you don't. 1 Effort costs 1 Pool. 3 Edge gives 3 free Effort.

Either TToN uses very modified Numenera system or you have no clue what you are talking about and you are mistaking some other things for Effort.
Also cyphers are supposed to be one shot and not give bonus for every roll.

There's a cypher you get early on which gives +1 Intellect Edge until next rest. With that 3 Int Edge I have now (4 actually since I bumped it another notch), I don't see myself resting any time soon...

Ok... that is broken. No shit sherlock when you change basic mechanics things get broken... I hope this was an oversight from Inxile...

 

[prodigydancer]

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I did read that post. It's just not very convincing, sorry. When a player exhausts a limited resource pool and then fails an encounter, it's OK in my book. I don't see why the game should babysit us to ensure this isn't even a possibility. (Whether or not such situations should potentially block crit path progression is another question but in any case there are more elegant ways to address this particular issue.) Randomness is supposed to be meaningful too. If you make RNG completely toothless, why use it at all? Gambling where you cannot lose isn't gambling and isn't fun.

I'm not a Numenera purist. But the game already at least one failsafe device (the Castoff Labyrinth). Does it really need more? I would support HP if the game were RTwP with traditional combat. But in the context of existing TToN systems this change looks like a cop-out.

 

[Daedalos]

What performance are y'all gettin'?

I'm at mostly 50-60 fps with V-sync most of the time, with dips to like 40-50 in Sagus Cliffs big areas with lots of NPCs and zoomed out, running around.

I got occational stutters and jitters, especially in the intro area when the pillars turn and change for a few seconds.

I got a 970gtx clocked with I7 4790k

I'm also having trouble seeing the detail of characters etc unless I zoom in pretty far, which sadly hurts my eyes abit.

 

[Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd]

CMcC I am immensely enjoying new beta! Honestly I didn't believe that game (esp. intro) would change so drastically.
It is so much better now. Incredible work!

 

[Fry]

What performance are y'all gettin'?

I'm at mostly 50-60 fps with V-sync most of the time, with dips to like 40-50 in Sagus Cliffs big areas with lots of NPCs and zoomed out, running around.

I got occational stutters and jitters, especially in the intro area when the pillars turn and change for a few seconds.

Pretty much the same with an i7-4790k and GTX770. CPU around 35% load and GPU 75-100%.

 

[Drudkh]

What performance are y'all gettin'?

I'm at mostly 50-60 fps with V-sync most of the time, with dips to like 40-50 in Sagus Cliffs big areas with lots of NPCs and zoomed out, running around.

I got occational stutters and jitters, especially in the intro area when the pillars turn and change for a few seconds.

I got a 970gtx clocked with I7 4790k

I wish i ran nearly as good as that. My card is comparable to yours if maybe a bit stronger in power, but i'm still running an amd 3.2 quad without any overclocking.... yeah, it's bad. Luckily in an isometric rpg fps doesn't matter too much, so it's acceptable to me. (wasteland 2 and pillars run flawless with x12 anti-aliasing, on the other hand)

 

[SniperHF]

purple (whale),

I really liked this one

Don't remember the others as clearly but it's been awhile since I've read through them.

 

[MRY]

purple (whale),

I really liked this one

Don't remember the others as clearly but it's been awhile since I've read through them.

Thanks!

 

[Ninjerk]

Just started playing the game today.

Fascinating. I'd also like to say that I'm glad whatever the state of combat that it isn't a Select All right-click borefest.

 

[Grotesque]

It would be nice if the game would support selecting that attack damage bonus via keyboard shortcuts also (1 2 3 etc. keys or any other keys). Selecting it with mouse only becomes tedious after some time.
Keyboard shortcuts support for everything in fact.
It doesn't matter if we'll be able to rebind those keys or not but keyboard shortcuts is a must in my opinion.

 

[Sensuki]

What performance are y'all gettin'?

I'm at mostly 50-60 fps with V-sync most of the time, with dips to like 40-50 in Sagus Cliffs big areas with lots of NPCs and zoomed out, running around.

I got occational stutters and jitters, especially in the intro area when the pillars turn and change for a few seconds.

Pretty much the same with an i7-4790k and GTX770. CPU around 35% load and GPU 75-100%.

Same. Still nowhere near good enough for release, but much more playable

 

[Whisky]

Don't really like the new intro crisis. It's really plain and the area it's in is so dull compared to the original. Just attack three enemies and that's it.

The original had problems; the crisis for it was a bit tedious but I actually liked the Tidal monsters you approach in the tanks and it introduced that Crisis's are about more than just combat. Moving the CYOA's away from that section in the Beta doesn't help matters, but I'm glad you clarified they're still in the game.

 

[veskoandroid]

Obviously the localizations allow them time to polish the game.

So they just used localization as an excuse...

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[undecaf]

Don't really like the new intro crisis. It's really plain and the area it's in is so dull compared to the original. Just attack three enemies and that's it.

The original had problems; the crisis for it was a bit tedious but I actually liked the Tidal monsters you approach in the tanks and it introduced that Crisis's are about more than just combat. Moving the CYOA's away from that section in the Beta doesn't help matters, but I'm glad you clarified they're still in the game.

Agreed. They went a bit overboard in simplifying the opening act before waking up. Even though it was a bit infoheavy and a tad cumbersome in places, lots of intrigue was lost in the new iteration.

 

[veevoir]

https://forums.inxile-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=15806

"HP pools are a good move" cause managing of pools as strategic resource is teh hard and much confuse..

This thread has potential

 

[Infinitron]

https://forums.inxile-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=15806

"HP pools are a good move" cause managing of pools as strategic resource is teh hard and much confuse..

This thread has potential

"HarveyV" sounds suspiciously like The Game Analists.

 

[Kem0sabe]

So I downloaded, and the performance is improved, but still a long way from being playable for the majority of gamers (those that don't own core i7 and gtx970)... Fucking unity.

Writing and pace wise they did the right thing streamlining the intro, tho the writing is still hit and miss, and it's noticeable that there are too many writers.

Overall, it's a marked improvement over wasteland 2.