Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[CHEMS]

Well, fully specced disassemble is really powerful. Fix weapons without kits, changing components on the go, not to mention the money you make doing it with any loot you come across. Wouldn't take it to dominating though.

Most dominating builds require min maxing, taking disassemble would get in the way. It is really powerful, not so on dominating.

 

[jackofshadows]

See it as any other QoL feat except for 5 spec points which can be borrowed from critical power for example. No big deal.

 

[Sykar]

See it as any other QoL feat except for 5 spec points which can be borrowed from critical power for example. No big deal.

Yes that is what it is. It is not powerful just makes the game more convenient though considerably so.

 

[Ol' Willy]

Most dominating builds require min maxing, taking disassemble would get in the way. It is really powerful, not so on dominating.

Had it on my laser build, great fun.

Also, had it on my second tank build (getting fully specced disassemble was one of the main goals of that build); though I didn't finish that run due to dead HDD.

 

[Ol' Willy]

I would say, if you play AR/SMG/Shotgun build, full-specced Disassemble is a must; doubly so if you play on Classic (it comes earlier, with Oddity you'd have to suffer with repair kits for much longer) and if you rely on non-crit damage (non-crit AR build on DOM runs out of durability faster than it runs out of ammo). I never was a fun of durability systems in any games, so the way to circumvent it in Underrail is much welcomed

 

[jackofshadows]

By the way, it's still possible to get metal plates out of metal armor so abusers still might save lots of space. And metal boots cannot be disassebled at all, kinda weird.

 

[lukaszek]

disassemble supersteel from charons

 

[Blaine]

People have been asking for wizard nerfs since release, probably even earlier as well.

"People" have also been asking for an automap since release, but they were wrong to ask, Styg was misguided to waste man-hours on it, and its implementation was pure decline, regardless of how fancy it looks or how nifty it is on a technical level. Nor was the automap needed for Expedition—on the contrary, a visual map only serves to emphasize what a small puddle the place really is once you've explored the extent of it. The map can be ignored, but sadly, few have the willpower or motivation to do so.

Even if the opinions of wrongheaded idiots carried any weight at all, the overwhelming majority reaction to the psi nerf has been negative, as you are well aware; and Temporal Manipulation, as you are also well aware, has by itself allowed for builds that are far more powerful than pure psi ever used to be. In a greater sense, relentless "balancing" of RPG mechanics systems in a vain quest for total build parity never creates more fun, but only saps it away; furthermore, the options for super-overpowered builds are only ever narrowed. They cannot be eliminated entirely, except in a Sawyerist system that isn't any fun at all no matter what you try.

 

[Blaine]

Imagine my surprise that normie disagrees.

You're the clearest case I've ever seen of someone who needs to go back to 4chan. Although you've shown a glimmer of insight by realizing that far better discussions are to be had on the Codex, as well as good taste in enjoying Underrail, you're still one of them in most respects—an unassimilated immigrant. You want your electric toaster and your iPhone, but you also yearn for Sharia law and a caliphate. The Codex has been filling up with too many yous of late.

Ah, well. The decline of the Codex itself has been inevitable since long before dozens and dozens of "X is now playing Fallout 4" statuses appeared in the official Codex Steam group a few years ago. There's no getting away from entropy, not even in pure escapism.

 

[Twiglard]

You're the clearest case I've ever seen of someone who needs to go back to 4chan. Although you've shown a glimmer of insight by realizing that /v/ and /vg/ are filled with the lowest common denominator, and good taste in enjoying Underrail, you're still one of them in most respects—an unassimilated immigrant. You want your electric toaster and your iPhone, but you also yearn for Sharia law and a caliphate. The Codex has been filling up with too many yous of late.

Give him a break. His aptitude of the English language is laudable. He's an inspiration to us all.

 

[jackofshadows]

"People" have also been asking for an automap since release, but they were wrong to ask, Styg was misguided to waste man-hours on it, and its implementation was pure decline, regardless of how fancy it looks or how nifty it is on a technical level. Nor was the automap needed for Expedition—on the contrary, a visual map only serves to emphasize what a small puddle the place really is once you've explored the extent of it. The map can be ignored, but sadly, few have the willpower or motivation to do so.

I don't think that adding map was necessary, but people got what they wanted and I'm glad for them. Ideally, something like a big check whether or not to play with auto-map at the start next to choosing xp system would be great. After all, the game still has all the direction descriptions and Expedition has its own coordinat system no less. Ironman mode would be welcomed as well.

Even if the opinions of wrongheaded idiots carried any weight at all, the overwhelming majority reaction to the psi nerf has been negative

Eh, the good part hell if not majority of those negative reactions were due to simple fact of drastic changes to the single player game so much time sinse release which is undestandable. Not to mention many cave wizards psi-enthusiasts are simply biased and cannot/don't want to see the positive effect of the nerf (much more diversity to psi-related builds for one). As for TM, it's busted yeah and should be nerfed :D like 5 fewer AP from contraction and creating a workaround for AI regarding stasis.

 

[Sykar]

"People" have also been asking for an automap since release, but they were wrong to ask, Styg was misguided to waste man-hours on it, and its implementation was pure decline, regardless of how fancy it looks or how nifty it is on a technical level. Nor was the automap needed for Expedition—on the contrary, a visual map only serves to emphasize what a small puddle the place really is once you've explored the extent of it. The map can be ignored, but sadly, few have the willpower or motivation to do so.

