Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[ciox]

https://underrail.com/forums/index.php?topic=1566.msg25890#msg25890

[Expedition] Shotgun will no longer trigger Ambush since it's not a single target weapon

The scales of balance have spoken. I'm more curious why you can no longer trigger opportunism against snakes?

Also part of your weapon's stats transferring to the shield bash was pretty interesting, that's what made Smite so interesting in Diablo 2, otherwise it's just kind of an underwhelming side move you can do.

 

[CappenVarra]

Sseth's comment about RPS

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Tigranes]

https://underrail.com/forums/index.php?topic=1566.msg25890#msg25890

[Expedition] Shotgun will no longer trigger Ambush since it's not a single target weapon

The scales of balance have spoken. I'm more curious why you can no longer trigger opportunism against snakes?

Also part of your weapon's stats transferring to the shield bash was pretty interesting, that's what made Smite so interesting in Diablo 2, otherwise it's just kind of an underwhelming side move you can do.

Stygbalance: Make OP builds OP again

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Urthor]

It's such a weird balance decision since it's not like shotguns were really that great. Their AP was frankly too high compared to all the other hilarious options

 

[Tweed]

Shotguns seem to exist solely so Styg can nerf them into the ground and punish all the people who wanted them.

 

[Ent]

Has anyone been experimenting with Machete builds? I've maxed out the flurry specialty and now I'm wondering if I should dump the rest of them into onslaught or critical power.

 

[ItsChon]

http://underrail.info.tm/build/?FgYPBwMDBQYAAAB4eHh4RjIAAF9rAABBAAAAAF0AACQ5McKZwo4GwowSS1zCjQAT378 Saving for reference.

 

[hell bovine]

Shotguns seem to exist solely so Styg can nerf them into the ground and punish all the people who wanted them.

Shotguns not triggering ambush is not much of a nerf, because they are close range guns and not well suited for setting up ambushes. For optimal damage you want to be practically 'in your face', so that majoriy of pelets hit. On an unoptimized build I was getting hundreds of damage per shot, due to the stacking of damage per pellet (perfect scattering, sixth shell).

 

[Parabalus]

Has anyone been experimenting with Machete builds? I've maxed out the flurry specialty and now I'm wondering if I should dump the rest of them into onslaught or critical power.

If you're using the katana CP is somewhat better, otherwise onslaught.

I'd also take the flurry CD reduction, especially if you have TM.

http://underrail.info.tm/build/?FgYPBwMDBQYAAAB4eHh4RjIAAF9rAABBAAAAAF0AACQ5McKZwo4GwowSS1zCjQAT378 Saving for reference.

Some comments from a DOM run:

• Parry and Riposte are bad, especially if you don't plan on killing the pirate captain. They're quite cool, but are more of a for fun pick.
• If you don't have 7 STR (Decapitate) no reason to go to 6 instead of 5. (Opens up Uncanny)
• TM is especially OP good for machetes because of how flurry works
• Weaponsmith isn't too hot because of the katana

 

[Abu Antar]

Traps/mines are the bane of my existence. That is all.

 

[Riddler]

i just can't like this.
fourth time i force myself through this, i can suffer the interface, the horrible controls, the horrifying graphics, but not the feel of always, constantly being underleveled, pit against multiple large threats, forced to kite and exploit maps and pathfinding, moving one excruciatingly slow step after excruciatingly slow step in fear of bumping into a wandering mob who'll pull the whole train. never quickloaded so much. this is not fun.

What the hell are you talking about? I might only be some 10 hours into the game but so far I find the interface easy to understand and the general difficulty low (on normal).

As for the graphics I guess that is subjective but I don't think they are worse than for example f1-2.

The quicksaving/quickloading is a bit annoying though.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Parabalus]

So, I've heard that this game is a sort of a spiritual succesor to Fallout, and it seems the main gameplay is focused on combat and exploration. The thing is, the quests and their choices & consequences are the main reason why I loved the first Fallout games. Are there plenty amount of those in Underrail, or should I just play other games?

Other games, UR has C&C but it's secondary. Mostly you have multiple ways to solve stuff in a good way, and the "&C" is missing out on content because of a bad solution.

 

[ItsChon]

• If you don't have 7 STR (Decapitate) no reason to go to 6 instead of 5. (Opens up Uncanny)

• TM is especially OP good for machetes because of how flurry works

• Weaponsmith isn't too hot because of the katana

Thanks for the notes, though I kept 6 strength for the Tungsten machete. Is it not worth it?

