Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Thread

[IHaveHugeNick]

excidium-ii

https://pcgamesn.com/pillars-of-eternity-2-deadfire/chris-avellone-obsidian

 

[Sentinel]

excidium-ii

https://pcgamesn.com/pillars-of-eternity-2-deadfire/chris-avellone-obsidian

Fucking Chris broke Sawyer's heart.
It's not fair!

 

[Chris Avelltwo]

Chris Avellone gave this his full endorsement. Was he wrong?

 

[Luckmann]

At $3.5M, Chris will be joining our design team. He’ll have two primary roles. First, he will be reviewing and providing feedback on all creative elements of the game, including the story, characters, and areas.

"Providing feedback and reviewing" is literally the worst possible job you could give Avellone. He's nice to the point of being autistic, there's no way he could tell someone "this crap you wrote gave me syphilis, change it completely or remove it".

Not true actually, I think Sawyer said in a recent interview that Chris does amazing job at giving useful feedback and pointing out the flaws in design or story.

i would take those words with a grain of salt because public interviews and such. The real world, especially in public and professional space we are expected courtesy in our words and action.

It isnt like the codex where you cam say almost whatever you want and still accepted. I visit this site to escape that pretentious hellscape that is the real world and say whats on my mind. Dump all my bitterness and anger as much as i want to.

I habe to put up with annoying client and customers in my real life, amd have to be nice to them.

You don't. You choose to. Once you realize that, it gets easier.

Chris Avellone gave this his full endorsement. Was he wrong?

We were all wrong. We cannot fault a god for the failings of man.

 

[Sentinel]

He thought his baby was in safe hands.

 

[hexer]

This thread deserves an appropriate soundtrack that goes along with our posts..
Notice the song title also

 

[Harold]

4 years later, I finally get to fucking gloat.

Time for a trip down memory lane with ol' uncle Harold. Hands inside the vehicle at all times, kids.

Upon chancing on an article detailing McComb's work on PST, Harold expresses some concern.

Having been summoned by the local newsjew, mr. McCuck provides this excellent rebuttal, wherein one can already discern his writerly talent and his perchant for being a giant nu-male faggot.

Being the gentleman he is, Harold attempts to assuage the Shillarytard's fears, whilst also drawing his attention towards his hurting butt.

Harold's response is met with a prompt 'no u' from the fearless twitter warrior.

Little did I know at the time that McCuck's butthurt was so great, he actually put a giant butthole in the game that you had to sensually massage to relieve his pain. For what it's worth, bros, I'm sorry for my part in making you go through that in 2rment.

At last, 4 fucking years later, I get to both "crow all over the internet about how foresighted" I was and "dig up my old rant" so I can FINALLY GET. MY. FUCKING. WELL-DESERVED. INTERNET MEDAL!

And i gotta say...

 

[Lurker King]

Obsidian's Josh Sawyer misses having Chris Avellone around: "He's a machine"

Well, too late, asshole. You didn't let him design anything, and now you want him back to increase your pedigree using his work ethics as an excuse?

 

[ga♥]

4 years later, I finally get to fucking gloat.

Time for a trip down memory lane with ol' uncle Harold. Hands inside the vehicle at all times, kids.

Upon chancing on an article detailing McComb's work on PST, Harold expresses some concern.

Having been summoned by the local newsjew, mr. McCuck provides this excellent rebuttal, wherein one can already discern his writerly talent and his perchant for being a giant nu-male faggot.

Being the gentleman he is, Harold attempts to assuage the Shillarytard's fears, whilst also drawing his attention towards his hurting butt.

Harold's response is met with a prompt 'no u' from the fearless twitter warrior.

Little did I know at the time that McCuck's butthurt was so great, he actually put a giant butthole in the game that you had to sensually massage to relieve his pain. For what it's worth, bros, I'm sorry for my part in making you go through that in 2rment.

