World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Roguey]

I dont really know what it is/not cannon anymore but the retcon was just assuming that all this weird events are not omens of the Gehenna but the Gehenna itself, and that the antedilivuan and elders are (probably) waging war in the middle east.

Then again, i have no real clue.

The Withering was from god himself, so it's no longer something that existed. The new deal is that Gehenna is a cyclical event where old vampires wake up because they're hungry, call for and eat powerful vampires because they're the only thing that will slake their thirst, then go back to bed. Nothing world-ending.

 

[Goral]

1 - Vanilla Bloodlines didn't have histories, patches added them and mods restored them.

Technically it did have it, it was just set to 0, Wesp's patch just unblocked it. These histories were created by Troika devs not modders.

 

[Dexter]

I don't even remember what got this conversation started in the first place ... oh yeah, it was when others characterized Ellison as a "campaigner" for banning and censorship. I think you and I at least agree that's not the case. Anyway it's perfectly valid to feel that you might not like the game since the point of view of the writer is not one you care to read about. So ... sorry I guess. Hope you can find some games out there by writers you like.

She knew exactly what she was doing (they all do), which is write a shitty clickbait attack article against a video game trying to proselytize with a political goal in mind: https://archive.fo/vVQ7X

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It’s a place where I feel welcome, a quiet place where my friends and colleagues chat smiling in low voices, but now a sense of alienation is creeping over me.

I feel resentment. This is what those hordes of gamers who constantly hound the academic Anita Sarkeesian, creator of Tropes vs Women in Video Games barrage her mailbox with. Whelps of wretched stomach lining. This is how they feel when someone points out that games are sexist. ‘This is it,’ I think. ‘I am feeling betrayal. I feel betrayed by something I love. I feel betrayed.’

Stay with me while I dissect these feelings, feelings I do not want: I certainly want someone to blame for this betrayal, because it hurts that something I enjoy so much would be this problematic, so upsetting.

Why do you feel ugly now, for playing a game where your character rapes a woman?

It has made my safe space – where I am a powerful thug who isn’t accountable to anyone – no longer safe. I have been forced to identify with the one person the game has given no agency. My agency has been removed not only from Pig Butcher, but agency was never given to the woman I now identify with – not even AI.

The sexual violence at the end of that tutorial will single out a fifth of the female audience who have experienced sexual violence. I’m thinking about them when I turn back to the game.

This is not the language and rhetoric of someone that honestly objects to a certain scene in a movie or game and is trying to provide "honest criticism". This is deliberate moral panic posturing, moral indictment of someone pretending they have been "wronged" and "victimized" by a video game they chose to play, implying that some sort of personal or societal "harm" is being actively done and sermonizing about it. It's the sort of thing that "BADD" did with D&D, it's the sort of thing that Tipper Gore did with the "PMRC" in the 80s. It's the same kind of rhetoric that the authorities in Australia used to then deny the game classification, and it's the rhetoric left-wing activists have used to get Target and other stores to also remove GTA V from their shelves in Australia: https://www.change.org/p/target-wit...yers-to-commit-sexual-violence-and-kill-women

I don't believe a gaming magazine should be the place to ever try to start such a witch-hunt against a game or its developers and try to indict them for what they regard as a "moral failing" on their part and no publication did this before ~2007. They fail in their purpose if they abuse their platform to go after content they deem morally "objectionable", "problematic" or "harmful" (or pretend to) and try to get it banned or changed and do everyone a disservice, and if the best way to get clicks is doing what Fox News used to do a decade or so ago. Nor do I believe that she honestly got "triggered in her Safe Space" by this absolutely horrifying scene or that this was anything other than a manipulative hitpiece attempt against what she considered an easy target that will get her some clicks, recognition and "good girl" points from her peers:


It only got more disgusting after her buddy Nathan Grayson piled on and started basically interrogating the developer in an interview right after: https://archive.fo/IfdyB

 

[hivemind]

tldr

get over yourself loser

nobody really cares about this "drama"

talk about vampire

or fuck off

nerd

 

[Delterius]

1 - Vanilla Bloodlines didn't have histories, patches added them and mods restored them.

Technically it did have it, it was just set to 0, Wesp's patch just unblocked it. These histories were created by Troika devs not modders.

Wrong in all accounts. Histories were just as absent from Vanilla Bloodlines as the hidden maps restored by Wesp, or the entire ending section that was added latter. Some early mods did restore the Troika made histories. Wesp didn't do just that, he rebalanced them around --- as the histories weren't a finished feature at all.

 

[Goral]

1 - Vanilla Bloodlines didn't have histories, patches added them and mods restored them.

Technically it did have it, it was just set to 0, Wesp's patch just unblocked it. These histories were created by Troika devs not modders.

Wrong in all accounts. Histories were just as absent from Vanilla Bloodlines as the hidden maps restored by Wesp, or the entire ending section that was added latter. Some early mods did restore the Troika made histories. Wesp didn't do just that, he rebalanced them around --- as the histories weren't a finished feature at all.

Wesp5
Care to comment on this?

 

[Prime Junta]

Only if you ignore all the characters who say "It's literally Caine."

The Cainedidit explanation requires you to ignore WW's explicit denial of it. (I do agree that it's pretty clear that it's what Brian & co had in mind, right down to the names of the audio files.)

If you do accept both VtM:B and WW as canon, you'll have to come up with something much more convoluted. I find that an amusing pastime.

 

[Delterius]

Only if you ignore all the characters who say "It's literally Caine."

