Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Wunderbar]

tbh AR build isn't as fun as stealthy sniper/trapper.

 

[jackofshadows]

Ol' Willy Hard or DOM? Wanna play "brrrr" too some day, or maybe SMGs. I like DOM in terms of combat difficulty a lot already but it's so much hassle overall with its tight-ass economic that I'm not sure I could stand it few more playthroughs.

 

[Ol' Willy]

Hard or DOM? Wanna play "brrrr" too some day, or maybe SMGs. I like DOM in terms of combat difficulty a lot already but it's so much hassle overall with its tight-ass economic that I'm not sure I could stand it few more playthroughs.

Hard it is. I recon that playing at Dom requires a couple of successful playtroughs behind one's belt and good understanding of game's mechanics, and definitely not for the first timers, like me.

 

[Sheepherder]

Played a solo psi school char for a bit. I can say that PSI is fine after the patch. Even psychosis with its higher psi cost would still trivialize the game after getting mania at lvl 8, much as it did before. With 6 INT a character will have 5 slots available. Like, do you really need more slots to be effective in a combat encounter?
Although, I would like there to be an incentive for going single school. Maybe 5% psi cost reduction or a small damage bonus - something marginal.
I don't like the way how psi haste was nerfed. Right now, the debuff that comes after the effect ends is completely random and is in no way influenced by psi skill, feats of equipment.

Also, the zoom in feature is perfect. Love it.

 

[jackofshadows]

Hard it is. I recon that playing at Dom requires a couple of successful playtroughs behind one's belt and good understanding of game's mechanics, and definitely not for the first timers, like me.

Sure, just clarifying.

So, it took 2 molotov (1 outside, 1 very lucky one inside) and 4 bear traps to clear all the bugs but then I found Newton's body. I remember when I first entered the warehouse and killed one bug the others went other direction and apparantely killed that poor fucker. It was a while ago before all my lower passages walking and I'm not even sure I have the save. This is bullshit!

 

[Ol' Willy]

So, it took 2 molotov (1 outside, 1 very lucky one inside) and 4 bear traps to clear all the bugs but then I found Newton's body. I remember when I first entered the warehouse and killed one bug the others went other direction and apparantely killed that poor fucker. It was a while ago before all my lower passages walking and I'm not even sure I have the save. This is bullshit!

On hard there is five psi-bugs. The key is to separate them. First two could be fought near the entrance, using the venerated doorfighting in a room to the north. Third one is patrolling the area with boxes, goal is to kill him quick and avoid triggering the last two. Remaining two are fought with the use of breaking the line of sight, or, if you feel brave, by exploiting the explosive barrel.

 

[jackofshadows]

On hard there is five psi-bugs. The key is to separate them. First two could be fought near the entrance, using the venerated doorfighting in a room to the north. Third one is patrolling the area with boxes, goal is to kill him quick and avoid triggering the last two. Remaining two are fought with the use of breaking the line of sight, or, if you feel brave, by exploiting the explosive barrel.

When I recently (prev patch) cleared them as a PSI whore on hard it was a breeze, no tactics involved. Now, on DOM outside was 3 bugs, I waited untill 1 was far enough and throw molotov at the other two, finished them off and then the third one (shotgun extremely loud though so was no way to not aggro him as well). Inside was like 8-9 bugs but like I said, after I killed first one, I re-stealth and retreated. So when I get back they were all in the hallway near that barrel. I didn't even trigger it, just throw one lucky molotov to incinirate 4 I think and then it was hit and run, abuse line of sight etc, pretty fun actually. It's a shame that I got stuck, was very forward to continue. Now I'm not so sure about re-start :/

 

[Stavrophore]

So, it took 2 molotov (1 outside, 1 very lucky one inside) and 4 bear traps to clear all the bugs but then I found Newton's body. I remember when I first entered the warehouse and killed one bug the others went other direction and apparantely killed that poor fucker. It was a while ago before all my lower passages walking and I'm not even sure I have the save. This is bullshit!

On hard there is five psi-bugs. The key is to separate them. First two could be fought near the entrance, using the venerated doorfighting in a room to the north. Third one is patrolling the area with boxes, goal is to kill him quick and avoid triggering the last two. Remaining two are fought with the use of breaking the line of sight, or, if you feel brave, by exploiting the explosive barrel.

On DOM, you close the door, kill that one bug, then lay traps all around, open door in stealth, agro the bugs, and then as they are catched by traps, throw molotovs. Peek around corner and shoot them.

 

[Jezal_k23]

Has anyone ever played this game 100% without stealth? Stealth feels mandatory in this game, it must be incredibly crippling in several ways to play without it. How does it feel to miss out on so much stuff? Must suck.

 

[Stavrophore]

Has anyone ever played this game 100% without stealth? Stealth feels mandatory in this game, it must be incredibly crippling in several ways to play without it. How does it feel to miss out on so much stuff? Must suck.

You can play as terminator and kill everything. It's not like at the end of the game you need that core city alive.