At last, 4 fucking years later, I get to both "crow all over the internet about how foresighted" I was and "dig up my old rant" so I can FINALLY GET. MY. FUCKING. WELL-DESERVED. INTERNET MEDAL!

And i gotta say...

Why should he justify his work on PST with you? I mean, who the fuck are you, also why don't you have a tag?

 

[Ivan]

Why should he justify his work on PST with you? I mean, who the fuck are you, also why don't you have a tag?

Joined: Feb 2, 2017

 

[Kev Inkline]

Why should he justify his work on PST with you? I mean, who the fuck are you, also why don't you have a tag?

Joined: Feb 2, 2017

He's an alt right, for sure

 

[felipepepe]

Why should he justify his work on PST with you?

Ever heard of something called post-mortem, where devs talk about their work on a game, what worked and what not?

They are extremely interesting to read/hear, and often help the devs themselves, allowing them to revisit some stuff with hindsight. Doesn't have to be a isolated presentation or article, the Codex and good journalists often ask that of everyone. MCA had no problem addressing the criticism over New Reno in F2, for example:

2. Let's go briefly through your career-defining moments. Fallout 2, New Reno. It's a well done town, especially from a role-playing point of view. There is only one problem, it doesn't fit into the setting. Why did you decide to do it that way?

CHRIS: Why doesn't it fit with the setting? Maybe you're right.

VINCE: It's a gangster town. Btw, you don't need to care about my opinion, feel free to explain in your answer that it fits perfectly and people who think otherwise are blind morons ​

CHRIS: But I do care about your opinion. Come on, tell me.

VINCE: I feel that organized crime and "families" are too much for a post-apoc setting. Organized crime, in my opinion, requires a much more developed social infrastructure. In a less developed one, there is no reason for bandits and raiders to form anything higher than a gang.​

CHRIS: Okay, well that's no fun. I completely disagree with that. I think if you have the organized structure for towns, cities, caravans, religious cults, water merchants, then you can either have some structure that equates to that or a predator that feeds on those structures (like Decker was in the Hub, and he was many, many years before New Reno). I was going off a one-page design outline for the area that Tim Cain had done, but I agreed with it, and I am sure Tim would still agree with it on principle, if not on execution.

VINCE: The reasons and needs for creation and development of organized settlements (towns) and religion are different than those for creation and development of organized crime. Without turning it into an essay, there is a good reason why the Sicilian Mafia, the first of the organized crime models, was developed only in 19th century due to industrialization & trade.

As for Decker, again, there is a difference between a criminal operating in a bar and mobsters running casinos and drug labs.​

Secondly, I (and Tom French, now a rockstar at Pandemic) had a lot of fun working on New Reno. I think it presents a lot of fun role-playing opportunities and things to do, no matter what "type" of character you are, but does it fit in the setting? No, probably not. It's too sexually over the top, too much profanity, and the look and attitude of some of the characters is too modern-day to complement the feel of the Fallout world (the Mordino family, the fedora hats, the porn studio, the tommy guns, shivs). In that respect, I would consider it an immature design, and while I had fun with it, I don't think it was the best rendition of a section of the Fallout world. It also had horrible load times because I crammed too much stuff in there.

But I still think it was fun to play, and it was fun to design. And I think it was cool to be able to go back there after the game was over and have some fun. And killing the crime bosses in secret ways was fun. And I liked Golgotha, even if the name was inappropriate. And I liked Lenny's Dad (thanks, French).

He disagreed with VD, exposed his point and that's it. Addressing criticism is not this huge drama and it's much more productive than just loving the press giving you 10/10 while the game itself bombs.

Also, a honest answer ends guessing. Without clear answers, people will just keep trying to guess what happens, conspiracy theories will emerge, drama will boil... it's really dumb to let it run wild.

 

[Kev Inkline]

it's now officially mixed on Steam. If they will not include great patches with game play content the game will be good as dead.

