World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[FreeKaner]

if you had said fledgling this thread would turn into a larp

If you say so young neophyte.

when you're embraced by a tremere waifu but turns out fantadomat is strauss

Bald Bulgarian fits to the tremere regent stereotype

 

[Zombra]

I meant Brian. He seems to be the one answering the questions.

I can't find a Twitter account for him, does he have one?

 

[Nines_Anarch]

Has there been any statement yet on if Nines is romanceable?

As long as they don't ship me with Rudi, I'm ok with that.

 

[Lambach]

Something i felt lacking in Bloodlines was the absence of ancient vampires. Most of the vampires you meet are not very old while on Redemption you had a Cosmas who wore a roman armor.

A good rule of thumb is to avoid actively including ancient Vampires in your Chronicles. How are you supposed to accurately portray a character with 6 or more dots in Attributes like Intelligence, Charisma, Wits, Appearance, or characters with advanced non-Humanity Paths whose minds are utterly alien to mortals?

 

[Delterius]

if you had said fledgling this thread would turn into a larp

If you say so young neophyte.

when you're embraced by a tremere waifu but turns out fantadomat is strauss

Bald Bulgarian fits to the tremere regent stereotype

how do you know hes bald

are you bald fantadomat

 

[Lacrymas]

Although it is a mediocre game, Redemption still has some qualities and even if on average it is inferior to Bloodlines, somethings have been done better than in the sequel.
The character has a motivation, going from medieval times to the 90's was pretty cool and the Sabbat were handled much better.
Something i felt lacking in Bloodlines was the absence of ancient vampires. Most of the vampires you meet are not very old while on Redemption you had a Cosmas who wore a roman armor.

Redemption has a much better character-driven story, it's not driven by McGuffins like the sarcophagus, but it actually has characters who have personal reasons and motivations that clash with each other and create drama. It could've been better, like focusing more on the contrast between Ekaterina's wishes and Christoph's desire to search for Anezka, but eh. Anezka is also a pretty good character, who changes and endures for what she wants and has actual agency. Bloodlines is more of a museum tour, you hop from one character to the next and they barely interact, if ever.

 

[d1nolore]

Sexy Vampires 2004:

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Sexy Vampires 2020

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[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Jokes aside,why do hate it that much,you are shit at diabloesc games?

I do enjoy Diablo-esque games as a guilty pleasure, but Redemption was a lackluster game that while inoffensive and not a bad one also didn't really do a whole lot. I think much of this has to do with retrospection now, because you play Bloodlines and then you think to Redemption and you can only go, "Well that game sucked dick compared to this one." If there was no Bloodlines, maybe I'd see Redemption in a slightly better light but just barely.

 

[Abu Antar]

I meant Brian. He seems to be the one answering the questions.

I can't find a Twitter account for him, does he have one?

Mitsoda?
https://twitter.com/bmitsoda

 

[FreeKaner]

The dead should stay dead.

 

[Shadowfang]

Something i felt lacking in Bloodlines was the absence of ancient vampires. Most of the vampires you meet are not very old while on Redemption you had a Cosmas who wore a roman armor.

A good rule of thumb is to avoid actively including ancient Vampires in your Chronicles. How are you supposed to accurately portray a character with 6 or more dots in Attributes like Intelligence, Charisma, Wits, Appearance, or characters with advanced non-Humanity Paths whose minds are utterly alien to mortals?

Sounds cool. The Tzimisce in bloodlines felt very alien but i guess that could be to the fact that i was a Tzimisce and not because it was ancient.
I still think that the contrast between a vampire born in more ruthless ancient times way of thinking and a more civilized Vampire born in the 18th century could be really interesting.

 

[Zombra]

I meant Brian. He seems to be the one answering the questions.

I can't find a Twitter account for him, does he have one?

Mitsoda?
https://twitter.com/bmitsoda

Thanks. New tweet sent.

 

[Starwars]

The Bloodlines sewers ARE fucking terrible. It's a bad, bad level. There's no excuse for that shit. And made all the worse because of how lovely the game is before it. But even on their own, they are terrible.

It's still kind of a shame how the game turns out. It's been talked about a million times but Santa Monica, Downtown and Hollywood... all awesome (to varying degrees) but the game really turns to shit after that.

 

[d1nolore]

The Bloodlines sewers ARE fucking terrible. It's a bad, bad level. There's no excuse for that shit. And made all the worse because of how lovely the game is before it. But even on their own, they are terrible.

It's still kind of a shame how the game turns out. It's been talked about a million times but Santa Monica, Downtown and Hollywood... all awesome (to varying degrees) but the game really turns to shit after that.