I don't think that adding map was necessary, but people got what they wanted and I'm glad for them. Ideally, something like a big check whether or not to play with auto-map at the start next to choosing xp system would be great. After all, the game still has all the direction descriptions and Expedition has its own coordinat system no less. Ironman mode would be welcomed as well.

Even if the opinions of wrongheaded idiots carried any weight at all, the overwhelming majority reaction to the psi nerf has been negative

Eh, the good part hell if not majority of those negative reactions were due to simple fact of drastic changes to the single player game so much time sinse release which is undestandable. Not to mention many cave wizards psi-enthusiasts are simply biased and cannot/don't want to see the positive effect of the nerf (much more diversity to psi-related builds for one). As for TM, it's busted yeah and should be nerfed :D like 5 fewer AP from contraction and creating a workaround for AI regarding stasis.

Illusion of diversity. The reality is that everything the current "restricted" builds can do the old PSI build could to, too. PSI has now a very shallow learning curve where you are usually just take around 1-2 schools and run with the same load out and whatever you lack you can make up for with throwing for example and what do you get in return for the new vancian system? All niche psi abilities are now useless since the opportunity cost is too high and a mind boggeling amount of needless tedium. /yawn
The fun of old PSI that I had actual flexibility in combat. The nerf to Berserk for example was all that was needed. That and nerfing PSI boosters. Meanwhile ARs are as powerful as ever, more powerful than PSI with less tedium, and no nerf in sight.

 

[the mole]

should spells work on an accuracy system instead

what is the solution

 

[jackofshadows]

PSI has now a very shallow learning curve where you are usually just take around 1-2 schools and run with the same load out and whatever you lack you can make up for with throwing for example

Like many other builds. It's fair.

The fun of old PSI that I had actual flexibility in combat. The nerf to Berserk for example was all that was needed. That and nerfing PSI boosters. Meanwhile ARs are as powerful as ever, more powerful than PSI with less tedium, and no nerf in sight.

Too much flexibility. As for ARs - yeah they're powerful yet at the same time AR build is one trick pony ergo

in a sense even compared to castrated psi builds.

 

[Parabalus]

"People" have also been asking for an automap since release

Comparing nerfs to widely recognized OP mechanics (making the game harder) to a QoL feature (making the game easier) makes no sense at all.

the overwhelming majority reaction to the psi nerf has been negative,

Because of the added busywork, not the loss of power.

Again, even if you consider that the nerf was done badly, or that the current result is worse, doesn't mean that PSI shouldn't have been reworked.

super-overpowered builds are only ever narrowed

PSI didn't even have builds before, because there were no tradeoffs necessary.

Meanwhile ARs are as powerful as ever, more powerful than PSI with less tedium, and no nerf in sight.

It's not really about the total power level - wizards just didn't play by the rules everyone else did.
There were no long-term resource drains and you always had the entire arsenal at your fingertips. Along with only one important attribute, so it was entirely braindead.

 

[CHEMS]

Psi builds were broke as fuck before the update. They had NO drawbacks at all and plenty of tools in their arsenal for everything the game could throw then. Their resources literally grew on the floor, since you only needed boosters to gain back your PSI. Cheap and easy to make at early game, plenty to loot during mid and late game. No wonder people got so butthurt when styg nerfed psy.

 

[Tigranes]

The correct criticism of psi change is that it adds meaningless busywork to a game that already has quite a lot of meaningless busywork - and where some of that busywork can have benefits, this one not so much.

Doesn't make much sense to harp on about flexibility or power levels, because psi remains extremely powerful & flexible either way.

 

[the mole]

just make psi capable of missing

problem?

 

[Wunderbar]

 

[Ghulgothas]

 

[CHEMS]

Why did they had to make this encounter so rare and random? I really wish to experiment with a suicide bomber build but i only got this shit once. I'd take forever to finally get it again.

 

[Fluent]

truth be told, I'm kind of avoiding this thread for possible spoilers, lol. but i am still playing. if any of u want to see my latest run thru the GMS station, it's in my Let's Play thread over in the playground. warning! i play poorly, lol. but i'm still getting the hang of like, dealing with security bots and using my new psi powers of BOOOOOO YER SCAREDDD.. Having lots of fun, though! cheers fellas, i'll return at a later date. <3

 

[CHEMS]

truth be told, I'm kind of avoiding this thread for possible spoilers, lol. but i am still playing. if any of u want to see my latest run thru the GMS station, it's in my Let's Play thread over in the playground. warning! i play poorly, lol. but i'm still getting the hang of like, dealing with security bots and using my new psi powers of BOOOOOO YER SCAREDDD.. Having lots of fun, though! cheers fellas, i'll return at a later date. <3

Good luck man. Truth be told, early game is kinda of a drag. It really starts after Depot A, GMS kinda suck with psi but it gets better after it

 

[Fedora Master]

I dont quite understand how quality in crafting works.

I've got ~130 mechanics, its a 117 quality shotgun frame yet the damage is ass compared to stuff I can buy.

 

[Parabalus]

I dont quite understand how quality in crafting works.
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I've got ~130 mechanics, its a 117 quality shotgun frame yet the damage is ass compared to stuff I can buy.

Tyranny model has lower damage spread, and you have a long barrel.