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Nifft Batuff

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Delphik

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Playing RPG games is for kids and nerds.
How is this controversial?

Anyway, first person RPGs if made by the right people would be much better than most isometric RPGs by sheer immerse factor alone, the only reason it hasn't happened because RPGs are not profitable enough so we get watered-down versions (Fallout 4, Skyrim).
 

Modron

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Frozen 2 is a very based story about finding spirituality.
Many people had spiritual awakenings at the Frozen 2 premiere:
Five teenagers have been arrested after a massive brawl involving machetes at a Birmingham Star City cinema in England. On Saturday afternoon, many families were queueing up for the new animated sequel Frozen 2 with children in attendance as young as four years old. This is when a "major disorder" broke out involving up to 100 teenagers, with some even brandishing machetes, turning the Disney movie screening into an abhorrent nightmare for everyone in the building.
https://movieweb.com/frozen-2-machete-brawl-teenagers/
 

RaggleFraggle

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I think sheer lore volume is irrelevant to the actual quality of an IP. I've seen so many people say that so and so setting has rich lore, but it's just reciting factoids from an in-game encyclopedia. There's no plot or characters involved, aside from at most a brief synopsis of some events that happened long ago and far away. The PC(s) are never involved in any of this, so it's irrelevant to what plot does exist. Lore volume isn't going to make up for bad gameplay or bad writing either. For example, 40k has tons of lore but this doesn't affect the hit-or-miss quality of the video games.

On a related note, I don't believe in pining for old IPs from your childhood that are now owned by woke corpos and the like. Sometimes those IPs just weren't very good to begin with and/or they've been ruined so much that there's really no point in trying to salvage them. I believe that we need more IPs being made by indie creators to maintain a healthy and diverse marketplace of IPs rather than crowding around a handful of long-running IPs owned by fickle corpo interests.
 

RaggleFraggle

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Rather than complaining about how so and so company has ruined so and so franchise and so and so devs aren’t making the game you want, I think people should channel their energy into constructive pursuits like game design and/or creative writing. Even if you don’t hit big right off the bat, I find it’s more fulfilling and less stressful than complaining.
 

Kruyurk

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Rather than complaining about how so and so company has ruined so and so franchise and so and so devs aren’t making the game you want, I think people should channel their energy into constructive pursuits like game design and/or creative writing. Even if you don’t hit big right off the bat, I find it’s more fulfilling and less stressful than complaining.
I don't agree. I consider video games art, not to put them on a pedestal but because they should be critiqued as such. I can't write my own books, create my own music or my own video games. I need other people to create good art for me to enjoy, and I will criticize it because I care.

What I don't get on the other hand is people spending much time criticizing stuff they have no interest in. These people complain about anything that does not align with their tastes.

Criticizing Obsidian because you care about their older games and they keep marketing their new games to your niche is fine. Bitching about newcomers like Disco Elysium (which I did not play) because it is not what you consider proper RPG is childish. Maybe it was not meant for you.
 

Morenatsu.

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Criticizing Obsidian because you care about their older games and they keep marketing their new games to your niche is fine. Bitching about newcomers like Disco Elysium (which I did not play) because it is not what you consider proper RPG is childish. Maybe it was not meant for you.
But if they are bitching about Friendship Ended with Furries it's because they care. About what an RPG is.
 

RaggleFraggle

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Rather than complaining about how so and so company has ruined so and so franchise and so and so devs aren’t making the game you want, I think people should channel their energy into constructive pursuits like game design and/or creative writing. Even if you don’t hit big right off the bat, I find it’s more fulfilling and less stressful than complaining.
I don't agree. I consider video games art, not to put them on a pedestal but because they should be critiqued as such. I can't write my own books, create my own music or my own video games. I need other people to create good art for me to enjoy, and I will criticize it because I care.

What I don't get on the other hand is people spending much time criticizing stuff they have no interest in. These people complain about anything that does not align with their tastes.

Criticizing Obsidian because you care about their older games and they keep marketing their new games to your niche is fine. Bitching about newcomers like Disco Elysium (which I did not play) because it is not what you consider proper RPG is childish. Maybe it was not meant for you.
I didn’t become a writer until I became frustrated that IPs I liked either went into directions I didn’t like under woke corporate oversight or just stopped being appealing because my tastes changed. I complained for a while, but that only earned me stress and revilement from fans who didn’t agree with me. So I decided to make my own stuff and talk to like-minded people. Writing is a skill that I am always learning. I’m much happier doing something constructive rather than vainly hoping corpos might make something I’d like.
 

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It's great that devs have finally woken up to the fact that most gamers aren't white cishet males and started putting POC on the cover art. I'm just waiting for some LGBTQ2S+ MCs in the future. The Force may be female, but gaming is gay!
 

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