Why the sadface ? The shadenfreude brings me calm and joy after wasting 100$ on inEptile and holding off on a refund request before the release, because I've felt bad about it ( lol, nice guy ).

The rage would burn me out from within, if it didn't flopped as hard as it did ( lol, more refunds then purchases on the last day ), now I'm like "this is fine "

To each his own, I woiuld surely feel really disappointed if I hadn't gone from $140 to $25 (could prolly have had a full refund, but I still wanted to contribute a little). Sure refunding felt kind of bad and letting them down at the time, but now it seems to have been an absolutely correct decision. Now I can 'objectively' assess the game for what it is, without that extra $115 burning in the back of my skull.
(which I can of course spend to pledge for PoE2, right? )

And no, outside of shitposting in this thread, I didn't do anything that would contribute to this failure.

Likewise. These threads are the best.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

He disagreed with VD, exposed his point and that's it. Addressing criticism is not this huge drama and it's much more productive than just loving the press giving you 10/10 while the game itself bombs.

Also, a honest answer ends guessing. Without clear answers, people will just keep trying to guess what happens, conspiracy theories will emerge, drama will boil... it's really dumb to let it run wild.

This x100. The way some of them are currently behaving is a better critique of InXile as a company, than any of the rants people here were able to produce. The fact Fargo pretends everything is fine I can at least understand, he's a CEO and needs to drive the PR, plus he's been in the industry for over 30 years and shipped countless games before, so I seriously doubt he's actually butthurt about the reception.

The others though? Every day on Twitter, reddit, forums, spamming 10/10 reviews from mainstream media and thanking people who give them a nice pat on the back. But I haven't seen a single one of them interact with a person who dislikes anything about the game. It's astonishing, really, and it speaks volumes about what really went down there. Yeah it was probably troubled production, and they most likely had to downscale the scope a lot, because of awful sales forecast. But it's also arrogance and hubris, this was their baby and now that it turns out it has Down's, they keep sitting in their bubble like nothing happened.

 

[Kev Inkline]

He disagreed with VD, exposed his point and that's it. Addressing criticism is not this huge drama and it's much more productive than just loving the press giving you 10/10 while the game itself bombs.

Also, a honest answer ends guessing. Without clear answers, people will just keep trying to guess what happens, conspiracy theories will emerge, drama will boil... it's really dumb to let it run wild.

This x100. The way some of them are currently behaving is a better critique of InXile as a company, than any of the rants people here were able to produce. The fact Fargo pretends everything is fine I can at least understand, he's a CEO and needs to drive the PR, plus he's been in the industry for over 30 years and shipped countless games before, so I seriously doubt he's actually butthurt about the reception.

The others though? Every day on Twitter, reddit, forums, spamming 10/10 reviews from mainstream media and thanking people who give them a nice pat on the back. But I haven't seen a single one of them interact with a person who dislikes anything about the game. It's astonishing, really, and it speaks volumes about what really went down there. Yeah it was probably troubled production, and they most likely had to downscale the scope a lot, because of awful sales forecast. But it's also arrogance and hubris, this was their baby and now that it turns out it has Down's, they keep sitting in their bubble like nothing happened.

To be fair, that MCA interview didn't take place within two weeks of PST's release, did it? I'd say it's best to give some time, perhaps we can get a more throughout and critical self-assesment in a span of a few months.

 

[Lilura]

To be fair, that MCA interview didn't take place within two weeks of PST's release, did it?

If the dates are correct it was conducted seven years later. So yeah, pretty fucking irrelevant.

 

[Rev]

4 years later, I finally get to fucking gloat.

Time for a trip down memory lane with ol' uncle Harold. Hands inside the vehicle at all times, kids.

Upon chancing on an article detailing McComb's work on PST, Harold expresses some concern.

Having been summoned by the local newsjew, mr. McCuck provides this excellent rebuttal, wherein one can already discern his writerly talent and his perchant for being a giant nu-male faggot.

