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[InD_ImaginE]

What are you guys going to play first in IE and why?

Either VC or WoC for obvious reason of having rework

 

[Luka-boy]

What are you guys going to play first in IE and why?

Chad von Carstein.
I never did a proper VC campaign even though I wanted to and the faction rework is the perfect excuse.

 

[zapotec]

Karlo Franzo or Ungrim

 

[Lacrymas]

The Legend of TWW Balancing

This is sort of true, but Control Large Armies is still OP and basically better than lightning strike in a lot of the situations in which you'd use it. This greentext is also not even touching on the how WH3 sieges are designed to defeat the siege cheese. I think the bigger issue is just something for another game series that isn't Total War to solve, which is just to have a more engaging simulation of pre-battle army positioning which takes into account the positions of the camps of both armies.

If by "siege cheese" you mean destroying a section of towers and shooting the clueless AI that just sits on the walls, that was fixed in Troy already. The towers can't be destroyed (along with other things, but those won't work in WH), which I'm ok with. Much better than having the tower minigame. Sieges in WH3 are so bad that I avoid them at all costs, to the point of waiting enough turns to autoresolve them without much casualties. A lot of the cheese can be fixed by bringing ranged units in line and improving the AI too.

 

[Sizzle]

What are you guys going to play first in IE and why?

Grombrindal. Those pansy Dark Elves better get ready for a grudgin'!

 

[Lord of Riva]

So, i wonder if the WoC will remain a shitty Horde. Because thats make or break for me.

Looking forward to them at least looking at my faction which is complete shit since WH 1 and hopefully fixing them up to an extent that doesn't make me vomit. Mono God WoC is a huge improvement, would love to play as Vilitch

 

[InD_ImaginE]

So, i wonder if the WoC will remain a shitty Horde. Because thats make or break for me.

IIRC they will be semi horde from the update description. Several city will be designated as Dark Fortress or something like that where you can hunker down but the Lord itself still has access to Horde recruitment

 

[Lord of Riva]

So, i wonder if the WoC will remain a shitty Horde. Because thats make or break for me.

IIRC they will be semi horde from the update description. Several city will be designated as Dark Fortress or something like that where you can hunker down but the Lord itself still has access to Horde recruitment

That could work, we will see. Not sure I am happy about this though. It's not the theme they are going with but the fact that the gameplay that makes Total war a fun experience is completely gutted as a horde.
So, demons of chaos actually "build" but their Mortal counter-parts don't, I really don't get it why they are married to that idea.

 

[Maculo]

What are you guys going to play first in IE and why?

Grombrindal. Those pansy Dark Elves better get ready for a grudgin'!

Fighting a man who simply loves his mother, tsk tsk.

 

[Fedora Master]

Early dwarf units vs AP Darkshards
What could go wrong.

 

[Sizzle]

Early dwarf units vs AP Darkshards
What could go wrong.

IKR, those Darkies don't stand a chance!

 

[tabacila]

Festus is here


Blog stuff: https://www.totalwar.com/blog/tww3-introducing-festus/

Spoiler

TOTAL WAR: WARHAMMER III – INTRODUCING FESTUS THE LEECHLORD​

TOTAL WAR: WARHAMMER III

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CA Evangelos
July 26 2022

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Hello Total War: WARHAMMER community! Today we’re revealing the second Legendary Lord joining the Champions of Chaos Lords pack—Festus the Leechlord—coming to Total War: WARHAMMER III on August 23rd.
Doctor Festus is a deranged devotee of Nurgle who pledged a lifetime of service to the Plague God in return for his forbidden knowledge. He goes to war with few intentions beyond furthering his revolting studies of sickness, ailments, and plagues… It is a far better fate to die on the battlefield than to be captured for the doctor’s experiments!

ON THE BATTLEFIELD…​

Long forgetting the Hippocratic Oath he so vehemently preached as a mortal, Festus can be found concocting a variety of horrific potions and unleashing Lore of Nurgle spells, both of which allow him to manipulate the battlefield in insidious ways. While his Healing Elixirs ability replenishes the hit points of his own combatants, the Harbinger of Pestilence ability instead deals damage to enemy combatants. Yet there’s a catch: both act more like toggleable passive abilities that are mutually exclusive to use (meaning that only one of the two can be active at any one time).

FACTION EFFECTS​

• Vassals gain poison attacks and spread Nurgle’s corruption
• Can brew Plagues
• Souls +25 when a plague is spread

LORD EFFECTS​

• Plague duration: +3 turns (local armies)
• Battle healing cap: +25% (Lord’s Army)

UP NEXT​

We’ll be sharing an even more in-depth look at Festus in a Let’s Play video coming TOMORROW, so look for that over on the official Total War YouTube channel. Then, keep your eyes peeled for more news about the third Legendary Lord joining the Champions of Chaos next week!

 

[copebot]

The Legend of TWW Balancing

This is sort of true, but Control Large Armies is still OP and basically better than lightning strike in a lot of the situations in which you'd use it. This greentext is also not even touching on the how WH3 sieges are designed to defeat the siege cheese. I think the bigger issue is just something for another game series that isn't Total War to solve, which is just to have a more engaging simulation of pre-battle army positioning which takes into account the positions of the camps of both armies.

