World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Tacgnol]

That would be pretty shitty. Paradox has said that they believe that this new version would be something fans would be happy with and if they throw out the final thread to the original, I am pretty sure Paradox has just made an even bigger uphill battle to convince people this is a Bloodlines "2".

Meh, doubt that it would've made much of a difference. VtMB was a product of its times and no sequel will be able to recapture that feel (and in the case of the OST in particular, I recall the guy saying during an interview that the music he composed was heavily influenced by the dark place that he was in at the time).

Yes, Rik had just been released from jail over some drug/substance abuse stuff iirc. He was going through a real rough patch when he got the composer job for Bloodlines.

Probably why it's such an atmospheric dark and melancholic soundtrack.

 

[BruceVC]

Goddamn I thought something had happened to push BL2 forward!

Spoiler

This game going to be great, I hope it gets finally released

 

[Roguey]

That would be pretty shitty. Paradox has said that they believe that this new version would be something fans would be happy with and if they throw out the final thread to the original, I am pretty sure Paradox has just made an even bigger uphill battle to convince people this is a Bloodlines "2".

Is "More Music From The Vault" actually all of the BL2 work he did? He said did about an hour of original work for BL2 and I don't think the new BL2 theme is in there. The BL2 soundtrack was set for release in November of 2020, IIRC.

While unfortunate to lose him, it's entirely possible TCR thought his music would be inappropriate for the specific game they're making. They also have their own composer they're terribly fond of (Dan Pinchbeck's wife ).

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Project names

I don't think that's the GAME project, but merely a project for wwise studio. It's likely for a single character.

 

[Roguey]

Project names

I don't think that's the GAME project, but merely a project for wwise studio. It's likely for a single character.

I'm admittedly unfamiliar with this software but the full list of events are "Default Work Unit, Ambience, Character, Combat, Cutscenes, Dialogue, Music, Physics, States" and at that point it's cut off.

 

[Pink Eye]

Project names

I don't think that's the GAME project, but merely a project for wwise studio. It's likely for a single character.

I'm admittedly unfamiliar with this software but the full list of events are "Default Work Unit, Ambience, Character, Combat, Cutscenes, Dialogue, Music, Physics, States" and at that point it's cut off.

And how does that have to do with Bloodlines? Dude. You're reaching. This project is dead. Move on with your life.

 

[Roguey]

And how does that have to do with Bloodlines? Dude. You're reaching. This project is dead. Move on with your life.

I've already been over this in the thread. This is more hinting. There can be no actual reveal until Paradox says so and that's not going to happen until they're locked into a definite release window. I have read that in the official World of Darkness discord, any message with "The Chinese Room" gets auto-filtered whereas "CD Projekt" and "Harebrained Schemes" are not, which is a rather funny and counter-productive way of trying to keep something a secret.

 

[Pink Eye]

I've already been over this in the thread.

What makes you think I've been reading or following this thread?

This is more hinting.

Looks like reaching to me.

I have read that in the official World of Darkness discord, any message with "The Chinese Room" gets auto-filtered whereas "CD Projekt" and "Harebrained Schemes" are not, which is a rather funny and counter-productive way of trying to keep something a secret.

What if this whole thing is a nothing burger. Gotta be skeptical about these types of things. Especially when it surrounds a project that lost its stars. Had a couple of controversies. Then a publisher that goes silent for years about it. Even if this is coming out in the future; what makes you think it'll resemble a cohesive product that'll be fun to play.

 

[Roguey]

What makes you think I've been reading or following this thread?

Then why are you here?

Even if this is coming out in the future; what makes you think it'll resemble a cohesive product that'll be fun to play.

I'm expecting a funny disappointment, which is why I'm following it. I was never enthused about this, nor would I ever be.

 

[Pink Eye]

Then why are you here?

I don't see any signs outside telling me not to be here. I go whatever I wanna. Imma free independent MAN.

 

[Vincente]

Unless "Wrestler" means we'll be getting something like this:

Spoiler

You mean something like this?

 

[Jenkem]

This will be the game that finally exposes the codex.

 

[Cricket McBangle]

That would be pretty shitty. Paradox has said that they believe that this new version would be something fans would be happy with and if they throw out the final thread to the original, I am pretty sure Paradox has just made an even bigger uphill battle to convince people this is a Bloodlines "2".

Is "More Music From The Vault" actually all of the BL2 work he did? He said did about an hour of original work for BL2 and I don't think the new BL2 theme is in there. The BL2 soundtrack was set for release in November of 2020, IIRC.

While unfortunate to lose him, it's entirely possible TCR thought his music would be inappropriate for the specific game they're making. They also have their own composer they're terribly fond of (Dan Pinchbeck's wife ).