But thats classic Troika: Front loaded epicness, waning ending as they rush to finish.

 

[Shadowfang]

Orma are you on a spree?
Its going to be a long year for you.

 

[fantadomat]

if you had said fledgling this thread would turn into a larp

If you say so young neophyte.

when you're embraced by a tremere waifu but turns out fantadomat is strauss

Black knight takes White queen on G6.

 

[Orma]

 

[fantadomat]

if you had said fledgling this thread would turn into a larp

If you say so young neophyte.

when you're embraced by a tremere waifu but turns out fantadomat is strauss

Bald Bulgarian fits to the tremere regent stereotype

how do you know hes bald

are you bald fantadomat

Yeah,got bald at 20ish,too much thinking and overheating kills the roots . Never really cared tho,i just shave it 0 number form time to time and get a nice beard . Friend do love to joke that i look like a revolutionary writer from time to time.


EDIT:Hahahaha no need to despair mate,it suits my build well and the chicks don't even care about,some even like it.

 

[Lacrymas]

prepare for -

- Ah, look what just walked in. I can't imagine you getting much of a rise out of Vesuvius, being what you are. Maybe I'll have more luck with you.
- Isn't this better? Just you and me, alone, for just a little while. Away from Jyhad and that nonsense, and the dangers. Just the two of us.

 

[Chainsaw Gutsfuck]

The Bloodlines sewers ARE fucking terrible. It's a bad, bad level. There's no excuse for that shit. And made all the worse because of how lovely the game is before it. But even on their own, they are terrible.

All of the combat sections in the game are just as bad tbh, the sewers just take longer to get over with.

 

[fantadomat]

Jokes aside,why do hate it that much,you are shit at diabloesc games?

I do enjoy Diablo-esque games as a guilty pleasure, but Redemption was a lackluster game that while inoffensive and not a bad one also didn't really do a whole lot. I think much of this has to do with retrospection now, because you play Bloodlines and then you think to Redemption and you can only go, "Well that game sucked dick compared to this one." If there was no Bloodlines, maybe I'd see Redemption in a slightly better light but just barely.

Honestly i believe that the writing is better in Redemption. Bloodlines is good but nothing memorable,it was very serviceable unless you play malkavian,while i do remember a few lines here and there from Redemption. Maybe you should replay it now,it could feel better.

 

[Trans-Financial-Man]

Jokes aside,why do hate it that much,you are shit at diabloesc games?

I do enjoy Diablo-esque games as a guilty pleasure, but Redemption was a lackluster game that while inoffensive and not a bad one also didn't really do a whole lot. I think much of this has to do with retrospection now, because you play Bloodlines and then you think to Redemption and you can only go, "Well that game sucked dick compared to this one." If there was no Bloodlines, maybe I'd see Redemption in a slightly better light but just barely.

Honestly i believe that the writing is better in Redemption. Bloodlines is good but nothing memorable,it was very serviceable unless you play malkavian,while i do remember a few lines here and there from Redemption. Maybe you should replay it now,it could feel better.

Redemption had pretty cool multiplayer that no one but me used. It was similar to NWN in that you could have a GM controlling stuff. There was also a mod that added playable Mages, Werewolves, etc. Makes me wish for something similar but modern.

 

[Lacrymas]

Redemption is just a better exercise in straightforward, I'd say classical, character building. You know why everyone is doing whatever it is they are doing and the plot is moved by that. Christoph is brave and inspires courage in others through example, that is why everyone follows him, he brings out the best in his coterie; but he isn't an unfeeling macho man, he genuinely falls for Anezka because they have chemistry and have spent time together, will do everything for each other and in the end actually DO that. It's one of the best love stories in gaming. Plenty can be said about Redemption's story and characters actually.

 

[Storyfag]

Yeah,got bald at 20ish,too much thinking and overheating kills the roots . Never really cared tho,i just shave it 0 number form time to time and get a nice beard . Friend do love joke that i look like a revolutionary writer from time to time.

More like:

Spoiler

 

[Storyfag]

Bloodlines is a good game because it is a good game. That it involves vampires/World of Darkness setting is kind of immaterial. What makes Bloodlines good is the writing, world design, level design, choice and consequence, and depth that make your experience different depending on the clan you select. The game could be about almost anything (obviously with changes in the script and actors and such) and still be good because of its core design.

Nah, Bloodlines is good because of the setting and what can be done in it.

You are both correct.

Bloodlines is a good game because it nailed the setting so well, with the writing, world design, level design, choice and consequence and depth.