 

[Parabalus]

• If you don't have 7 STR (Decapitate) no reason to go to 6 instead of 5. (Opens up Uncanny)

• TM is especially OP good for machetes because of how flurry works

• Weaponsmith isn't too hot because of the katana

Thanks for the notes, though I kept 6 strength for the Tungsten machete. Is it not worth it?

After getting the katana the only reason I used my Tungsten machete (I had 7 STR for Decapitate) was when I wanted electroshock.

To clarify, curved tungsten is the best crafted machete type, but the katana is better, and if you have 6 I'd get 7 for Decapitate which is very cool (though bad).

6 is kinda middle-of-the-road, the extremes are more exciting.

Note that if you actually use consumables there's not reason to think about >5 really, but taking that into account is too annoying for my taste.

 

[hell bovine]

So, I've heard that this game is a sort of a spiritual succesor to Fallout, and it seems the main gameplay is focused on combat and exploration. The thing is, the quests and their choices & consequences are the main reason why I loved the first Fallout games. Are there plenty amount of those in Underrail, or should I just play other games?

C&C not so much, though you do get the ending slides a la Fallaout, explaining what happened with the communities and towns that you've visited, depending on how you've resolved their quests.

I like UR for the exploration factor. But take it with a grain of salt, because I'm the sort of player who managed to miss the master when sneaking through the cathedral in FO. Snuck down all the way to basement and clicked on a random computer, which bleated some warning about a nuclear explosion, so my character run like hell. And then I've spent the rest of the game trying to find the mysterious mutant leader.

 

[Slimu]

Has anyone been experimenting with Machete builds? I've maxed out the flurry specialty and now I'm wondering if I should dump the rest of them into onslaught or critical power.

I'm currently doing a machete + dodge/evasion build and it's pretty fun. I rely on high crit chance (currently at 27) so critical power is a must. I'm only level 18, but I plan to maximize flurry so that I can have more chances to trigger a critical hit. I have onslaught, but I don't find it very useful. The katana you will find only after doing the expansion, but I'm running now with a crafted tungsten straight machete and it's very deadly. I don't have Weaponsmith yet, but with it, at level 26, I should have a crit chance of 36% without food.

Because of the way dodge/evasion works, using grenades & traps is a must to even chances when fighting against multiple opponents. I don't have any point in stealth because I get some bonus to it from the equipment.

 

[Ramnozack]

Onslaught for a crit focused machete build sounds terrible. If you doing it right shit should be dying in one-two hits, maybe a bit more. That doesn’t really give you time to build up those stacks, critical power boosts your crit bonus to ridiculous levels and specialization doubles its effects (unless some recent patch changed something) and is therefore much more synergistic with a crit build.

 

[oneself]

Tchort guide me.

 

[Slimu]

Onslaught for a crit focused machete build sounds terrible. If you doing it right shit should be dying in one-two hits, maybe a bit more. That doesn’t really give you time to build up those stacks, critical power boosts your crit bonus to ridiculous levels and specialization doubles its effects (unless some recent patch changed something) and is therefore much more synergistic with a crit build.

I agree with you. I just added it because it increases damage with swords and there aren't many to choose from for swords.

 

[Parabalus]

Onslaught for a crit focused machete build sounds terrible. If you doing it right shit should be dying in one-two hits, maybe a bit more. That doesn’t really give you time to build up those stacks, critical power boosts your crit bonus to ridiculous levels and specialization doubles its effects (unless some recent patch changed something) and is therefore much more synergistic with a crit build.

I agree with you. I just added it because it increases damage with swords and there aren't many to choose from for swords.

The two damage increases are multiplicative, ie. (base damage * onslaught) * crit mod.

This makes onslaught spec much better than you assume, CP spec is really only better with the katana.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Blaine]

Blaine what is highest mercantile check in expedition? Only interested in merchants. I understand its 105 in base game

I have no idea what the thresholds are. My build has 105 Mercantile only by coincidence; I didn't stop there because of any meta knowledge.

All I can tell you for certain is this: The Mercantile check to get the cheapest jet ski prices at Ray's is higher than 105, and I suspect a lot higher, maybe in the neighborhood of 140 +/- 10. However, 105 is enough to get the first discount, which is good enough for me and so probably good enough for just about anyone, since most people won't be buying his entire stock.

105 also seems to be high enough to get the full expanded inventories of Ladelman and Marcus, and also Ferryman's Oddities (though that may not be a Mercantile check at all, can't remember). If I'm missing some hidden inventory options with Ferryman and the mutie colony, I'm unaware of it. The pirates are my enemies in my current game.