Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Horvatii]

So how much HP does force field now have?

 

[jackofshadows]

It probably scales with skill. I have 40 now since playing as hybrid so it usually couldn't stop mobs even for 1 turn i.e. basically useless. But on max? Who knows.

 

[Sheepherder]

Dodge/evasion on Dominating:

Imagine a smelly, dark bathroom in an army base, full of soldiers, covered in glitter, scared shitless after an autistic screech.
In the corner cubicle, dancing on the rims of a toilet is a skinny dude clad in skin-tight leather. The walls behind him are covered in bullet holes.
The soldiers are unloading burst after burst into the skinny dude and the guy is evading all of it while ripping their friends apart with fucky time magic.

 

[Sykar]

Computer in the rightmost corner, if I recall correctly, Level 3 access allows you to disable turrets.

Yeah, you're correct. Now I remember: I did that before but this time check was too high even I pumped hacking every time untill that point.

Hacking 60 is required iirc.

Lunatic Psychopaths are just too much bullshit. On first turn they cast Mental Breakdown which is not mitigated by Thick Skull, then they cast two doppelgangers and then fight is finished. 500 HP go away like fart in the wind.

Cool, no way to protect yourself without Will, no way to damage Doppelgangers without Neural Overload, even Morphine Shot is kinda useless, it works for three turns and Doppelgangers stay for five. So it is kill the bastard in the first turn, or reload.

Dominating is a pretty shitty stat bloat difficulty to satisfy power gaming munchkins who abuse any exploit and weakness to the max. You are essentially required to have indepth metagaming knowledge to beat it or enjoy reloading. A lot. Pity that Styg went the laziest way to increase difficulty which also breaks in part at least suspension of disblelief. It is why 70 effective persuasion is a must for me because fuck the tunnels to the harbour warehouse.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

I don't see that many plasma turrets on fucking hard difficulty in Junkyard. Not that I remember.

 

[jackofshadows]

It is why 70 effective persuasion is a must for me because fuck the tunnels to the harbour warehouse.

Huh? Why do you care? It's not part of the main plot quest line, right?

Dominating is a pretty shitty stat bloat difficulty to satisfy power gaming munchkins who abuse any exploit and weakness to the max. You are essentially required to have indepth metagaming knowledge to beat it or enjoy reloading. A lot. Pity that Styg went the laziest way to increase difficulty which also breaks in part at least suspension of disblelief. It is why 70 effective persuasion is a must for me because fuck the tunnels to the harbour warehouse.

Well said. However, even with my level of game's knowledge (1 playthrough on release + 70% on hard recently + some wiki meta from now on) playing on hard and lower is a walk fest. You're just walk around and kill stuff. Exciting only for the 1-2 time. Playing on DOMMYASSTING OTOH is a whole another story and I'm enjoying it so far a lot.

 

[Sykar]

It is why 70 effective persuasion is a must for me because fuck the tunnels to the harbour warehouse.

Huh? Why do you care? It's not part of the main plot quest line, right?

Dominating is a pretty shitty stat bloat difficulty to satisfy power gaming munchkins who abuse any exploit and weakness to the max. You are essentially required to have indepth metagaming knowledge to beat it or enjoy reloading. A lot. Pity that Styg went the laziest way to increase difficulty which also breaks in part at least suspension of disblelief. It is why 70 effective persuasion is a must for me because fuck the tunnels to the harbour warehouse.

Well said. However, even with my level of game's knowledge (1 playthrough on release + 70% on hard recently + some wiki meta from now on) playing on hard and lower is a walk fest. You're just walk around and kill stuff. Exciting only for the 1-2 time. Playing on DOMMYASSTING OTOH is a whole another story and I'm enjoying it so far a lot.

I am an OCD quest solver retard and need to manage as close to 100% completion rate as possible. No quest left behind!

As to Dominating, my main issue that it breaks believably and enemy progression. It also treats opponents special and gives you an artificial disadvantage like lower health gain from stims.

 

[Ol' Willy]

gives you an artificial disadvantage like lower health gain from stims.

That's true even on hard, I have advanced stimpacks +75, enemies heal +150 regularly.

 

[Ol' Willy]

Anyway, along the way got myself mixed up in the Dude's quest. Damn man, this shit is awesome, especially the writing, it gave me some good Planescape vibes, no joke. Underrail has surprisingly good and solid writing, especially for a such combat-heavy game.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[jackofshadows]

Is there any good builds summary (preferably sheet wise with difficulty axis)?

