World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Wesp5]

Ridley Scott is great at visuals but not too good at narrative. Deckard being a replicant ruins the whole point of the story, because it's about a human finding his humanity again thanks to not-humans.

I completely agree!

Anyway, Scott did say his intention was Deckard being a replicant but that you can take it however you want.

Again, it's important WHEN he said it. I know that George Lucas said different things at different times to fit the current state of his movies! There is even a book about this...

 

[Prime Junta]

^
All of which goes to show just how dumb canon is.

It’s much better to treat established settings like folklore, or history written by unreliable narrators — like history is. You get the best of both worlds: a rich vein of material to draw from, and the freedom to pursue your ideas wherever they take you.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

It’s much better to treat established settings like folklore, or history written by unreliable narrators — like history is. You get the best of both worlds: a rich version of material to draw from, and the freedom to pursue your ideas wherever they take you.

And that's why Games Workshop does it best with its Black Library publications for Warhammer 40k.

 

[Wesp5]

Cheating at the game by giving his pawn inflated stats over time: not fine

Caine could have done this to test his pawn's reaction to power without waiting for years. Or it's just done that way because this still is a video game after all !

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I bet it's Bertram Tung

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Wasn't this game originally supposed to have been released now? And they're still adding characters and making major changes to the story?
It was nowhere near release state

 

[Harthwain]

Wasn't this game originally supposed to have been released now? And they're still adding characters and making major changes to the story?
It was nowhere near release state

They moved the release date to the unspecified time in 2020. The official reason for the delay was quality polish (link to some specific quotes).

 

[Wunderbar]

Yeah, they were afraid to compete with a polish game.

 

[Harthwain]

That's my thinking as well. But I am sure they will make use of the extra time regardless.

 

[Wesp5]

I bet it's Bertram Tung

I doubt it. The Samuel guy in the demo pretty much had the role of Tung already...

 

[Harthwain]

rusty_shackleford Not sure why you think I am optimistic. Yes, they will use that time to fix bugs and such, but that doesn't really mean much. If anything, I am highly skeptical of how good it will be, considering the overall gameplay.

 

[Sarkile]

I bet it's Bertram Tung

I doubt it. The Samuel guy in the demo pretty much had the role of Tung already...

Aw man! I bet it's Knox!

 

[Belegarsson]

It's gonna be my man Chunk, bitches

 

[Prime Junta]

I bet it's the restaurant review guy.

 

[HansDampf]

It's Rosa.

 

[Storyfag]

You are all wrong. It's going to be Flynn.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

We all know who should make it in the sequel.

 

[Storyfag]

Official WW recommendations leave it up to the individual GM, as evident by the scans you posted. Assigning any fault to Troika in this case is a fallacy, as they have picked one of the four options and ran with it. Within the context of Troika's Chronicle, known as Bloodlines, the cab driver explicitly *is* Caine, and it is supported by the tools provided by White Wolf to any GM.

Now, you claim that Troika wasn't delicate enough, contrary to White Wolfs warnings. How are Caine's actions unsubtle? What is it that he does by his own hand?

Leaking details of the sarcophagus: fine
Setting up a new vampire to manipulate: also fine
Cheating at the game by giving his pawn inflated stats over time: not fine

That is entirelly up to personal preference.

Glad you no longer disagree it is Caine tho. Perfectly done in my opinion, less so in yours, but still 100% Caine.

 

[Roguey]

Cheating at the game by giving his pawn inflated stats over time: not fine

Caine could have done this to test his pawn's reaction to power without waiting for years. Or it's just done that way because this still is a video game after all !

Even with all your additional power, you're still just an errand runner for other people. The extra power you're given just comes with harder tasks.

Glad you no longer disagree it is Caine tho. Perfectly done in my opinion, less so in yours, but still 100% Caine.

It's not Caine according to White Wolf. I never disagreed with regard to Troika's intent.

 

[Wesp5]

It's not Caine according to White Wolf.

I would still like to have a concrete citation on that and not only "He is somehow described differently in the Gehenna book..."

 

[J1M]

It's not Caine according to White Wolf.

I would still like to have a concrete citation on that and not only "He is somehow described differently in the Gehenna book..."

Those curators have been bought out a couple of times over now. Anyone speaking with authority now could easily said to be making a retcon if it disagrees with the game or books.

 

[Roguey]

It's not Caine according to White Wolf.

I would still like to have a concrete citation on that and not only "He is somehow described differently in the Gehenna book..."

Ah, my memory wasn't so shot after all. I was thinking of the description of Caine from the Wormwood scenario.

I prefer "sullen Vampire God who doesn't do anything" to "Vampire God who continues to play fun, convoluted vampire games." Latter seems to me like something a Malkavian would do.

 

[Cael]

It's not Caine according to White Wolf.

I would still like to have a concrete citation on that and not only "He is somehow described differently in the Gehenna book..."

Ah, my memory wasn't so shot after all. I was thinking of the description of Caine from the Wormwood scenario.

I prefer "sullen Vampire God who doesn't do anything" to "Vampire God who continues to play fun, convoluted vampire games." Latter seems to me like something a Malkavian would do.

Wait... they actually killed off all vampires???

 

[Roguey]

Wait... they actually killed off all vampires???

This is from the Gehenna book that ended the Old WoD line before the ushered in the new World of Darkness. These scenarios aren't canon in v20 or v5 though (where Gehenna merely turned out to be cyclical purging of elder vampires).

 

[Storyfag]

"this chapter is the vision of Gehenna" meaning one of the possible versions.