World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[jackofshadows]

"no one was asking for" means "unpopular" obviously and "yet oddly it fits" kinda discard thinblood shmucks. So, I'd say... it's someone like Ash or Tommy Flayton (food critique). I'd prefer someone like Misti tho

 

[Wesp5]

It's one of those memes that have apparently been lost to time. Regardless, Caine's personality and motivations in Bloodlines outright contradict the description of Caine as given in the Gehenna book (not the novel, the one with multiple endgame scenarios). They provided players with multiple (admittedly lousy) "canon" endings, but Caine's personality is fixed.

So the Gehenna book contradicted the novel and both were supposed to be canon? What a mess ! So how is Caine's personality in the book? In the novel he said that he sometimes left his cave in spirit to look at his childer and this might be exactly what he did in Bloodlines.

 

[Wesp5]

The point is, that within the game, the taxi driver is Caine, because writer said that it's Caine.

Although I believe this myself, where did a writer actually say it? The internal links are unclear on purpose, like only the Malks recognize him and we all know that they are crazy. The sound folder being called Caine is not a statement of the writers, only another hint.

Deckard is replicant because the author said he is replicant and you can't change that.

Where and especially when did Scott say that? I always had the impression that Deckard was a human during filming and Ford confirmed he played him as one, and then afterwards Scott thought it might be cooler if he was a replicant and retconned it for the director's cut. Similar to that Vader wasn't Lukes father in A New Hope and Leia was not his sister in The Empire Strikes back, although Lucas latter claimed that he always planned it that way...

 

[Prime Junta]

Canon is dumb. Works need to be considered on their own merits.

 

[fantadomat]

"no one was asking for" means "unpopular" obviously and "yet oddly it fits" kinda discard thinblood shmucks. So, I'd say... it's someone like Ash or Tommy Flayton (food critique). I'd prefer someone like Misti tho

I do hope that it is the guy with the unicorn blood that i send to kill the president.....i made good dosh out of him.

 

[S.torch]

Canon is dumb.

No is not. That in this particular case canon doesn't make any sense doesn't mean that the concept of canon itself is unimportant.

 

[Prime Junta]

No is not.

Is too.

 

[Storyfag]

Codexian:
"That's not Caine! That's cannot huppan in my interpretation of lore! Writer is liar and wrong!"

White Wolf themselves said it was wrong, and they control the canon.

White Wolf themselves approved the horribu Gehenna novel, foreverafter denying themselves any say in what is canon and what isn't.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

No is not.

Is too.

Once a book is written, it is no longer the voice of the equidistant author to which you are exposed, but that of the personal narrator.

 

[Storyfag]

Why even bother writing in an established setting with established characters if you're not going to respect anything about it?

It's one of those memes that have apparently been lost to time. Regardless, Caine's personality and motivations in Bloodlines outright contradict the description of Caine as given in the Gehenna book (not the novel, the one with multiple endgame scenarios). They provided players with multiple (admittedly lousy) "canon" endings, but Caine's personality is fixed. Troika botched it.

Compare and contrast, for my amusement. As, for the moment, you are full of shit.

 

[jackofshadows]

I do hope that it is the guy with the unicorn blood that i send to kill the president.....i made good dosh out of him.

It would be great, indeed. But I'm afraid it'd be too wacky for a generally serious sjw tone

 

[fantadomat]

I do hope that it is the guy with the unicorn blood that i send to kill the president.....i made good dosh out of him.

It would be great, indeed. But I'm afraid it'd be too wacky for a generally serious sjw tone

Oh yeah,i know that the game will be progressive libtard garbage,not expecting anything good out of it. Tho the thread here will be pretty fun.....it already was .

 

[Fedora Master]

Canon is dumb. Works need to be considered on their own merits.

So it'll be a shit vampire game instead of a shit Bloodlines game. Is that better or worse?

 

[yes plz]

The returning character will be Romero. He'll ask for sex again and this time the only options will be:
1: No.
2: Hell no.
3: Fuck no.
4: *Kill him*

 

[Vincente]

I do hope that it is the guy with the unicorn blood that i send to kill the president.....i made good dosh out of him.

