Grand Strategy Victoria 3

[Fedora Master]

No Fun Allowed with anything except Great Powers.

 

[Axioms]

So the V3 user numbers for may are going to be ~1000 less than February, erasing patch gains and then dropping even more than that. Currently some of the mid higher April data hasn't fallen off yet from the "last 30 days" data. Brutal.

 

[Hace El Oso]

How do the player numbers for Victoria 3 compare with their other titles, especially at similar points in their lifespan?

 

[Axioms]

How do the player numbers for Victoria 3 compare with their other titles, especially at similar points in their lifespan?

Lowest ones except for Imperator. Vicky3 is slowly closing in on CK2's current numbers.

 

[IDtenT]

Let's see what the expansion bump gives.

 

[Axioms]

Let's see what the expansion bump gives.

If the expansion bump is 2x the patch bump, that would be impressive. If it is equal or less that will be the danger sign. Sadly you essentially have to analyze a minimum of three months really. The month the game releases, assuming it is more of the middle so you still get a good couple weeks before and then 2 months after. So with a May 22 release that is good positioning but we'll need to see the July numbers before we can make any meaningful call.

 

[Luka-boy]

You know, normally I'm of the 'behead all numberfags' mindset. But the consensus seems to be that discussing its player numbers is actually more fun than playing the game.

It's equal parts depressing and hilarious to me just how much Paradox missed the mark here, considering it's not even the first game in its series like Imperator was.

 

[Seigneur Locklear]

it's not even the first game in its series like Imperator was.

It technically is the first game of its series, but it actually took and built upon (read:defecated) a lot of concepts and mechanics from Europa Universalis: Rome

 

[Average Manatee]

I'd absolutely say that Imperator is the 2nd game in the series after EU: Rome. They simply rebranded it for marketing reasons. If you take EU:Rome, add mana and increase the province count by 20x you've basically got Imperator on launch. Which is basically the same change we saw between EU3 and EU4.

 

[Axioms]

I'd absolutely say that Imperator is the 2nd game in the series after EU: Rome. They simply rebranded it for marketing reasons. If you take EU:Rome, add mana and increase the province count by 20x you've basically got Imperator on launch. Which is basically the same change we saw between EU3 and EU4.

Johan literally says they built Imperator by taking EU: Rome and adding stuff on. Which makes sense since much of the gameplay like trade and religion and civilization level and stuff is identical.

 

[Fedora Master]

Remember when Johann pondered leaving the industry? We're not that lucky.

 

[Luka-boy]

I completely forgot about EU: Rome.

I stand corrected.

 

[Axioms]

Remember when Johann pondered leaving the industry? We're not that lucky.

Well they can't blame Johan for V3 and CK3, no matter how much he sucks.

 

[Malakal]

Well Imperator is quite good these days and plays differently from EU and CK, as a mix really.

 

[thesecret1]

Johan literally says they built Imperator by taking EU: Rome and adding stuff on. Which makes sense since much of the gameplay like trade and religion and civilization level and stuff is identical.

Well, EU: Rome fucking bombed back in the day, so I guess it's a faithful sequel, at least. Can't say the same about V3.

 

[Axioms]

Johan literally says they built Imperator by taking EU: Rome and adding stuff on. Which makes sense since much of the gameplay like trade and religion and civilization level and stuff is identical.

Well, EU: Rome fucking bombed back in the day, so I guess it's a faithful sequel, at least. Can't say the same about V3.

Both Vicky3 and CK3 were made by a much different lead team than V2 and CK2, whereas EU4 and Imperator were made by the same guy as EU3 and EU:R. That's the same reason the Paradox Majesty sequel was shit. Not made by the old devs and didn't know what was good.

 

[Axioms]

It is my impression if I'm reading the chart right that not only has Vicky3 dropped below 8000 for the peak for May but once more of the April stuff drops off the monthly peak will actually be below 7000, which is below the February trough of ~8700 by almost 2000. Of course the DLC drops in a weak so that will kick the number way back up.

 

[Fedora Master]

The entire game is basically just "Wood, Iron, Tools" on repeat unless you're part of the British market.

 

[Malakal]

The entire game is basically just "Wood, Iron, Tools" on repeat unless you're part of the British market.

Really? Thats weird and dumb then, at least in Vic2 you wanted iron, sulphur and coal to have an industry...

 

[Fedora Master]

The entire game is basically just "Wood, Iron, Tools" on repeat unless you're part of the British market.

Really? Thats weird and dumb then, at least in Vic2 you wanted iron, sulphur and coal to have an industry...

If you are in your own small market perhaps but if you're part of a wider market you can get by with just providing basic tools because the demand is practically unfulfillable.

 

[IDtenT]

Tools are useful.

 

[Fedora Master]

For some reason the launcher picks up Stellaris mods... In Vic3.

 

[whydoibother]

The entire game is basically just "Wood, Iron, Tools" on repeat unless you're part of the British market.

Really? Thats weird and dumb then, at least in Vic2 you wanted iron, sulphur and coal to have an industry...

Its slightly more complex.
1. GDP is your construction capacity. The more you can build, the more GDP. Sometimes you run out of workers, but that's rare and it can be fixed with immigration or conquest.
2. Rich people build their own shit. Aristocrats mostly own agricultural stuff, and they build agricultural stuff, which gives them more political power, which prevents reform. You want to build more capitalist owned buildings, so that the capitalists can gain more power and money, and build more capitalist buildings themselves, and gain more political power, and make reforms possible.

So the vert short list of protips is:
1. Import agricultural goods (to avoid building aristocrat buildings and keep their price down), produce and export manufactured goods (to build more capitalist clout, and keep the price up).
2. Keep all construction goods cheap if possible, so you can build more capitalist buildings, so capitalists will be more powerful, and build more.
3. Keep all government goods cheap if possible (like paper, coal, guns, etc), so you can have more money left for building more capitalist buildings, so capitalists will be more powerful, and build more.

That's when I last played, but I think we are still on the same patch. My Thailand united all of South-East Asia and fought a mutually destructive war against the USA, before I got bored and quit after I eventually Balkanized USA through conquest and revolts.

 

[Raghar]

Tools are useful.

When I used a Chinese tester for testing electricity, Chinese tester ended with charred tip, and I with electric shock and partially damaged blood cells. Luckily it recovered in few weeks so I avoided visiting doctor.

There are tools, and there are tools that can internally corrode in storage, and that resistor, that originally made it safe to use, became too much conductive.

I definitely don't want to import or use tools made in Indonesia in that era.

 

[IDtenT]

Yeah quality is completely ignored in game, it is all about maximising output.

There will definitely have to be a goods / natural resource / spice quality trade DLC at some point.

The whole trade thing in general needs an overhaul though. Price caps shouldn't exist. Stockpiles need to exist.