World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[J1M]

I don't doubt that's why the title was created. It certainly sounds more prestigious to be a "senior" "designer" than a "dialog writer" for a game.

That's really what this is. Compensation in the form of a title because these people are low-paid fetch-quest writers who lack the technical skill to be level designers and the writing throughput to be principal writer.

I'm sure you've seen some co-workers that have two types of tasks running a similar shell game. When they have low writing throughput they have the excuse of "I was pasting my dialog into the level editor!" and when they can't do any scripting of consequence they have the excuse of "I don't have time to learn that, I have writing to do!"

 

[Wesp5]

They started calling them narrative designers instead of writers since narrative design is more than just writing dialogue and in-game lore.

I can understand that. A lot of scripts are triggered e.g. in the Bloodlined dialog files and the dialog jumps back and forward all the time! It would be good if the writer would not only write lines, but could also control this whole process.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't doubt that's why the title was created. It certainly sounds more prestigious to be a "senior" "designer" than a "dialog writer" for a game.

That's really what this is. Compensation in the form of a title because these people are low-paid fetch-quest writers who lack the technical skill to be level designers and the writing throughput to be principal writer.

I'm sure you've seen some co-workers that have two types of tasks running a similar shell game. When they have low writing throughput they have the excuse of "I was pasting my dialog into the level editor!" and when they can't do any scripting of consequence they have the excuse of "I don't have time to learn that, I have writing to work on!"

narrative designers are in charge of making sure the game has a coherent narrative
it's essentially another one of those bullshit managerial positions that is a good sign that your company has too many employees

 

[Nano]

Mitsoda and Sheldon Pacotti were pure narrative designers on Bloodlines and DX, except they came from a time where the title didn't exist yet. Are you saying these games were worse for having those two work on them?

 

[J1M]

Mitsoda and Sheldon Pacotti were pure narrative designers on Bloodlines and DX, except they came from a time where the title didn't exist yet. Are you saying these games were worse for having those two work on them?

No, I'm merely pointing out that if you have 3+ people working for 4+ years on writing quests for your AA RPG and they aren't done yet, their productivity was very low.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Mitsoda and Sheldon Pacotti were pure narrative designers on Bloodlines and DX, except they came from a time where the title didn't exist yet. Are you saying these games were worse for having those two work on them?

No, I'm merely pointing out that if you have 3+ people working for 4+ years on writing quests for your AA RPG and they aren't done yet, their productivity was very low.

management meddling could just as easily be responsible for that due to changing visions for the story

 

[thesheeep]

Mitsoda and Sheldon Pacotti were pure narrative designers on Bloodlines and DX, except they came from a time where the title didn't exist yet. Are you saying these games were worse for having those two work on them?

No, I'm merely pointing out that if you have 3+ people working for 4+ years on writing quests for your AA RPG and they aren't done yet, their productivity was very low.

management meddling could just as easily be responsible for that due to changing visions for the story

Indeed.
Writers having to re-write anything from small parts to... well, everything... due to no fault of their own is not unusual.

It also depends on how the team works.
Some go story-first and then try and design the game around that (IMO this happens more rarely, but it does happen).
Others design other elements of the game first (can be anything from core systems to unspecific level ideas) and then the writers have to work with that.
I think the approaches here are as varied as how bands come up with lyrics to their songs.

In any case, game development is highly iterative. Almost nothing that was ever "finished" stays that way for very long, the earlier it was "finished" the more likely it is to change.
Until the release button is pressed.

 

[Storyfag]

Mitsoda and Sheldon Pacotti were pure narrative designers on Bloodlines and DX, except they came from a time where the title didn't exist yet. Are you saying these games were worse for having those two work on them?

No, I'm merely pointing out that if you have 3+ people working for 4+ years on writing quests for your AA RPG and they aren't done yet, their productivity was very low.

management meddling could just as easily be responsible for that due to changing visions for the story

Indeed.
Writers having to re-write anything from small parts to... well, everything... due to no fault of their own is not unusual.

The writers that have pronouns on their twatter? Probably it IS fault of their own.

 

[Fenix]

not marxist - fascist

Because Hitler and Mussolini were all about the rights of women, non-whites, trannies, fags, pedophiles, atheists and all the other scum, and apparently bashing the fash in Copenhagen.

Sure.

It's not me that is confusing words, it's you. Gramsci is the one that came up with the idea of cultural hegemony as a necessity for the continued existence of a (Cultural) Marxist world-order.

It's not about that dumbass, but about nature of movement, approach. Your mind is so strangled you can't get out of the framework of imposed discourse.
Rigths lol - this all piss and shit. Eternally in th prison of calculations which rigths are and colour of the butt of new fascists.

 

[Fenix]

Looking at thi s pic I realized I want to play as Gayver from classic anime. Yeah...

 

[Caim]

Looking at thi s pic I realized I want to play as Gayver from classic anime. Yeah...

If you want to play as a Guyver you'll have to pick up Deviant: The Renegades. Hunter: The Vigil is for when you want to play the cast of It's Always Sunny who implant totally not Donald Trump with bits harvested from monsters to give him a massive erection, or if you want to play as a support group attended by vampires and Raoul Duke:

 

[Sarkile]

Looking at thi s pic I realized I want to play as Gayver from classic anime. Yeah...

If you want to play as a Guyver you'll have to pick up Deviant: The Renegades. Hunter: The Vigil is for when you want to play the cast of It's Always Sunny who implant totally not Donald Trump with bits harvested from monsters to give him a massive erection, or if you want to play as a support group attended by vampires and Raoul Duke:

CthuluTech has a direct analogue to The Guyver, IIRC.

 

[Fenix]

nah, I want real Gayver - with prodaction value of DXMD for example...

 

[Don Peste]

Leaked screenshots from an unreleased trailer:

sauce

 

[Lacrymas]

From the top rated Steam review: While the story is coherently written, it reads like a short young adult novel directed at rebellious preteen girls.

Have you ever met Werewolf fans?

I know Lacrymas if that counts.

No? A friend of mine is a fan. Who coincidentally writes furry erotica for money.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

From the top rated Steam review: While the story is coherently written, it reads like a short young adult novel directed at rebellious preteen girls.

Have you ever met Werewolf fans?

I know Lacrymas if that counts.

No? A friend of mine is a fan. Who coincidentally write furry erotica for money.

I rest my case, esteemed 'dexian court.

 

[ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB]

sauce

Looks like absolutely awful cringe.

I'd love to play it.

 

[fantadomat]

sauce

Looks like absolutely awful cringe.

I'd love to play it.

It looks better than what we will get when this vapourware is shat out.

 

[ChildInTime]

sauce

Looks like absolutely awful cringe.

I'd love to play it.

Looks exactly like the old VtM rulebooks. So closer to the source than that abortion we call Bloodlines 2.

 

[agris]

lol at the rose, this fucking genre...

 

[Storyfag]

More like: lol at the amount of light in that pic.

 

[Justicar]

sauce

Looks like absolutely awful cringe.

I'd love to play it.

Looks exactly like the old VtM rulebooks. So closer to the source than that abortion we call Bloodlines 2.

 

[Spacer's Nugget]

Anita Sarkeesian as a literal blood-sucking bad bitch.

 

[Ismaul]

More like: lol at the amount of light in that pic.

sunglasses protec

 

[Anthedon]

Still cares about you a lot more than anyone else and at least he isn't using you for his own political agenda like... everyone else.

you should trust Beckett.

It's true.