If by "siege cheese" you mean destroying a section of towers and shooting the clueless AI that just sits on the walls, that was fixed in Troy already. The towers can't be destroyed (along with other things, but those won't work in WH), which I'm ok with. Much better than having the tower minigame. Sieges in WH3 are so bad that I avoid them at all costs, to the point of waiting enough turns to autoresolve them without much casualties. A lot of the cheese can be fixed by bringing ranged units in line and improving the AI too.

I liked Troy sieges, but each one took me a long time to do without tons of casualties. WH3 sieges I also like, but it does take some getting used to, and it's a lot harder to deal with efficiently before you have memorized every map. By now, I just know every map and have a go-to strategy for most armies that work for those maps. The biggest thing is just that it's micro-heavy in an annoying way because there are so many 'no click' areas that should be passable but aren't.

The thing that Warhammer has that other titles in the series don't is the combination of both spells and artillery. The new AI avoids passive blobbing. If you want them blob, you have to commit some units to it, and they don't blob together like 10 units in a little courtyard like they used to. It's the same thing in that if you want to pick away at them with ranged units, they will start evading you unless you lock them down in melee one way or the other. The bigger way to manipulate them is more like Troy, in which you keep them chasing around useless units to give your main force more room to cap, but that's also better than WH2.

I do think that it's still easier to beat the AI in sieges than in the field in most situations, but you at least have to work for it a little. The AI's new issue in sieges is that it still hates sallying, so it will send little bits of its army to be defeated in detail to avoid giving up anything. The AI is really biased against giving up ground and just fighting for the minimum points that it needs to avoid losing.

 

[Maculo]

So, i wonder if the WoC will remain a shitty Horde. Because thats make or break for me.

IIRC they will be semi horde from the update description. Several city will be designated as Dark Fortress or something like that where you can hunker down but the Lord itself still has access to Horde recruitment

That could work, we will see. Not sure I am happy about this though. It's not the theme they are going with but the fact that the gameplay that makes Total war a fun experience is completely gutted as a horde.
So, demons of chaos actually "build" but their Mortal counter-parts don't, I really don't get it why they are married to that idea.

My guess? Thematically, Mortal followers are busy trying to earn fame and blessings/marks/good boy points. Demons are already passed that and trying to expand the domain of chaos.

 

[Jaedar]

So I finally got around to playing this with my 1 dollar gamepass.

I get why people complain about realm of souls. And the siege rework is not good either. Basic settlement fights are so annoying now, and barely any field battles left. And in half the layouts the towers barely work.

Also feels like Tzeentch's roster is very shallow, but I'm not really sure yet, as I'm only 40 turns in.

 

[razvedchiki]

has this, sailed the sartosa sea yet?

 

[InD_ImaginE]

has this, sailed the sartosa sea yet?

no, it has denuvo

and most people who gonna play this require shit ton of patch and the other 2 games to begin with, just base WH3 without DLC, patches, IE, and mods are really not worth playing

 

[Fedora Master]

Also feels like Tzeentch's roster is very shallow, but I'm not really sure yet, as I'm only 40 turns in.

All demon factions essentially consist of 5 or so units with one or two straight upgrades each.

 

[razvedchiki]

i have 2, just wanted to see how 3 runs on my toaster.
also to try out the cathay units, the ying/yang sounds interesting.

 

[Bigg Boss]

i have 2, just wanted to see how 3 runs on my toaster.
also to try out the cathay units, the ying/yang sounds interesting.

How does 3 run on your toaster compared to 2?

 

[Maculo]

So I finally got around to playing this with my 1 dollar gamepass.

I get why people complain about realm of souls. And the siege rework is not good either. Basic settlement fights are so annoying now, and barely any field battles left. And in half the layouts the towers barely work.

Also feels like Tzeentch's roster is very shallow, but I'm not really sure yet, as I'm only 40 turns in.

It's subjective, but Tzeentch has some hard-hitting, micro intensive units, such as the flamers. You can absolutely dumpster certain armies and lords.

Unless CA fixed it, once you have access to Lords of Change you don't need anything else though. I can't cite anything technical, but something makes Lords of Change unreasonably tanky. They can outlast most armies by abusing barrier. For anything harder, you have magic (creative use of base magic missile spell goes far).

i have 2, just wanted to see how 3 runs on my toaster.
also to try out the cathay units, the ying/yang sounds interesting.

Cathay is one of the more polarizing factions imo. I find that people either like it or hate it.

 

[razvedchiki]

i have 2, just wanted to see how 3 runs on my toaster.
also to try out the cathay units, the ying/yang sounds interesting.

How does 3 run on your toaster compared to 2?

havent tried it yet.

 

[Fedora Master]

 

[InD_ImaginE]

i have 2, just wanted to see how 3 runs on my toaster.
also to try out the cathay units, the ying/yang sounds interesting.

Both Cathay and Kislev plays like dorf with cavalry

I guess it makes it high elves or something

 

[Cyberarmy]

i have 2, just wanted to see how 3 runs on my toaster.

It's on gamepass.