It would be great, indeed. But I'm afraid it'd be too wacky for a generally serious sjw tone

As if they make a character that you can send to kill Trump would not make people here rage.

 

[Teut Busnet]

The point is, that within the game, the taxi driver is Caine, because writer said that it's Caine.

Although I believe this myself, where did a writer actually say it? The internal links are unclear on purpose, like only the Malks recognize him and we all know that they are crazy. The sound folder being called Caine is not a statement of the writers, only another hint.

Deckard is replicant because the author said he is replicant and you can't change that.

Where and especially when did Scott say that? I always had the impression that Deckard was a human during filming and Ford confirmed he played him as one, and then afterwards Scott thought it might be cooler if he was a replicant and retconned it for the director's cut. Similar to that Vader wasn't Lukes father in A New Hope and Leia was not his sister in The Empire Strikes back, although Lucas latter claimed that he always planned it that way...

In the book, Phillip K Dick doesn't say anything about Deckard being a Replicant. There are no hints either way, IIRC.

I think you're correct about the movie. More info in this excellent re:view

 

[Modron]

The returning character will be Romero. He'll ask for sex again and this time the only options will be:
1: No.
2: Hell no.
3: Fuck no.
4: *Kill him*

Don't forget the option of reporting him for the masquerade violation of hitting on you.

 

[Fedora Master]

The returning character will be Romero. He'll ask for sex again and this time the only options will be:
1: No.
2: Hell no.
3: Fuck no.
4: *Kill him*

5. wHiP oUt yOur fEmaLe PeNis

 

[Semiurge]

The returning character will be Romero. He'll ask for sex again and this time the only options will be:
1: No.
2: Hell no.
3: Fuck no.
4: *Kill him*

5: Maybe. *Present him with your Sexual Consent Contract form*

 

[Roguey]

White Wolf themselves approved the horribu Gehenna novel, foreverafter denying themselves any say in what is canon and what isn't.

They approved Bloodlines as well.

Compare and contrast, for my amusement. As, for the moment, you are full of shit.

Wherein my memory appears to be somewhat shot but the point remains the same.

Official White Wolf canon was that Caine could already be dead or not even real, so cab driver cannot explicitly be Caine. Troika went with "active but unknown" but "delicately", it wasn't. He comes across as the deus ex machina they warned gms not to use.

 

[Storyfag]

Official WW recommendations leave it up to the individual GM, as evident by the scans you posted. Assigning any fault to Troika in this case is a fallacy, as they have picked one of the four options and ran with it. Within the context of Troika's Chronicle, known as Bloodlines, the cab driver explicitly *is* Caine, and it is supported by the tools provided by White Wolf to any GM.

Now, you claim that Troika wasn't delicate enough, contrary to White Wolfs warnings. How are Caine's actions unsubtle? What is it that he does by his own hand?

 

[Roguey]

Official WW recommendations leave it up to the individual GM, as evident by the scans you posted. Assigning any fault to Troika in this case is a fallacy, as they have picked one of the four options and ran with it. Within the context of Troika's Chronicle, known as Bloodlines, the cab driver explicitly *is* Caine, and it is supported by the tools provided by White Wolf to any GM.

Now, you claim that Troika wasn't delicate enough, contrary to White Wolfs warnings. How are Caine's actions unsubtle? What is it that he does by his own hand?

Leaking details of the sarcophagus: fine
Setting up a new vampire to manipulate: also fine
Cheating at the game by giving his pawn inflated stats over time: not fine

 

[hello friend]

He drove the cab. With his own hands.

 

[Fedora Master]

Codexers putting more thought into a game than the devs, again...

 

[DalekFlay]

In the book, Phillip K Dick doesn't say anything about Deckard being a Replicant. There are no hints either way, IIRC.

Ridley Scott is great at visuals but not too good at narrative. Deckard being a replicant ruins the whole point of the story, because it's about a human finding his humanity again thanks to not-humans. Anyway, Scott did say his intention was Deckard being a replicant but that you can take it however you want. The sequel doesn't say either way, and the director of that said it's up to the viewer.