At least she’s pretty good, I’m just baffled that Paradox would be fine with cutting the last person that made Bloodlines Bloodlines even though they publicly cut Mitsoda, whose vision for Bloodlines 2 clashed with what Paradox were hoping for, apparently

 

[Harthwain]

I'm expecting a funny disappointment, which is why I'm following it. I was never enthused about this, nor would I ever be.

There is no disappointment to be had here anymore - nobody really expects much from this.

 

[vortex]

I would like this to be a proper horror RPG game. The name urban simply doesn't strike me as such. Urban can mean something mundane. VTMB2 should do something more to create thrilling horror experience.

 

[Roguey]

I'm expecting a funny disappointment, which is why I'm following it. I was never enthused about this, nor would I ever be.

There is no disappointment to be had here anymore - nobody really expects much from this.

If someone expects something to be disappointing it's still disappointing.

 

[Cricket McBangle]

Here's something from Dusk Golem (from a ResetEra thread lol) that doesn't really say much but IDK kinda sayS something:

"I have so much I want to say, but shouldn't. I don't really think things not working was Hardsuit's or Paradox's fault for the record, they just had VERY different visions of what was important to focus on for the game (and I'll just say I tend to agree with one side more than the other as a fan of the first game)"

 

[Zombra]

I would like this to be a proper horror RPG game. The name urban simply doesn't strike me as such. Urban can mean something mundane. VTMB2 should do something more to create thrilling horror experience.

Interesting take. The original Bloodlines certainly had plenty of horror elements, and even pure horror levels like Ocean House and the Tsimizce human leather lair. Horror wasn't the central theme though in my opinion. I'd certainly love a great horror RPG but I don't think Bloodlines 2 should be the name on it.

 

[Wesp5]

Here's something from Dusk Golem (from a ResetEra thread lol) that doesn't really say much but IDK kinda sayS something:

"I have so much I want to say, but shouldn't. I don't really think things not working was Hardsuit's or Paradox's fault for the record, they just had VERY different visions of what was important to focus on for the game (and I'll just say I tend to agree with one side more than the other as a fan of the first game)"

This is very similar to what the German producer told me: The game HSL originally pitched to Paradox and which they started to create was not the game that Paradox wanted years later. Why that was the case is anyone's guess though...

 

[Zeriel]

Is it me or the body proportions are a bit off with a too big head and neck for how think he otherwise is?

Gypsies are malformed.

(In all seriousness I wish we got a game where you could play Ravnos.)

 

[Fedora Master]

Paradox and HSL deserved each other.

 

[0wca]

Goddamn I thought something had happened to push BL2 forward!

Spoiler

This game going to be great, I hope it gets finally released

 

[Semiurge]

Here's something from Dusk Golem (from a ResetEra thread lol) that doesn't really say much but IDK kinda sayS something:

"I have so much I want to say, but shouldn't. I don't really think things not working was Hardsuit's or Paradox's fault for the record, they just had VERY different visions of what was important to focus on for the game (and I'll just say I tend to agree with one side more than the other as a fan of the first game)"

This is very similar to what the German producer told me: The game HSL originally pitched to Paradox and which they started to create was not the game that Paradox wanted years later. Why that was the case is anyone's guess though...

Paradox's politics are confirmed woke, aren't they? So perhaps the game pitched was not woke enough in the end, when they decided it needed to be more woke with the most current themes, BLM and whatnot. Mitsoda going soft infuriatingly complicates the interpretations a bit, makes things less black & white...

 

[Roguey]

Paradox's politics are confirmed woke, aren't they? So perhaps the game pitched was not woke enough in the end, when they decided it needed to be more woke with the most current themes, BLM and whatnot. Mitsoda going soft infuriatingly complicates the interpretations a bit, makes things less black & white...

A game getting cancelled after 5 years of development (and over 20 million dollars, given what they wrote off at the end of 2021) would have nothing to do with the writing. It was unfixable (as determined by the Ubisoft Finisher they hired) gameplay and functionality.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Paradox's politics are confirmed woke, aren't they? So perhaps the game pitched was not woke enough in the end, when they decided it needed to be more woke with the most current themes, BLM and whatnot. Mitsoda going soft infuriatingly complicates the interpretations a bit, makes things less black & white...

A game getting cancelled after 5 years of development (and over 20 million dollars, given what they wrote off at the end of 2021) would have nothing to do with the writing. It was unfixable (as determined by the Ubisoft Finisher they hired) gameplay and functionality.

didn't we end up finding out they were funneling those resources to a completely separate game?