Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Parabalus]

Can you get anything out of Katya's frozen son?

It seems to brick her, or cause her to go hostile if done before talking to her.

 

[CHEMS]

She keeps mumbling after that, don't know if permanently blocks her inventory. i'd rather not mess with it.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Parabalus]

huh? what about her son? you mean dude with a pick? what can be done?

No, in the waterfall next to her house, area found with 7 WILL (or PER, dunno about the number) with Juice.

 

[Trashos]

When I save the guys on the 3rd level of GMS and tell Gorsky, he answers "Well done" or sth. But he used to say "I am out of medals to give you" sarcastically. Has this dialogue been really changed or did I use a different conversation option?

They changed it. I remember that too.

WTF, that was a memorable line, and gave Gorsky a lot of character.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Parabalus]

huh? what about her son? you mean dude with a pick? what can be done?

No, in the waterfall next to her house, area found with 7 WILL (or PER, dunno about the number) with Juice.

alright then, you cave wizards people and perceptive ones can keep their secrets

Everyone can find this now (and interact with the monoliths) due to All-In + Noble giving 7 WILL.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Parabalus]

huh? what about her son? you mean dude with a pick? what can be done?

No, in the waterfall next to her house, area found with 7 WILL (or PER, dunno about the number) with Juice.

alright then, you cave wizards people and perceptive ones can keep their secrets

Everyone can find this now (and interact with the monoliths) due to All-In + Noble giving 7 WILL.

all-in is random

Do you mean drag'n'drop not spawning at all?

Otherwise psure you have to get some with either the barwoman, safe or pickpocket.

These random abominations need to be removed, they're utterly retarded.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Ol' Willy]

with oddity, you can enter depot a at lvls 9-10, it varies based on how lucky are you with monsters oddities. You will leave it at 11. Those are numbers for hobos doing dumpster diving.

Tested, yep, entered at level 10, was done with level 11. Got pretty much every oddity I could except for Burrower Warrior one. No pickpocket.

 

[Ol' Willy]

Still possible in current patch, just not with chem pistols. Styg is on a fools errand to prevent people from killing his OC.

Six is supposed to be unkillable yet there is a dead Six sprite. Why, though?

 

[CHEMS]

huh? what about her son? you mean dude with a pick? what can be done?

No, in the waterfall next to her house, area found with 7 WILL (or PER, dunno about the number) with Juice.

alright then, you cave wizards people and perceptive ones can keep their secrets

Everyone can find this now (and interact with the monoliths) due to All-In + Noble giving 7 WILL.

all-in is random

Do you mean drag'n'drop not spawning at all?

Otherwise psure you have to get some with either the barwoman, safe or pickpocket.

These random abominations need to be removed, they're utterly retarded.

I got yet another run where it didn't spawned. I'm getting really pissed at this. NPCs in the waterways will always mention Drag and Drop, so why the fuck make it random?

 

[Yaz]

Maybe there is some other variable with the Drag'n'Drop.

I also didn't spawn one the last time I was running the Expedition but it doesn't bother me that much.

 

[Parabalus]

Maybe there is some other variable with the Drag'n'Drop.

I also didn't spawn one the last time I was running the Expedition but it doesn't bother me that much.

It wouldn't bother me either if All-In were removed, the rest aren't as egregious.

huh? what about her son? you mean dude with a pick? what can be done?

No, in the waterfall next to her house, area found with 7 WILL (or PER, dunno about the number) with Juice.

alright then, you cave wizards people and perceptive ones can keep their secrets

Everyone can find this now (and interact with the monoliths) due to All-In + Noble giving 7 WILL.

all-in is random

Do you mean drag'n'drop not spawning at all?

Otherwise psure you have to get some with either the barwoman, safe or pickpocket.

These random abominations need to be removed, they're utterly retarded.

I got yet another run where it didn't spawned. I'm getting really pissed at this. NPCs in the waterways will always mention Drag and Drop, so why the fuck make it random?

Rust-maker is also pretty bad, I'd like to play with the weapons but they didn't spawn.

Dunno who thought these random dungeons having actually important stuff was a good idea.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Yaz]

It wouldn't bother me either if All-In were removed, the rest aren't as egregious.

I think it's about adapting to what you have available. All-Ins not being there doesn't mean that you won't be able to complete stat checks. A 3 Agi character can still climb in the pipe at Port Crag for example. While All-Ins would make that easier, it's not the only way.

 

[Parabalus]

It wouldn't bother me either if All-In were removed, the rest aren't as egregious.

I think it's about adapting to what you have available. All-Ins not being there doesn't mean that you won't be able to complete stat checks. A 3 Agi character can still climb in the pipe at Port Crag for example. While All-Ins would make that easier, it's not the only way.

It's just INT and WILL which have no alternatives and gatekeep lore and skill points.

AGI is mostly good for skipping boring content and has a lot more options (cave hopper, supersoldier, white dude), similarly to PER, you can make them without All-In, if you really want to.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Parabalus]

It wouldn't bother me either if All-In were removed, the rest aren't as egregious.

I think it's about adapting to what you have available. All-Ins not being there doesn't mean that you won't be able to complete stat checks. A 3 Agi character can still climb in the pipe at Port Crag for example. While All-Ins would make that easier, it's not the only way.

It's just INT and WILL which have no alternatives and gatekeep lore and skill points.

AGI is mostly good for skipping boring content and has a lot more options (cave hopper, supersoldier, white dude), similarly to PER, you can make them without All-In, if you really want to.

oh and btw, all-in isnt ensured even if bar does spawn for you. Everything on the menu appears to be randomised, for example i just loaded my save with that bar present and its not there

The patrons are random and respawn like merchants, they can be pickpocketed for All-In. Random, but you'll prob get some.

I think there is some guaranteed in the safe though. There isn't.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Parabalus]

It wouldn't bother me either if All-In were removed, the rest aren't as egregious.

I think it's about adapting to what you have available. All-Ins not being there doesn't mean that you won't be able to complete stat checks. A 3 Agi character can still climb in the pipe at Port Crag for example. While All-Ins would make that easier, it's not the only way.

It's just INT and WILL which have no alternatives and gatekeep lore and skill points.

AGI is mostly good for skipping boring content and has a lot more options (cave hopper, supersoldier, white dude), similarly to PER, you can make them without All-In, if you really want to.

oh and btw, all-in isnt ensured even if bar does spawn for you. Everything on the menu appears to be randomised, for example i just loaded my save with that bar present and its not there

The patrons are random and respawn like merchants, they can be pickpocketed for All-In. Random, but you'll prob get some.

I think there is some guaranteed in the safe though. There isn't.

no one got one right now... great... another reason to restock/cheat engine.

this game needs determinism badly

Reloading the previous area autosave sometimes made the patrons different, like merchant stocks, but I'm not too sure of the mechanics.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Yaz]

this game needs determinism badly

But that would eliminate the choice and consequence, no?

 

[Parabalus]

this game needs determinism badly

But that would eliminate the choice and consequence, no?

Where's the first C in Drag'N'Drop or the Jet Eater not spawning?

Not using a save game analyzer after starting the game?