The Cainedidit explanation requires you to ignore WW's explicit denial of it. (I do agree that it's pretty clear that it's what Brian & co had in mind, right down to the names of the audio files.)

If you do accept both VtM:B and WW as canon, you'll have to come up with something much more convoluted. I find that an amusing pastime.

Oh yeah, but WW already did that: Tim Caine is actually a malkavian who thinks he's Caine.

Amazing innit.

 

[hivemind]

I thought it was meant to be straight up malkav?

 

[hivemind]

btw the lolsorandom elements of bloodlines malkavian dialogue were the most retarded and cringeworthy while the prophetic foreshadowing and random whispers were the best part

I hope they drop the former and expand on the latter

fuck fishmalk posters

 

[Raghar]

Only if you ignore all the characters who say "It's literally Caine."

The Cainedidit explanation requires you to ignore WW's explicit denial of it. (I do agree that it's pretty clear that it's what Brian & co had in mind, right down to the names of the audio files.)

If you do accept both VtM:B and WW as canon, you'll have to come up with something much more convoluted. I find that an amusing pastime.

Oh yeah, but WW already did that: Tim Caine is actually a malkavian who thinks he's Caine.

Have they said which generation is he? 4th or 6th could create such uneasines aura in the vicinity.

 

[undecaf]

Can't wait to fight the patriarchy with my powerful night creature, because within the Masquerade, with such political tensions in the underground world... My first concern as a vampire is to be sure that faggots in Islam aren't stoned anymore.

Is that.... real?

 

[Roguey]

Oh yeah, but WW already did that: Tim Caine is actually a malkavian who thinks he's Caine.

Amazing innit.

Yeah, White Wolf's idea about Caine is that he's a loser who's too sad to do anything about anyone, not someone who enacts weird convoluted plans. They could have told Troika in advance but didn't.

 

[index.php]

tldr

get over yourself loser

nobody really cares about this "drama"

talk about vampire

or fuck off

nerd

Drama is the lifeblood of the Codex. Eat shit, snowflake.

 

[Life of the Party]

But the best part of the demo was your landlord coward vampire.

This guy?

 

[Delterius]

But the best part of the demo was your landlord coward vampire.

This guy?

No, thats a court scene. The neet vampire is the guy with the 'fro.

 

[PrettyDeadman]

Can't wait to fight the patriarchy with my powerful night creature, because within the Masquerade, with such political tensions in the underground world... My first concern as a vampire is to be sure that faggots in Islam aren't stoned anymore.

Is that.... real?

Not only it is real, but you are also either ignorant or terrible person if you think Rudi is a poorly written character:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhiteWolfR...ite/e9hlvya?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

 

[Zer0wing]

"If one drop of sperm contains indefinitely more life essence than blood, why wouldn't vampires suck dicks instead, both male and female?" - VtM 5E leveling up in a nutshell.

 

[thesheeep]

Can't wait to fight the patriarchy with my powerful night creature, because within the Masquerade, with such political tensions in the underground world... My first concern as a vampire is to be sure that faggots in Islam aren't stoned anymore.

Is that.... real?

Not only it is real, but you are also either ignorant or terrible person if you think Rudi is a poorly written character:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhiteWolfR...ite/e9hlvya?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Why wouldn't it be real? A gay muslim vampire is supposed to be bad, because... ?
The only question I could image here is how he manages to put being a vampire under a hood with being a Muslim (being as ignorant about Islam as I am), but the thread you pointed out explains that pretty well to me.
Seriously, it's not like there are no homosexual Muslims, so depicting them in a game is not an issue.

Or is it that he's backing "progressive" norms? He's a gay Muslim, what do you expect him to do? Establish Sharia law?

 

[Life of the Party]

A Muslim leading a Crusade.

 

[Reinhardt]

He's a gay Muslim

He's a walking corpse.

 

[A_boring_GOG_bot]

But the best part of the demo was your landlord coward vampire.

This guy?


No, thats a court scene. The neet vampire is the guy with the 'fro.

My first thought when i saw this picture : " It's Harpo . "

 

[Roguey]

Seriously, it's not like there are no homosexual Muslims, so depicting them in a game is not an issue.

Or is it that he's backing "progressive" norms? He's a gay Muslim, what do you expect him to do? Establish Sharia law?

Gay black Muslim feminist is the ultimate checklist of character traits for any progressive.

 

[Prime Junta]

But the best part of the demo was your landlord coward vampire.

This guy?

reminds me of somebody, who could it be

 

[Lacrymas]

Why wouldn't it be real? A gay muslim vampire is supposed to be bad, because... ?
The only question I could image here is how he manages to put being a vampire under a hood with being a Muslim (being as ignorant about Islam as I am), but the thread you pointed out explains that pretty well to me.
Seriously, it's not like there are no homosexual Muslims, so depicting them in a game is not an issue.

Or is it that he's backing "progressive" norms? He's a gay Muslim, what do you expect him to do? Establish Sharia law?

He's a gay black Muslim feminist (who probably vapes and was vegan when he was human). It comes off as a parody of the clamor for diversity. Such people probably exist irl, but as with all cognitive dissonance-inducing states, it comes with either "creative interpretations" (to the point of hyperinterprations) or a lot of mental anguish. But that's besides the point, the context of his introduction is not the best one and it should've been obvious that people would either cringe or riot. Also, gay, black, Muslim and feminist aren't character traits, yet writers use these things as if they are. It's the worst part of identity politics, when labels become identity and reduce the complexities of human personality to a handful of qualifiers.