 

[ciox]

It's perfectly fine if you have high constitution or wear crafted metal armor, don't even need both at the same time.

 

[ItsChon]

Has anyone ever played this game 100% without stealth? Stealth feels mandatory in this game, it must be incredibly crippling in several ways to play without it. How does it feel to miss out on so much stuff? Must suck.

Yeah, my Hoplite Spartan build. I did cheat a bit and invested into stealth gear and a few skill points so I could do the Rig quest without pissing off all the Black Eels, but other than that it was 100% without stealth, and it was totally fine.

 

[Wunderbar]

Has anyone ever played this game 100% without stealth? Stealth feels mandatory in this game, it must be incredibly crippling in several ways to play without it. How does it feel to miss out on so much stuff? Must suck.

i played it without stealth (on normal difficulty). It was alright, obviously i had to abuse supplementary items such as grenades and traps to get by.

though i've used a bit of stealth to steal batteries from Protectorate during Gorsky's quest (balaclava + tabi boots + cloaking device), and invested into stealth just a bit to get Snipe feat (but that was near the end of the game).

 

[Ol' Willy]

Killed the Rathound King, kek. Them traps really do magick. Guy has nice armour suit: finally, no need to fight worthless Rathounds (unless I need more Adrenaline Glands) and +1 to STR helps to carry some more loot. Local chief taught me a feat which is completely worthless to my build, kek.

Went on exploring to the West of GMS compound. All was well until I encountered a bunch of PSI bastards surrounded by cats - dafuq is this shit?

Then, went on exploring undertunnels, killed a shitload of lurkers, went North and then - Core city! Totally unexpected. Nice level design.

Though, I got to say: with my build Adrenaline shots became quite a necessary item. Every fucking faggot in this game lowers my AP - and with dumped AG and DEX, 95% armour penalty (got myself armour sloping feat, but still no good metal to craft a new set), and reliance on brrr I really need those AP. So, I either crippled - or dazed (Thick Skull works), can't burst, shoot some Adrenaline, brr one guy, get a free brr, kill one more - and so on. Good thing that Adrenaline Shots are easy to farm and craft.

 

[Wunderbar]

Killed the Rathound King, kek. Guy has nice armour suit: finally, no need to fight worthless Rathounds and +1 to STR helps to carry some more loot.

one molotov and you're dead.

 

[Ol' Willy]

one molotov and you're dead.

I'm not going to fight in it. Just using it in safe areas and for backtracking.

 

[Tigranes]

Has anyone ever played this game 100% without stealth? Stealth feels mandatory in this game, it must be incredibly crippling in several ways to play without it. How does it feel to miss out on so much stuff? Must suck.

It's liberating when you realise you don't have to inch and reload every single map for 40 minutes, and your build can actually just walk in to a lot of them (on Hard, anyway). I like stealth, but people tend to get really attached to certain 'must haves'.

 

[Slimu]

On my first normal playthrough I completed the game using swords and for defense focusing only on dodge + evasion (so no armor or stealth) and a bit of traps at the beginning.

 

[Xeon]

Anyone manged to do the Beast fight on dominating with the new changes to Psi? That fight was probably the hardest fight for me pure Psi so I am kinda wondering how hard it got after the nerfs. Is it much harder or still manageable even if you are kinda scuffed.

Kinda wish they also do a patch where hurting allies during a fight accidentally doesn't instantly aggro them unless it happens again, I had to reload a lot because I miss threw a grenade or lighting Psi attack and ended up hitting an ally and aggroing them as well during the fight.

I saw someone mention its been 4-5 years for the game and they now making drastic changes to Psi, I kinda agree that's kinda weird, would have thought things like that would fit a sequel or something.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

I never touched stealth until the expansion and only because of the annoying AF hives. Even then I didn't have to put a single point in it, just min/max via crafting and cloaking field.

On normal anyway stealth feels like a total waste of points.

 

[Ol' Willy]

People do play Underrail on Normal?

 

[Alexios]

This makes me wonder if I've put too much into stealth on my current character, a shotgunner. I only really use it to sneak up on groups of enemies and blast them with a 20p shell. Given that I'm playing on Classic mode I fight essentially everyone I come across. Perhaps stealth is more useful in Oddity when it's often not in your interests to take on enemies?

 

[Xeon]

I don't remember the exact amount but I think I invest decent points to stealth to avoid the invisible spiders and other enemies from seeing me before I see them just so they don't ambush me. I think the only down side to stealth is if you leave an area while enemies are still actively hostile, you are instantly revealed if you come back later iirc.

 

[Stavrophore]

On dominating you need something like 200 effective stealth to safely come upon enemies. I might be wrong and 150 is enough, but spiders have very high detection rate. Anything above that is a waste. Always have a set of special stealth gear for sneaking through enemies.
I wouldn't bother to outstealth/outdetect crawlers on dominating. Its futile.

 

[Tygrende]

I wouldn't bother to outstealth/outdetect crawlers on dominating. Its futile.

It's doable.
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