Being the gentleman he is, Harold attempts to assuage the Shillarytard's fears, whilst also drawing his attention towards his hurting butt.

Harold's response is met with a prompt 'no u' from the fearless twitter warrior.

Little did I know at the time that McCuck's butthurt was so great, he actually put a giant butthole in the game that you had to sensually massage to relieve his pain. For what it's worth, bros, I'm sorry for my part in making you go through that in 2rment.

At last, 4 fucking years later, I get to both "crow all over the internet about how foresighted" I was and "dig up my old rant" so I can FINALLY GET. MY. FUCKING. WELL-DESERVED. INTERNET MEDAL!

And i gotta say...

Goddamn, McComb's answers to your posts were so fucking childish.
I mean, sure, your post was provocative even if you made some valid points to your criticisms, but he could've just given the usual PR talk, instead of this:

a) crow all over the internet about how foresighted you were to avoid contributing to such a horrible piece of crap. Your "I was right on the intenet" medal will be mailed to you shortly thereafter; OR
b) hope that no one digs up your old rants about a game that hasn't yet been released and rubs your face in how stupid you were. (note: the medal tarnishes a lot more quickly than this shame wears off.)

Wonder how he's doing now that the game is having shitty sales and even inXile's own forums are full of criticisms.

 

[Chamezero]

"I was right on the internet" tag when

 

[Rev]

Obsidian's Josh Sawyer misses having Chris Avellone around: "He's a machine"

Well, too late, asshole. You didn't let him design anything, and now you want him back to increase your pedigree using his work ethics as an excuse?

Or maybe, unlike what the Codex likes to believe, Sawyer had nothing to do with Avellone's departure and the two of them were never at war with each other.

But I guess, it's easier to believe that the Evil Overlord Sawyer intentionally robbed poor Chris of all the lead roles on their games and eventually drove him out of the company, even if he never had that kind of power since he was and is just an employee (albeit an important one), while Avellone was one of the co-founders and co-owners and therefore ranked higher on the hierarchy. That seems a very likely scenario, sure.

 

[Kev Inkline]

"I was right on the internet" tag when

We do have it already:

 

[prodigydancer]

so inxile is also censoring people

You need to be very alternatively gifted to think that breaking forum rules will end well for you anywhere. inXile mods are, if anything, too lenient. I bashed WL2 DC and TToN and inXile developers there, yet not a single one of my posts was deleted.

 

[Goral]

so inxile is also censoring people

You need to be very alternatively gifted to think that breaking forum rules will end well for you anywhere. inXile mods are, if anything, too lenient. I bashed WL2 DC and TToN and inXile developers there, yet not a single one of my posts was deleted.

Thing is I didn't break any forum rules (what race traitor Zombra posted is just retarded and has no relevance to what I said), they just arbitrarily decided that I'm trolling and deleted my thread because they can and because it's not a praise of inXile's work. Like I said, you either talk good about SJW crap or none at all because inXile is "progressive". But it's no wonder that a guy with a safe space tag would think that.

 

[Prime Junta]

Chris Avellone gave this his full endorsement. Was he wrong?

Yes.

Chris Avellone was also drafted onboard to be a consultant, giving feedback on all creative aspects of the game.

That is the single, saddest thing about the whole sad affair. He was there, as a bunch of well-meaning nincompoops tore into his legacy. It's as if Beethoven was called into consult and critique, and the outcome was I'm Blue Da Ba Dee Da Ba Die.

 

[an Administrator]

I know that much. Unavoidable combat before you leave the starting area.

You can solve the first crisis without killing anyone. Wait for a few turns without doing anything and Sorrow will get bored and leaves.

 

[Rev]

You can solve the first crisis without killing anyone. Wait for a few turns without doing anything and Sorrow will get bored and leaves.

WTF? How does that even make sense? Why would the Sorrow abandon its hunt like that?