 

[Kalin]

cave wizards powers are bs but then they are squishy so its easy to take them down quickly. Now if there were some juggernaut cave wizards in this game...

Protectorate Dreadnought Psyker would be pretty swell.

 

[Wunderbar]

cave wizards powers are bs but then they are squishy so its easy to take them down quickly. Now if there were some juggernaut cave wizards in this game...

Protectorate Dreadnought Psyker would be pretty swell.

Styg add them to DC.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Wunderbar]

cave wizards powers are bs but then they are squishy so its easy to take them down quickly. Now if there were some juggernaut cave wizards in this game...

Protectorate Dreadnought Psyker would be pretty swell.

Styg add them to DC.

yeah, punish people coming to DC without 400 sneak!

what sneak? they should be true-seeing for maximum butthurt.

 

[jackofshadows]

I am an OCD quest solver retard and need to manage as close to 100% completion rate as possible. No quest left behind!

You can always wipe warehouse out then. I mean, 70 skillpoints... Although last time I did that, Protectorate didn't aggro in Junktown or their main base but their water outposts did aggro! How is that possible I just don't know.

 

[ghostdog]

I am an OCD quest solver retard and need to manage as close to 100% completion rate as possible. No quest left behind!

You can always wipe warehouse out then. I mean, 70 skillpoints... Although last time I did that, Protectorate didn't aggro in Junktown or their main base but their water outposts did aggro! How is that possible I just don't know.

In my last playthrough a month ago, when I wiped-out the protectorate warehouse, any protectorate soldier on the docks would insta-attack me, making core-city immediately hostile.

 

[Sheepherder]

Is there any good builds summary (preferably sheet wise with difficulty axis)?

That'd be hard to do. It wouldn't be a build difficulty scale, instead would be a weapon type/psi type difficulty scale.
Plus, we'd have to factor in what means of defense a build would use. Whether passive defense (armor or dodge/evasion) will be used or if the player is skilled enough to use active means of defense, allowing them to pull off the "just don't get hit bro" playstyle and focus their build on offense.
Player skill is actually important, as well as metagaming knowledge.
At what point of the game would the difficulty be measured? Early/mid/late game? Some build types have difficulties at certain stages of the game.
Etc. etc.

But in general: Burst guns > other guns. Psi > no psi. Throwing (be it for damage or disables) > no throwing

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Sheepherder]

Yup and for max dex builds they can be used to generate AP with fatal throw.

 

[jackofshadows]

Kek. Gonna test it ofc but honestly, it looks like shit now.

Also, seeing burrower fucking warrior here was terrifying. When I played first time on normal they were only in DC ^^

That'd be hard to do. It wouldn't be a build difficulty scale, instead would be a weapon type/psi type difficulty scale.

Sure, I just thought maybe someone has attempted to do it already (even if outdated would be curious to look at).

Edit - dialogue with Tanner is still bugged, holy hell (when you telling him about faceless reason if you've learned it from buzzer right away, you won't get 500 credits). No big deal ofc but it's kinda annoying and unfair to the new players.

 

[Ol' Willy]

In my last playthrough a month ago, when I wiped-out the protectorate warehouse, any protectorate soldier on the docks would insta-attack me, making core-city immediately hostile.

Oh-oh, I tried to infiltrate the warehouse the Hitman way, but it's just too tedious, they spot you easily and I was tired to reload. Wasting them all is easier, which I proceeded to do. I'm still inside, though.

Maybe you accidentally hit some bystanders with bursts or AoE outside?

 

[ghostdog]

In my last playthrough a month ago, when I wiped-out the protectorate warehouse, any protectorate soldier on the docks would insta-attack me, making core-city immediately hostile.

Oh-oh, I tried to infiltrate the warehouse the Hitman way, but it's just too tedious, they spot you easily and I was tired to reload. Wasting them all is easier, which I proceeded to do. I'm still inside, though.

Maybe you accidentally hit some bystanders with bursts or AoE outside?

Nah, I tested it. I even tried to leave with a jetski and it was the same. Maybe if you can sneak by the soldiers in the docks (and don't come there again) you'll be OK, but it's a tough call. Be sure to have an earlier save.

 

[jackofshadows]

So, what's considered patrician choice fractions wise? I really dig JKK's armor but not sure that's the best option overall.